Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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If I may, I am not sure of his answer.
But to me
The law of moses is a ministration of death, bey every word, or be cursed, the curse of the law is death
The law of the kingdom is to love others as God has loved you. To take the wisdom of the world (love of self) and and crucify that, and walk in the spirit, serving, loving God and everyone else. Living the fruit of the spirit. By which against their is no law (because no law is needed)
But to me
The law of moses is a ministration of death, bey every word, or be cursed, the curse of the law is death
The law of the kingdom is to love others as God has loved you. To take the wisdom of the world (love of self) and and crucify that, and walk in the spirit, serving, loving God and everyone else. Living the fruit of the spirit. By which against their is no law (because no law is needed)
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Here is the difference BEFORE Jesus came in the flesh, the Law of Moses was "break one, you break them all and death was the penalty for sin" NO ONE COULD DO IT.
AFTER Jesus = You break a law, you have "broken the law" but you have NOT broken ALL THE LAWS. And now, even breaking that law, there is no death penalty, the blood of Jesus will wash you clean as soon as you repent. That is why HIS YOKE is easy. THERE is love and forgiveness at the top of the page. God wants us to love HIM. To try to do it HIS WAY BECAUSE WE LOVE HIM, not to keep death at bay. That is why the law is good. It helps us walk a more perfect life, with no penalty for being "human" at times.
Lets just say that you died while in the commission of a sin. You may be guilty of that sin, but you are not judged to death. It may be written in the book because you did not repent, but you are not judged to death like under the old law. That is the freedom from "the law of sin and death", the law that Jesus GOT RID OF. The law that does not apply to us.
Here is the difference BEFORE Jesus came in the flesh, the Law of Moses was "break one, you break them all and death was the penalty for sin" NO ONE COULD DO IT.
AFTER Jesus = You break a law, you have "broken the law" but you have NOT broken ALL THE LAWS. And now, even breaking that law, there is no death penalty, the blood of Jesus will wash you clean as soon as you repent. That is why HIS YOKE is easy. THERE is love and forgiveness at the top of the page. God wants us to love HIM. To try to do it HIS WAY BECAUSE WE LOVE HIM, not to keep death at bay. That is why the law is good. It helps us walk a more perfect life, with no penalty for being "human" at times.
Lets just say that you died while in the commission of a sin. You may be guilty of that sin, but you are not judged to death. It may be written in the book because you did not repent, but you are not judged to death like under the old law. That is the freedom from "the law of sin and death", the law that Jesus GOT RID OF. The law that does not apply to us.
The reason we spend hours and hours of our time to set free our brothers and sister in Christ. We hate to see them in bondage to something that can't bind. To be freed from the fear of the law. A law that leads us to God, easily, set free, because the law is good for our souls and spirit and our walk and carries no penalty of death (as long as you don't mock God) and makes you more like Christ because those are the rules He also plays by. It makes you understand what was done for us. You can love that glorious law because it will NEVER will lead you astray of God. It will direct your feet. It will give you "adda boys". It assures you your path is the right path. It is full of love from God, so much does God want us to follow it He sent His son to die, so we could be forgiven in it.
And I now do this disclaimer so that anyone who is reading this will not think that I believe that God did not give us the Gift of Salvation something I can not buy or work for)
And I now do this disclaimer so that anyone who is reading this will not think that I believe that God did not give us the Gift of Salvation something I can not buy or work for)
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Hi, Eli, thanks for your input. Law-keepers in this forum want us (non Law-keepers) to keep the law of Moses. How can we keep it if we don't have a list of effective ordinances? They claim that some laws apply to Christians and others don't and I just want them to provide us with a list of Mitzvot that we are supposed to keep.
Dear Marcelo,
As long as a man follows another man, it is as the blind leading the blind." Religions are all mens rules on how to beleive, behave, shun, accept. This is exactly what Jesus liberated us from. If you request a list then you once again put yourself under a mans rules rather than Gods Holy Spirit.
As long as a man follows another man, it is as the blind leading the blind." Religions are all mens rules on how to beleive, behave, shun, accept. This is exactly what Jesus liberated us from. If you request a list then you once again put yourself under a mans rules rather than Gods Holy Spirit.
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....That's not what the passage in question says.
You're letting King James language fool you into thinking the text says something it isn't saying. That passage is simply saying there is no law against the fruits of the Spirit like there ARE laws against works in the flesh (i.e. sins). The passage isn't saying, "against the fruits of the Spirit The Law disappears", which is often how that passage is incorrectly taught.
Galatians 5:16-23
"So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other, so that you do not do what you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 The acts of the flesh are obvious:
- sexual immorality (sin = breaking the law)
- impurity (sin = breaking the law)
- debauchery (sin = breaking the law)
- idolatry (sin = breaking the law)
- sorcery (sin = breaking the law)
- hatred (sin = breaking the law)
- discord (sin = breaking the law)
- jealousy (sin = breaking the law)
- rage (sin = breaking the law)
- rivalries' (sin = breaking the law)
- divisions (sin = breaking the law)
- factions (sin = breaking the law)
- envy (sin = breaking the law)
- drunkenness (sin = breaking the law)
- orgies, and the like (sin = breaking the law)
I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is:
- love (No law to break = no sin)
- joy (No law to break = no sin)
- peace (No law to break = no sin)
- patience (No law to break = no sin)
- kindness (No law to break = no sin)
- goodness (No law to break = no sin)
- faithfulness (No law to break = no sin)
- gentleness (No law to break = no sin)
- self-control. (No law to break = no sin)
Against such ^^^things^^^ there is no law [to break]."
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Who said they wanted you to keep the law of Moses? Please tell me cause I will go after them and rip and tear them to shreds for lying to you (unless they don't know). One thing most law keepers know is that the law of Moses ended with John the Baptist. So please give me names to get this straightened out. That is deception pure and simple. ANYONE saying the law of Moses is still valid is rendering void what Jesus did. That might even be blasphemy if they know the truth and spread such lies. (unless they don't know)
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Your letting your belief system guide you and not the words.
If one is doing the fruit of the spirit. They will by practice NEVER BREAK THE LAW. Hence the point, if your doing them, no law can be against you
The problem is we do not do these things 100% perfectly 24/7 365 days a year. So we still sin.
Following the law will NeveR help us be better people it was not made for that puyrpose. It was made to CONDEMN us.
If one is doing the fruit of the spirit. They will by practice NEVER BREAK THE LAW. Hence the point, if your doing them, no law can be against you
The problem is we do not do these things 100% perfectly 24/7 365 days a year. So we still sin.
Following the law will NeveR help us be better people it was not made for that puyrpose. It was made to CONDEMN us.
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