Did Jesus die to take the punishment for everyone's sins?

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Did Jesus die to take the punishment for everyone's sins?
 

John146

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Did Jesus die to take the punishment for everyone's sins?
And whole world means just that, not the “whole world of the elect.”

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
 

azamzimtoti

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Depends on which scripture you use.

(John 1:29 The next day he *saw Jesus coming to him and *said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! )
 

Journeyman

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Jesus was punished by people who hated God. All God's children suffer at the hands of people who hate him the Lord. Jesus is the greatest example of this.
 

NOV25

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The cross is a completed act of redemption, it is finished, transaction complete.

If you claim Jesus died for everyone, then he has redeemed all. Everyone goes to heaven, YAY 🙌

If you claim Jesus died to pay a price for those who might believe, you say he redeemed none that day, he merely gave man the opportunity to be redeemed. Awe ☹️

Sorry folks, neither of these are true.

He died for the elect, those promised by the Father before the beginning of time. If you are a believer you are among the elect, promised out of love from the Father to the Son, molded in his image to mirror the perfection of the Son, as a form of honoring the Son. It's not about us, it's about the Father and the Son, we're merely a gift. Yes, we Christians reap the benefits but in no way is all of this centered around us. It's about the Son, our Lord Jesus. The Father picked the bride and the Son paid, it's finished...
 

Dave-L

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Did Jesus die to take the punishment for everyone's sins?
Whole world = Jews and Gentiles, not each person. Salvation was only of the Jews and Jewish converts until Christ arrived.
 

Adstar

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Did Jesus die to take the punishment for everyone's sins?
Potentially yes.. But in the end No..

If everyone believed Jesus and trusted that His death took the punishment for their sins then yeah all people would be saved..

But the clear fact is many people disbelieve Jesus and think the Atonement of Jesus is stupid or evil..

So that means the Death of Jesus only takes the punishment for those people who believe Him and trust that His death pays for their sins..
 

Lightskin

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And whole world means just that, not the “whole world of the elect.”

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
How does someone disagree with the Scripture you shared? Simply amazing!
 

Lightskin

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The cross is a completed act of redemption, it is finished, transaction complete.

If you claim Jesus died for everyone, then he has redeemed all. Everyone goes to heaven, YAY 🙌

If you claim Jesus died to pay a price for those who might believe, you say he redeemed none that day, he merely gave man the opportunity to be redeemed. Awe ☹️

Sorry folks, neither of these are true.

He died for the elect, those promised by the Father before the beginning of time. If you are a believer you are among the elect, promised out of love from the Father to the Son, molded in his image to mirror the perfection of the Son, as a form of honoring the Son. It's not about us, it's about the Father and the Son, we're merely a gift. Yes, we Christians reap the benefits but in no way is all of this centered around us. It's about the Son, our Lord Jesus. The Father picked the bride and the Son paid, it's finished...
It sure would suck if you weren’t one of the elect. On another note, Jesus clearly states there is only one unforgivable sin - blasphemy.

Jesus died for all the sins of the world but if you don’t believe in Him then you are guilty of blasphemy, hence why non-believers are condemned.
 

Lightskin

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If everyone believed Jesus and trusted that His death took the punishment for their sins then yeah all people would be saved.
The fact that some people are so arrogant as to openly disagree with your post is astonishing. If a person believes in Jesus Christ they have salvation. What you share is the heart of the Gospel, and yet some people disagree with you.
 

Adstar

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The fact that some people are so arrogant as to openly disagree with your post is astonishing. If a person believes in Jesus Christ they have salvation. What you share is the heart of the Gospel, and yet some people disagree with you.
Yes it is very saddening.. Especially i this situation when my reply was in the case of someone asking a question about the most important issue a person could be asking about, Salvation.. Thank you for standing up and making your thoughts clear Lightskin. (y)
 

Lightskin

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How many times are you going to ask the same questions? I believe you have already been given the answer.
Why do you have an aggressive approach with this individual?
 
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Our Lord Jesus Christ died on the Cross for our sins. He bore our sins that we may bare His Righteousness. He was made a curse and His body was broken that we may be blessed by remembering what His Blood has done. He became poor, that through His poverty we might be rich. He bore our griefs and carried our sorrows (infirmities, sickness, and diseases); and with His stripes we are healed. He Blotted out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, He made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. He was raised from the dead without our sins, and we have been raised in Him. And today, by faith we sit with our Lord our God, Jesus Christ, at His Right Hand resting in His victory (what He did) at Calvary Cross, far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come.
 

NOV25

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It sure would suck if you weren’t one of the elect. On another note, Jesus clearly states there is only one unforgivable sin - blasphemy.

Jesus died for all the sins of the world but if you don’t believe in Him then you are guilty of blasphemy, hence why non-believers are condemned.
Yes, very unpleasant to be among those predestined for wrath.