Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[eternally-gratefull]

☺️I think he was saying that the accuser uses the law to accuse us.

And he does. He loves to bring our sins to our mind, and tell us how God will not forgive us. Satan HATES grace,, it is satans worse enemy, so he has to fight it

 

[NayborBear]

Interesting thought you clarified. When we were first brought to repentance by our sins against the Laws of God, was it the "accuser" was behind our Sorrow or God?

If we sin today, say steal, like go on a non work related website while being paid to produce work, is it the accuser who convicts us of that sin so we will repent or is it still God? Or should we not feel any conviction for that sin?

SG

I do suppose? Money to be somewhat a "soothing ointment" to a "seared conscious!"

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Replies like this, are to be expected from the "Church/es of the Paulene Epistles."

Yep. It is not a good idea to use origional languages to support our case. We should just make words say whatever we want so we can continue in our faulty belief system.

Ps. I used John 3: 16 as my example. I did not know Paul wrote Johns gospel. Or that John was quoting Paul.

But thats what happens when you have nothing, you make yourself look bad.. Way to go bud!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Interesting thought you clarified. When we were first brought to repentance by our sins against the Laws of God, was it the "accuser" was behind our Sorrow or God?

If we sin today, say steal, like go on a non work related website while being paid to produce work, is it the accuser who convicts us of that sin so we will repent or is it still God? Or should we not feel any conviction for that sin?

SG

What about the sins that are not showed by the letter of the law. Should we just ignore them?

If you need the law to accuse you of your sins today, Then one must wonder why you need reminded of what that particular sin was. And why you did not already know..

 

[SimpleGardner]

I do suppose? Money to be somewhat a "soothing ointment" to a "seared conscious!"

Ugh! Yes, or maybe they feel they are blessing their employers by volunteering their funds to their efforts on say the CC website where they are evangelizing the lost....Funny though...that would make them a paid evangelist "working" on CC. Hmmmm!

 

[NayborBear]

Yep. It is not a good idea to use origional languages to support our case. We should just make words say whatever we want so we can continue in our faulty belief system.

Ps. I used John 3: 16 as my example. I did not know Paul wrote Johns gospel. Or that John was quoting Paul.

But thats what happens when you have nothing, you make yourself look bad.. Way to go bud!

1 Corinthians 2
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

1 Corinthians 2
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Thanks, You just answered the reason you can not understand the truth in this issue

Of course, You will also not show you can recieve the word. Because you were given the words in plain english and what the words translated “everlasting” in John 3: 16 means, and you stil refuse to acknowledge it or admit your error.

Its on you bud.. My conscious is clear.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ugh! Yes, or maybe they feel they are blessing their employers by volunteering their funds to their efforts on say the CC website where they are evangelizing the lost....Funny though...that would make them a paid evangelist "working" on CC. Hmmmm!

You make me laugh man, I mean really. You make me laugh,,

 

[NayborBear]

Ugh! Yes, or maybe they feel they are blessing their employers by volunteering their funds to their efforts on say the CC website where they are evangelizing the lost....Funny though...that would make them a paid evangelist "working" on CC. Hmmmm!

"We do the Payin'?" "We DO the SAYIN!"
A most "typical" "tribal elder" response!
Happens a lot more then people may care to be, or become cognizant of!

 

[SimpleGardner]

1 Corinthians 2
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Hey NayborBear,

Have you detected anyone speaking in a snide, condescending, unkind way on this site lately?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hey NayborBear,

Have you detected anyone speaking in a snide, condescending, unkind way on this site lately?

Hey simplegarder, Have you listened to yourself and naylorbear lately?

 

[SimpleGardner]

"We do the Payin'?" "We DO the SAYIN!"
A most "typical" "tribal elder" response!
Happens a lot more then people may care to be, or become cognizant of!

I hope not. If anyone is posting to this site while being paid to do something else then they are "not worthy of their wages" that is a sin. But again, do people who only recognize the "Law of Love" find a way to exclude their sins? Do they not even have any conviction of their theft? If not, what then is lacking?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think people need to see this again, They argument is not againsst EG or Gandpa or others. It is against the word.

[QUOTE="eternally-gratefull, post: 4010213, member: 82611"

This is what is called twisting the interpretation fo words to fit your own believe system

Everlasting life, in john 3:16, jesus tells nicodemus ( and us) that whoever places their faith in him has everlasting life

So lets look up in the greek and not just once sources, but multiple sources.

