Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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Can you not see there are no camps? There are scriptures. They are God given. God doesn't want division. People want to divide. Do you know why? Because a house divided can not stand. And Satan wants that very thing. So he makes the details of the letter become important than the message. Doesn't matter that it should be about finding the love of God for us, and the love of each other from within the Word, it only matters who is right. But for what it is worth, here it is
There was a nation who had been slaves for 400 years. They knew nothing. But God had them set to become a nation" set apart". A holy nation. Representatives of God. God gives them laws to live by to be a "better nation", a moral people, to each other and to everyone around. And as long as they followed His laws that is what they would remain. Fair, honest, trustworthy, untouchable, in the world full of carnal greedy, powers and nations. But they had God. And if they loved and obeyed the rules, He was there 100%. But we always seem to forget HE CREATED US FOR HIS PLEASURE and He wants our love
So all those laws that seem so hard to follow and such a burden, for one, covered everything. Could you imagine running an enire country with less than 700 rules? They are the government, the church, the moral, the civil, laws, to keep clean and disease free, ect. They were for that "era". They had to be everything. They also were set to expire. Because they were not going to be a nation much after that. And they weren't were they? Needed to bring in a more of a "take it with you" type law.
But we can't change any of the law, not a jot or tittle. Why not? Because not only is it our history and the whole book rests upon itself, and it must remain perfect.
Another thing on the laws themselves is within them you find the "personality" of God. The Holiness of God. The righteousness of God. What makes Him happy, What brings about His wrath. These are things we need to know. These are things you WANT to know when you really truly love someone.
Jesus came and walked and talked what all these laws described about love, and holiness and loving your fellow man, and what the perfect man look like to Gods eyes. When you ask yourself what does God want, look to Jesus, when you are doing the best you can, you look more like Jesus. It is so much easier to do something once someone else has done it. So all those laws had to go but not the "spirit" of them because the spirit of them is Holiness and love and kindness, well, the sprit of them are the fruits of the spirit.
So how do those laws hang on the new ones? Love and goodness to God and to each other, that has to come along. How God tells us to run a nation, can't ever be forgotten but it is no longer a law "we" must follow, that would be about rendering unto Cesar's… We know, but I don't think many people understand the difference between "forgiveness of sin" then vs now. It should be a mandatory test before being baptized just so you appreciate what Jesus really did do for us in this area alone. I can't overstate it. All the areas have their special "windows" to another part of God ways.
I have a very good understanding of my Creator and my Lord and Savior, and my Comforter, and a very good relationship too. I never lived under the law, but I live with it and all the knowledge and wisdom of God that it shares with me. I thank God most every day for all He gives me, feeling so unworthy of any of it, so giving more thanks for My Lord and Savior for doing that and the billion other things that were done in the years He walked amongst us. My foundation is solid, I know upon whom my faith is built and where I stand. I have studied, a lot.
Am I in two camps? Not a clue. Would it matter? No. I have figured out what I say here is seen by those God wants to see it, and it is nothing other than poking someone in the eye so they can't see on the other side. I believe that I could agree with them and they still wouldn't see it until God said "ok". But with that they would have to ask. I don't see that happening, but Gods Will be done. God tells us, this is how it is going to be. Funny thing is, even knowing it, it still comes as a shock.
There was a nation who had been slaves for 400 years. They knew nothing. But God had them set to become a nation" set apart". A holy nation. Representatives of God. God gives them laws to live by to be a "better nation", a moral people, to each other and to everyone around. And as long as they followed His laws that is what they would remain. Fair, honest, trustworthy, untouchable, in the world full of carnal greedy, powers and nations. But they had God. And if they loved and obeyed the rules, He was there 100%. But we always seem to forget HE CREATED US FOR HIS PLEASURE and He wants our love
So all those laws that seem so hard to follow and such a burden, for one, covered everything. Could you imagine running an enire country with less than 700 rules? They are the government, the church, the moral, the civil, laws, to keep clean and disease free, ect. They were for that "era". They had to be everything. They also were set to expire. Because they were not going to be a nation much after that. And they weren't were they? Needed to bring in a more of a "take it with you" type law.
But we can't change any of the law, not a jot or tittle. Why not? Because not only is it our history and the whole book rests upon itself, and it must remain perfect.
Another thing on the laws themselves is within them you find the "personality" of God. The Holiness of God. The righteousness of God. What makes Him happy, What brings about His wrath. These are things we need to know. These are things you WANT to know when you really truly love someone.
Jesus came and walked and talked what all these laws described about love, and holiness and loving your fellow man, and what the perfect man look like to Gods eyes. When you ask yourself what does God want, look to Jesus, when you are doing the best you can, you look more like Jesus. It is so much easier to do something once someone else has done it. So all those laws had to go but not the "spirit" of them because the spirit of them is Holiness and love and kindness, well, the sprit of them are the fruits of the spirit.
