Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[eternally-gratefull]

As demonstrated, your position still remains subjective. I prefer to have the Word's standard of morality attached to it to make it explicit.

Tell that to god, those are his words, and no one will have an excuse

You can keep he law, and still be a sinner, that should prove to your your standard is incomplete,

But if you wish to go there, feel free, it is not for me to judge,

Jesus is the Word of God (The law and the prophets) manifested in the flesh, so it is only natural that He would teach to keep the law even within the heart.

Jesus kept the law because he did what i said, even when the disciples told him to eat and rest, he refused, saying his purpose was to serve,

Thats my guide, not some law i can not keep even if i tried

This makes no sense to me. Knowing what is good and evil doesn't prove we are cursed. I would argue that knowing what is good and evil gives us the knowledge to do that which is good.

Hmm so adam and eve did not have the knowledge to do what was good BEFORE they knew good from evil?

Your thinking is flawed in my view.

Satan is he one who wanted us to know good and evil, not god, that was never Gods purpose.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And yet I am making the argument for God's standard. I think you're trolling me here.

Good day.

Gods standard is perfection

The law can not make you perfect.

Who is trolling who?

 

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God gave the law to moses why? As a schoolmaster to lead them to christ

Everyone else understood what true sin was, but as paul said, no one can judge where there is no law.

The law was given to condemn, not to teach how to be holy or be righteous,

If there was not a sign that said speed limit 65: a person could drive 100 and no one could judge him because there was no law which told him what to do

All laws are for that purpose

Again, this makes no sense to me. If my son stole something from me, is me telling him that it is evil to steal condemning him? No, it is so that he knows it is evil and next time do good instead. In other words, next time he will, instead of stealing, be holy and do that which is right (righteous).

Also, morality is objective, not subjective. In your allegory, the speed limit is always 65 regardless. So the person will be fined. The only way out for him is to plead ignorance.

 

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Gods standard is perfection

The law can not make you perfect.

Who is trolling who?

To claim that knowledge of what is good and evil can make you perfect is nonsensical. One can fully know what he is doing is evil and still do it.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

It would help to know who is being referred to in those citations if you would consider that YHWH gave The Northern Kingdom of Israel a writ of Divorcement and put them out of His House. Jer 3:8.
The "put them out of His House" part was first, the Assyrian captivity/exile, and then the scattering throughout the nations. Amos 9:9

The Northern Kingdom of "Israel" was "no more" and those tribes were no longer called "Israel" nor were they anywhere in Gods House. Yahshua made it clear that He was sent "Only for the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel" and sent them with the "Good News"
Is it your understanding that all the tribes of Israel were in Palestine?
Do you think that they had returned from exile by the time of Yahshua?

All I can say is this:

Acts 3 -

22 For Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will raise up to you a prophet like me out from your brothers [THIS "raise" refers to His earthly ministry BEFORE His death]. You will listen to Him in all things, as many as He might say to you. 23 And it will be that every soul who might not heed that prophet will be utterly destroyed out from the people.’c

24 And also all the prophets from Samuel, and those subsequently, as many as have spoken, also have proclaimed these days. 25 You are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant that God made with your fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your seed all the families of the earth will be blessed.’d 26 God, having raised up His servant [that is, in His earthly ministry ('Prophet') BEFORE His death], sent Him first to you, blessing you in turning away each of you from your wickednesses.”


[and v.19 said "repent ye therefore, and be converted"]



What say you?

 

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The "pre-incarnet" Jesus is the Word of God Moses was teaching the people, which he received from Jehovah. Jehovah would have explicitly told Israel all Moses told them, but they were too scared.

Moses was offering dead animals they had killed to the creator. This is what the creator said:-

“What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices? says the Lord; I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of well-fed beasts; I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs, or of goats.(Isaiah 1:11)

Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations—I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly. (Isaiah 1:13)

They were doing the same to their false gods:
In every city of Judah he made high places to burn incense to other gods, and provoked to anger Yahweh, the God of his fathers. 2 Chronicles 28:25

Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods. (Deu 12:31 KJV)

 

[PS]

The "pre-incarnet" Jesus is the Word of God Moses was teaching the people, which he received from Jehovah. Jehovah would have explicitly told Israel all Moses told them, but they were too scared.

The commandments of Jesus are different from those of Moses.

 

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The commandments of Jesus are different from those of Moses.

By making such a statement is really taking the side of the Jews who accused Jesus of exactly that, and would, at the same time, make Jesus evil for teaching others to be evil.