Greek new testament lexicon of the new testament based on semantic domains
ἀί̈διος, ον; αἰώνιος, ον: pertaining to an unlimited duration of time—‘eternal.’
ἀί̈διος: ἥ τε ἀί̈διος αὐτοῦ δύναμις καὶ θειότης ‘his eternal power and divine nature’ Ro 1:20.
αἰώνιος: βληθῆναι εἰς τὸ πῦρ τὸ αἰώνιον ‘be thrown into the eternal fire’ Mt 18:8; τοῦ αἰωνίου θεοῦ ‘of the eternal God’ Ro 16:26.
The most frequent use of αἰώνιος in the NT is with ζωή ‘life,’ for example, ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων ἐν αὐτῷ ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον ‘so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life’ Jn 3:15.

Intermediate greek english lexicon (notice the root aiwv is the rood used for a specific period of time or an age or epoc. Not eternal.

αἰώνιος, ον and α, ον, lasting for an age (αἰών 3), Plat.: ever-lasting, eternal, Id.

Dictionary of biblical languages with sementic domain - Greek
173 αἰώνιος (aiōnios), ον (on): adj.; ≡ DBLHebr 6409; Str 166; TDNT 1.208—1. LN 67.96 eternal, an unlimited duration (Ro 16:26; Mk 16: Shorter v.r.); 2. LN 67.133 since all time, time (long ago), (Ro 16:25)

And of course everyones favorite. The greek english lexicon of the NT Thayer

αἰώνιος, -ον, and (in 2 Th. 2:16; Heb. 9:12; Num. 25:13; Plat. Tim. p. 38 b. [see below]; Diod. i. 1; [cf. WH. App. p. 157; W. 69 (67); B. 26 (23)]) -ος, -α, -ον, (αἰών);
1. without beginning or end, that which always has been and always will be: θεός, Ro. 16:26, (ὁ μόνος αἰώνιος, 2 Macc. 1:25); πνεῦμα, Heb. 9:14.
2. without beginning: χρόνοις αἰωνίοις, Ro. 16:25; πρὸ χρό νων αἰωνίων, 2 Tim. 1:9; Tit. 1:2; εὐαγγέλιον a gospel whose subject-matter is eternal, i. e. the saving purpose of God adopted from eternity, Rev. 14:6.
3. without end, never to cease, everlasting: 2 Co. 4:18 (opp. to πρόσκαιρος); αἰώνιον αὐτόν, joined to thee forever as a sharer of the same eternal life, Philem. 15; βάρος δόξης, 2 Co. 4:17; βασιλεία, 2 Pet. 1:11; δόξα, 2 Tim. 2:10; 1 Pet. 5:10; ζωή (see ζωή, 2 b.); κληρονομία, Heb. 9:15; λύτρωσις, Heb. 9:12; παράκλησις, 2 Th. 2:16; σκηναί, abodes to be occupied forever, Lk. 16:9 (the habitations of the blessed in heaven are referred to, cf. Jn. 14:2, [also, dabo eis tabernacula aeterna, quae praeparaveram illis, 4 Esdr. (Fritzsche 5 Esdr.) 2:11]; similarly Hades is called αἰώνιος τόπος, Tob. 3:6, cf. Eccl. 12:5); σωτηρία, Heb. 5:9; [so Mk. 16. WH, in the (rejected) ‘Shorter Conclusion’]. Opposite ideas are: κόλασις, Mt. 25:46; κρίμα, Heb. 6:2; κρίσις, Mk. 3:29 (Rec. [but L T WH Tr txt. ἁμαρτήματος; in Acta Thom. § 47, p. 227 Tdf., ἔσται σοι τοῦτο εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν καὶ λύτρον αἰωνίων παραπτωμάτων, it has been plausibly conjectured we should read λύτρον αἰώνιον (cf. Heb. 9:12)]); ὄλεθρος [Lchm. txt. ὀλέθριος], 2 Th. 1:9, (4 Macc. 10:15); πῦρ, Mt. 25:41, (4 Macc. 12:12 αἰωνίῳ πυρὶ κ. βασάνοις, αἳ εἰς ὅλον τὸν αἰῶνα οὐκ ἀνήσουσίσε).
[Of the examples of αἰώνιος from Philo (with whom it is less common than ἀΐδιος, q. v., of which there are some fifty instances) the following are noteworthy: de mut. nom. § 2; de caritate § 17; κόλασις αἰ. frag. in Mang. ii. 667 fin. (Richter vi. 229 mid.); cf. de praem. ct poen. § 12. Other exx. are de alleg. leg. iii. § 70; de poster. Caini § 35; quod deus immut. § 30; quis rer. div. her. § 58; de congressu quaer. erud. § 19; de prof. § 38; de somn. ii. § 43; de Josepho § 24; quod omn. prob. lib. § 4, § 18; de ebrietate § 32; de Abrah. § 15; ζωὴ αἰ.: de prof. § 10; θεὸς (ὁ) αἰ.: de plantat. § 2, § 18 (bis), § 20 (bis); de mundo § 2. From Josephus: antt. 7, 14, 5; 12, 7, 3; 15, 10, 5; b. j. 1, 33, 2; 6, 2, 1; κλέος αἰ.: antt. 4, 6, 5; b. j. 3, 8, 5; μνήμη αἰ.: antt. 1, 13, 4; 6, 14, 4; 10, 11, 7; 15, 11, 1; οἶκον μὲν αἰώνιον ἔχεις (of God), antt. 8, 4, 2; ἐφυλάχθη ὁ Ἰωάννης δεσμοῖς αἰωνίοις, b. j. 6, 9, 4.
Syn. ἀΐδιος, αἰώνιος: ἀΐδ. covers the complete philosophic idea—without beginning and without end; also either without beginning or without end; as respects the past, it is applied to what has existed time out of mind. αἰώνιος (fr. Plato on) gives prominence to the immeasurableness of eternity (while such words as συνεχής continuous, unintermitted, διατελής perpetual, lasting to the end, are not so applicable to an abstract term, like αἰών); αἰώνιος accordingly is esp. adapted to supersensnous things, see the N. T. Cf. Tim. Locr. 96 c. θεὸν δὲ τὸν μὲν αἰώνιον νόος ὁρῆ μόνος etc.; Plat. Tim. 37 d. (and Stallbaum ad loc.); 38 b. c.; legg. x. p. 904 a. ἀνώλεθρον δὲ ὂν γενόμενον, ἀλλʼ οὐκ αἰώνιον. Cf. also Plato’s διαιώνιος (Tim. 38 b.; 39 e.). Schmidt ch. 45.]