So how do those laws hang on the new ones? Love and goodness to God and to each other, that has to come along. How God tells us to run a nation, can't ever be forgotten but it is no longer a law "we" must follow, that would be about rendering unto Cesar's… We know, but I don't think many people understand the difference between "forgiveness of sin" then vs now. It should be a mandatory test before being baptized just so you appreciate what Jesus really did do for us in this area alone. I can't overstate it. All the areas have their special "windows" to another part of God ways.
I have a very good understanding of my Creator and my Lord and Savior, and my Comforter, and a very good relationship too. I never lived under the law, but I live with it and all the knowledge and wisdom of God that it shares with me. I thank God most every day for all He gives me, feeling so unworthy of any of it, so giving more thanks for My Lord and Savior for doing that and the billion other things that were done in the years He walked amongst us. My foundation is solid, I know upon whom my faith is built and where I stand. I have studied, a lot.
Am I in two camps? Not a clue. Would it matter? No. I have figured out what I say here is seen by those God wants to see it, and it is nothing other than poking someone in the eye so they can't see on the other side. I believe that I could agree with them and they still wouldn't see it until God said "ok". But with that they would have to ask. I don't see that happening, but Gods Will be done. God tells us, this is how it is going to be. Funny thing is, even knowing it, it still comes as a shock.
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Clear enough.
And it is clear that you follow Jesus's instructions in Matthew 28:19 -20 which says that His disciples or followers should teach others to obey His commandments, right? Do you consider Jesus's commandments as laws of God?
Hebrews 7:12
For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.
Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself. Each one should test his own actions. Then he can take pride in himself, without comparing himself to somebody else, for each one should carry his own load. Galatians 6:2-5
Is it burdensome for you to carry each other's burden because it's not by works but by faith alone that you are saved?
Does the God that works in you leading you to disobey or nullify His commands?
Walk in Love and God. bless
And it is clear that you follow Jesus's instructions in Matthew 28:19 -20 which says that His disciples or followers should teach others to obey His commandments, right? Do you consider Jesus's commandments as laws of God?
Hebrews 7:12
For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.
Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself. Each one should test his own actions. Then he can take pride in himself, without comparing himself to somebody else, for each one should carry his own load. Galatians 6:2-5
Is it burdensome for you to carry each other's burden because it's not by works but by faith alone that you are saved?
Does the God that works in you leading you to disobey or nullify His commands?
Walk in Love and God. bless
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What are my choices? I want to make sure I pick the one you like best.
But I was originally referring to the 10 commandments and all of Moses Law.
I know some people divide Moses law into pieces and parts but I don't. When I refer to law I am talking about OT Moses law.
If I refer to another law other than moses then I specifically use the name of that law.
Its easier to say 'the law' and refer to the 10c's which includes moses than try to include everyones thoughts on which laws are part of the 'the law' and which aren't.
But I was originally referring to the 10 commandments and all of Moses Law.
I know some people divide Moses law into pieces and parts but I don't. When I refer to law I am talking about OT Moses law.
If I refer to another law other than moses then I specifically use the name of that law.
Its easier to say 'the law' and refer to the 10c's which includes moses than try to include everyones thoughts on which laws are part of the 'the law' and which aren't.
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Did Jesus "break" Sabbath Law or did He obey a higher law which called for saving lost sheep, and then return immediately to Sabbath observance?
I do not understand the rational which tries to infer to us, who were justified through repentance and acceptance of the Blood of Yahshua that we are trying to be justified by obedience.
It was this gift of Grace, our Justification which led to the next step in our walk, the anointing of the Holy Spirit, which put in us a desire to know and keep the will/commandments of God!
Why now, after the exact purpose of the plan of redemption and salvation is under way in the heart of the believer, where the Holy Spirit is literally transforming us into the image of Yahshua who was obedient even unto death, do you wish to frustrate the work of the Holy Spirit? Can you not see how you are working against the very work of Yahshua in His elect?
I suppose there are always tests in the believers life through adversaries to the faith, but have you ever considered that in your heart of hearts you are cooperating with error? Trying to dissuade a child of God from following the Spirit of Gods leading?
Mat 5:19 NIV Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
1Pe 1:13-16 NIV
(13)Therefore, prepare your minds for action; be self-controlled; set your hope fully on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is revealed.
(14) As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance.
(15) But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do;
(16) for it is written: "Be holy, because I am holy."
This and the hundreds of other scriptures the "likes of me" have been sharing speak to proactive efforts to keep the "old man" down, but your actions speak against these admonitions and actions. I do not recognize that voice, those admonitions, those rebukes as coming from the Holy Spirit, from Yahshua my Risen Lord or the Heavenly Father!
There is more to learn here about obedience to the Laws through the inspirational anointing of the Holy Spirit. I hope you will realize that it is open to those who seek after and wait for it.