Also, it is arguing that God doesn't exist, because if objective moral values and duties, as Moses claimed, does not exist, then God does not exist.

 

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Moses was offering dead animals they had killed to the creator. This is what the creator said:-

“What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices? says the Lord; I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of well-fed beasts; I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs, or of goats.(Isaiah 1:11)

Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations—I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly. (Isaiah 1:13)

They were doing the same to their false gods:
In every city of Judah he made high places to burn incense to other gods, and provoked to anger Yahweh, the God of his fathers. 2 Chronicles 28:25

Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods. (Deu 12:31 KJV)

Yeah, of course. I mean, what kind of father would not be irritated that his children are using his mercy to carry on doing evil? Surely you don't go, "Ah, it's okay for me to kill him, because I got Jesus?" That is exactly their mindset. Hence, vain offerings.

 

[PS]

Again, this makes no sense to me. If my son stole something from me, is me telling him that it is evil to steal condemning him? No, it is so that he knows it is evil and next time do good instead. In other words, next time he will, instead of stealing, be holy and do that which is right (righteous).

Also, morality is objective, not subjective. In your allegory, the speed limit is always 65 regardless. So the person will be fined. The only way out for him is to plead ignorance.

Quite clearly the laws of God, were not written on your son's heart. Either that of he was deliberately disobedient.

“This is the covenant I will make with them after that time,” says the Lord. “I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” (Heb 10:16)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I agree that there were some from every tribe there as they had freely intermarried across tribes, but as far as the "tribes" themselves they were "sent away" from how I read it. Those "representatives" you speak of, can you give me the scripture that indicates they were there as representatives. I cannot seem to find it readily. Thanks

God said he kept a remnant, i trust him, the Bible says Israel returnd from babylon, not just “judah”

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Oh I agree that he does not. I am saying that the interpretations that causes Paul to contradict the Word of God are erroneous. For example,

"Thus saith Jehovah... NO! Thus saith Paul."

Paul is inspired. So paul spoke as any OT prophet did. At least that is what my bible say, all scripture (including Paul's) is god breathed

 

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Quite clearly the laws of God, were not written on your son's heart. Either that of he was deliberately disobedient.

“This is the covenant I will make with them after that time,” says the Lord. “I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” (Heb 10:16)

That's a false dichotomy, as the alternative is merely ignorance. And to have good written on the heart is to want to do good, not because you are obligated to.

 

[PS]

By making such a statement is really taking the side of the Jews who accused Jesus of exactly that, and would, at the same time, make Jesus evil for teaching others to be evil.

Also, it is arguing that God doesn't exist, because if objective moral values and duties, as Moses claimed, does not exist, then God does not exist.

The Pharisees were liars and not to be believed.

 

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Paul is inspired. So paul spoke as any OT prophet did. At least that is what my bible say, all scripture (including Paul's) is god breathed

Okay, but then to use Paul's writings on why not to regard the law and the prophets is thus erroneous.

 

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The Pharisees were liars and not to be believed.

It doesn't matter, it was still their accusation. They accused Jesus of doing exactly what you claim He did. If they were lying, then your statement is false.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Again, this makes no sense to me. If my son stole something from me, is me telling him that it is evil to steal condemning him? No, it is so that he knows it is evil and next time do good instead. In other words, next time he will, instead of stealing, be holy and do that which is right (righteous).

Also, morality is objective, not subjective. In your allegory, the speed limit is always 65 regardless. So the person will be fined. The only way out for him is to plead ignorance.

It makes no sense to you?

Moses said anyone that does not obey every word is cursed, does that help?

Paul confirmed it in Gal 3 ( for whoever is under the law is under a curse, for cursed os everyone who does not continue in ALL things,)

James even makes it clear, if we keep wvery word of the law yet stumble in one point, we are guilty of the whol law.. what is the penalty? Cursed or death..

I am not sure you understand the purpose of the law my friend.

Morality is not subjective dude, your calling gods words subjective

Jesus said on those two commands hang the whole law, those are his words not mine

 

[eternally-gratefull]

To claim that knowledge of what is good and evil can make you perfect is nonsensical. One can fully know what he is doing is evil and still do it.

I never said it could make you perfect

So once again, who is trolling?

 

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I never said it could make you perfect

So once again, who is trolling?

The person who says I am wrong but for two times did not say why and doesn't engage with me.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Okay, but then to use Paul's writings on why not to regard the law and the prophets is thus erroneous.

Nope

Its eronious to say paul said we are required to follow the law, especially when paul called it the law of sin and death. Written in stone.