So once again, We have t remove the planks from our eyes. What the person this user quoted said is plain and simply WRONG The words are used interchangeably depending on who is doing the intperpretation [/QUOTE]

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I hope not. If anyone is posting to this site while being paid to do something else then they are "not worthy of their wages" that is a sin. But again, do people who only recognize the "Law of Love" find a way to exclude their sins? Do they not even have any conviction of their theft? If not, what then is lacking?

Judge not lest ye be judged.

It appears you lawyers are the only ones stressing how righteous you are.

You should clean your own house before you try to clean others.

 

[NayborBear]

Thanks, You just answered the reason you can not understand the truth in this issue

Of course, You will also not show you can recieve the word. Because you were given the words in plain english and what the words translated “everlasting” in John 3: 16 means, and you stil refuse to acknowledge it or admit your error.

Its on you bud.. My conscious is clear.

In order to understand "everlasting?"
You would first have to admit that there was an "age" before this current one!
Matthew 28
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Who is greater?
The Father, or the Son?

Is a "seared" conscious a "clear" conscious too?

Asking for a friend.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

In order to understand "everlasting?"
You would first have to admit that there was an "age" before this current one!
Matthew 28
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Who is greater?
The Father, or the Son?

Is a "seared" conscious a "clear" conscious too?

Asking for a friend.

Nah

We just need to look at the word. And see what the defenition is. Not just make up things so they fit our belief system

Or we could just look in context of how it is used

“For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him SHALL NEVER PERISH, but HAS EVERLASTING LIFE

So. In context

1. They will never die
2. They will live everlasting, or forever.

You want to fiddle with the word to make your belief system believable. Go ahead/

Me, I will take Jesus at his word.

You should be asking about your conscious my friend, Mine is perfectly fine (when it c omes to the term eternal or everlasting)

 

[SimpleGardner]

1 Corinthians 2
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

I asked about the condescending/snide attitudes because, if anyone on this site, us included, is being any of those things and is not being convicted is that a sign of "fruits" we are to look for??

Didn't Paul say if anyone bore these things, No Kingdom of Heaven?;
Gal 5:19-21 NIV The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; (20) idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions (21) and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.



Could those attitudes be listed above?

 

[NayborBear]

Hey NayborBear,

Have you detected anyone speaking in a snide, condescending, unkind way on this site lately?

Who me?.....You mean people who would steer people away from the 10 commandments, in striving to stablish their own "law", and interpretations thereof?

Nah!....I ain't seen nobody round these parts doing that!

Have you?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I asked about the condescending/snide attitudes because, if anyone on this site, us included, is being any of those things and is not being convicted is that a sign of "fruits" we are to look for??

Whats worse, is doing it, then denying it..

But then again, WHen you are bound by rules. You have to make yourself look good. So it is hard to confess to such trivial matters right?

 

[posthuman]

Never heard of Gish galloping before. I think PH was on a debate team.

Gish Galloping...huh!?

Nope, never. I despise debate for debates sake. The concept of people who don't actually have an argument but are trying to argue anyway does sound oddly familiar tho.

in D&D a gish is someone who has physical combat skill as well as magical skill.
in the Navajo language gish is the word for a stick, cane or staff.
It's also my favorite Smashing Pumpkins album ((EP actually))