SG
I do not understand the rational which tries to infer to us, who were justified through repentance and acceptance of the Blood of Yahshua that we are trying to be justified by obedience.
It was this gift of Grace, our Justification which led to the next step in our walk, the anointing of the Holy Spirit, which put in us a desire to know and keep the will/commandments of God!
Why now, after the exact purpose of the plan of redemption and salvation is under way in the heart of the believer, where the Holy Spirit is literally transforming us into the image of Yahshua who was obedient even unto death, do you wish to frustrate the work of the Holy Spirit? Can you not see how you are working against the very work of Yahshua in His elect?
I suppose there are always tests in the believers life through adversaries to the faith, but have you ever considered that in your heart of hearts you are cooperating with error? Trying to dissuade a child of God from following the Spirit of Gods leading?
Mat 5:19 NIV Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
1Pe 1:13-16 NIV
(13)Therefore, prepare your minds for action; be self-controlled; set your hope fully on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is revealed.
(14) As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance.
(15) But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do;
(16) for it is written: "Be holy, because I am holy."
This and the hundreds of other scriptures the "likes of me" have been sharing speak to proactive efforts to keep the "old man" down, but your actions speak against these admonitions and actions. I do not recognize that voice, those admonitions, those rebukes as coming from the Holy Spirit, from Yahshua my Risen Lord or the Heavenly Father!
There is more to learn here about obedience to the Laws through the inspirational anointing of the Holy Spirit. I hope you will realize that it is open to those who seek after and wait for it.
SG
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IF by His commands you mean the 10 commandments that were given to the people who rejected His Grace then the answer would be no, not really.
But God doesn't lead us to walk like the carnal who work at those laws either and think they fulfill them by their own understanding and strength.
Such as resting on saturdays. God doesn't lead us to that.
Instead God leads us to Rest in Christ, every day.
So does that nullify the 10 commands He gave at Sinai? No, not really. Only in the minds of those that work at the law and try to fulfill it in their flesh.
But God doesn't lead us to walk like the carnal who work at those laws either and think they fulfill them by their own understanding and strength.
Such as resting on saturdays. God doesn't lead us to that.
Instead God leads us to Rest in Christ, every day.
So does that nullify the 10 commands He gave at Sinai? No, not really. Only in the minds of those that work at the law and try to fulfill it in their flesh.
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Galatians 3:2-3
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Still working at the law and pretending its holy. Just like the Pharisees before you did.
Galatians 3:10-12
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
If no man is justified by the law in the sight of God then how do men become holy as God is Holy? How are men to be obedient and what should they be obedient to?
In other words, how are men justified in the sight of God?
Or Are you so foolish? Is probably an easier way to put it but I think I may have posted that one once or twice before...
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Still working at the law and pretending its holy. Just like the Pharisees before you did.
Galatians 3:10-12
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
If no man is justified by the law in the sight of God then how do men become holy as God is Holy? How are men to be obedient and what should they be obedient to?
In other words, how are men justified in the sight of God?
Or Are you so foolish? Is probably an easier way to put it but I think I may have posted that one once or twice before...
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Oh how wise, and clever our God is, to have come through the pen of one of His humble servants, such a narrative, that "reads like a story", to those merely "looking" for a story. Yet, on "another level, and levels", exposes "dots to be connected, or realigned", or "bread crumbs", if you will, along "the spiritual pilgrimage."
Which to "each" reader, depending on one's "theology?"
Are simultaneously, and at the same time TRUE for both!
Praise be to the God and Father of Jesus of Nazareth. Who places "stumbling blocks", to "convict the wise", in their own conceits.
Which to "each" reader, depending on one's "theology?"
Are simultaneously, and at the same time TRUE for both!
Praise be to the God and Father of Jesus of Nazareth. Who places "stumbling blocks", to "convict the wise", in their own conceits.
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The law is a schoolmaster
It was made to bring us to conviction fo sin. To leave all men with no excuse. To show the means to redemption (blood)
Since it was NOT given to show people HOW to be righteous. It can not be used as a guide, because the only result a person would see when they look to the law is how guilty they are and what they need to do (christ)
Its foolish to take what was given to PROVE guilt and use it as a means to STOP being guilty (be morally righteous or good)
Its like trying to take water and using it to gas your diesel truck. The truck will not work.. Because water was not created for that purpose.
It was made to bring us to conviction fo sin. To leave all men with no excuse. To show the means to redemption (blood)
Since it was NOT given to show people HOW to be righteous. It can not be used as a guide, because the only result a person would see when they look to the law is how guilty they are and what they need to do (christ)
Its foolish to take what was given to PROVE guilt and use it as a means to STOP being guilty (be morally righteous or good)
Its like trying to take water and using it to gas your diesel truck. The truck will not work.. Because water was not created for that purpose.