Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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Wow! What a just god you have. He punishes sin twice over. And I thought you said Jesus' atonement was vicarious and efficacious. 
If that were true, every translation would agree with each other. In every language, words have different meanings than that of another language. 66 holy men as moved by the Holy Spirit gave us the holy scriptures. Translators are not necessarily holy men and are not inspired by the Spirit. Thus the command from the Lord for us to "Study to show ourselves approved, rightly dividing the word of truth."
In my opinion...
PaulThomson said:
I say, "Every part of a translation that accurately conveys what God understood the original text to be saying, is the word of God. Anything in a translation that does not accurately convey what God had in mind when He guided the original scribe, is not the word of God."
No, that does not follow from what I said.
One Psalm says, "Out of the mouth of babes you have ordained praise." Jesus reanslates that as "Out of the mouth of babes you have ordained strength." God had both "in mind" when the psalm was inspired: that the praise of infants would be used to strengthen Messiah's resolve. Therefore both the psalm and Jesus paraphrase of the psalm are the word of God. We do need to study the original language text to sift out poor from good translations of verses.
I say, "Every part of a translation that accurately conveys what God understood the original text to be saying, is the word of God. Anything in a translation that does not accurately convey what God had in mind when He guided the original scribe, is not the word of God."
No, that does not follow from what I said.
One Psalm says, "Out of the mouth of babes you have ordained praise." Jesus reanslates that as "Out of the mouth of babes you have ordained strength." God had both "in mind" when the psalm was inspired: that the praise of infants would be used to strengthen Messiah's resolve. Therefore both the psalm and Jesus paraphrase of the psalm are the word of God. We do need to study the original language text to sift out poor from good translations of verses.
With the translator in mind, 1 Cor 8:2, "And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know."
Jesus paid for everyone's sins on the Cross.
What did that accomplish for mankind?
In effect, all men are now saved from their condemnation which was simply due to being born with sin.
That reality, then frees men up to believe in Jesus Christ.
For if our sins were not paid for?
We would all have had to be forsaken without Jesus taking that penalty out of the way.
Jesus was forsaken in our stead.
If Not?
No one could even approach God to believe onto salvation.
With the sin of mankind issue taken out of the way?
The real reason for God saving us is opened up.
Which is?
What think ye of Christ?
Our salvation becomes just like what the angels were confronted with.
They had to choose between the Lord, or Satan.
We now need to choose either for the Lord, or the world system of Satan.
What did that accomplish for mankind?
In effect, all men are now saved from their condemnation which was simply due to being born with sin.
That reality, then frees men up to believe in Jesus Christ.
For if our sins were not paid for?
We would all have had to be forsaken without Jesus taking that penalty out of the way.
Jesus was forsaken in our stead.
If Not?
No one could even approach God to believe onto salvation.
With the sin of mankind issue taken out of the way?
The real reason for God saving us is opened up.
Which is?
What think ye of Christ?
Our salvation becomes just like what the angels were confronted with.
They had to choose between the Lord, or Satan.
We now need to choose either for the Lord, or the world system of Satan.