Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[PS]

Yeah, of course. I mean, what kind of father would not be irritated that his children are using his mercy to carry on doing evil? Surely you don't go, "Ah, it's okay for me to kill him, because I got Jesus?" That is exactly their mindset. Hence, vain offerings.

Remember, these "vain offerings" were at the command of Moses who also made the same vain offerings.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The person who says I am wrong but for two times did not say why and doesn't engage with me.

He told you why, you just did not hear him

 

[NayborBear]

if it's about 'traditions/precepts of men' then why does it say 'the law' ?
Paul certainly has a big enough Greek vocabulary to use the word for 'traditions of men'

aren't we talking about 'the law'? is it supposed to be, 'for what the completely uninspired, totally man-made & unscriptural traditions could not do, in that they were weak through the flesh.. ' ?
surely you don't believe it's like PS says, the Torah is actually all Moses speaking for a false pagan god?

I'll "try" and explain the best way I can with that which I have to work with.

"Ideally?" The "keeping" of the law of Moses "starts" within one self, from the "moment" one has accepted Jesus Christ as their "Mediator", betweenst oneself and He who sent Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
But? It is "no mystery", that we indeed do not live in such an "ideal" world. Which was the "why" for the whole "tribe of Levi!" So, that God's Priests would not have to endure the "vexations of spirit" that comes from "the world!" (aka the "garden of Eden incident")
"The World?" And, being of "the world?" Starts immediately after we are born from water(embryonic sac, for those not familiar with child birth) INTO "the world."

Christianity, for the most part? Is where one coming "from the world", turns to, as "the last resort." And, is so joyful, that sin can and indeed is forgiven? That they now possess a "faith that saves", that they never ever ever consider Who placed such "obstacles" in their "life journey in flesh", to get them to that point of even seeking God in the first place!
What's unfortunate, is they only allow God to heal them to a "certain" point!

Then, what transpires, is a continual disregard to the "warning" that Paul gave to Timothy.
2 Timothy 2
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Of the which? As can be seen "in the world" around us? The proof of a law! The "law" of DIMINISHING RETURNS!

Not to "churches of stone" per se. As their "numbers" are growing.

But, to the "spiritual sacrifices" offered TO God BY Jesus Christ!

Meaning, although numbers get larger?

The "Holy Priesthood?"

Becomes SMALLER, in these last days!

As the "son of perdition" becomes more and more "exposed?"

This "should" make it "easier to see", as (to use an analogy) the "doors of the ark" are closing upon this earth and heaven age! In the "revealing" of just how far off course "the church" has veered!

 

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It makes no sense to you?

Moses said anyone that does not obey every word is cursed, does that help?

That I can understand. If you do evil, you're accursed. It should be obvious. If you commit adultery, be prepared to lose your marriage. If you kill someone, be prepared for the consequences. And even if the curse doesn't hit you in this life, it won't go by Jehovah. But that wasn't the claim made, this was.

The law is given to prove we are sinners prove we are cursed

Morality is not subjective dude, your calling gods words subjective

Jesus said on those two commands hang the whole law, those are his words not mine

How exactly do you conclude I am calling God's words subjective while I am, at the same time, defending that it is objective and claim that Jesus commands to love God and your neighbor is the keeping of the law and the prophets?

 

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Remember, these "vain offerings" were at the command of Moses who also made the same vain offerings.

Vain offerings :: "I can kill him, as long as I say sorry to Jesus."

 

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He told you why, you just did not hear him

Quotation please.

 

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Nope

Its eronious to say paul said we are required to follow the law, especially when paul called it the law of sin and death. Written in stone.

Okay, but then Paul is contradicting the law of the prophets...

Moses: See, I have set before you this day life and good, and death and evil.

Isaiah: Woe to them that calls good evil, and evil good [...] To the law and to the testimony, if they [for example Paul] do not speak according to this Word, there is no light in them.

Paul: NO! It is erroneous to regard what Moses wrote. It is sin and death written on stone.

Also, can you explain to me why you interpret Paul to mean that the definition of good and evil is sin and death? Also, if I write "Do not murder," on stone, why is that problematic?

I think your interpretations are erroneous, not Paul.

 

[PS]

It doesn't matter, it was still their accusation. They accused Jesus of doing exactly what you claim He did. If they were lying, then your statement is false.

We are talking about the law here, and as the Pharisees correctly accused Jesus of working on the Sabbath, and as Jesus never broke the law, then clearly it was the law of Moses that was wrong.

 

[NayborBear]

You are correct that I do not get why someone would both believe in Jesus and willfully sin.

So my guess is that you don't consider those two commandments to be in effect today, so that breaking them does not result in sin.

So again, while you are putting your ideas about the law out there, why not talk about the details of your life, which laws you do keep and how you keep them, so that other people can see your light shine before men?

What was it Jesus told Nicodemus?
What's "flesh" is flesh!
What's "spirit" is spirit!

My light is "shining!"
Perhaps, you are not a man, eh?

 

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We are talking about the law here, and as the Pharisees correctly accused Jesus of working on the Sabbath, and as Jesus never broke the law, then clearly it was the law of Moses that was wrong.

Interesting. Can you explain more to me how Jehovah made a mistake to which Jesus corrected Him?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That I can understand. If you do evil, you're accursed. It should be obvious. If you commit adultery, be prepared to lose your marriage. If you kill someone, be prepared for the consequences. And even if the curse doesn't hit you in this life, it won't go by Jehovah. But that wasn't the claim made, this was.

Paul

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God iseternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Galatians 3:10
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”
moses

Deuteronomy 27:26
‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the peopleshall say, ‘Amen!’ ”

Any questions?

How exactly do you conclude I am calling God's words subjective while I am, at the same time, defending that it is objective and claim that Jesus commands to love God and your neighbor is the keeping of the law and the prophets?

Your called gods words that says LOVE is what fulfills the law subjective,

Those are not my words, they are gods, so when you claim my cirw is subjective, your saying gods view is subjective

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Quotation please.

How about you go reqd him

At least Twice he showed you by what he said,

 

[posthuman]

Vain offerings :: "I can kill him, as long as I say sorry to Jesus."

Vis a vis, "we can worship our Ba'als and Ashera, because we also make offerings at the temple"

I agree with your understanding here 100%. That's why He called their offerings vain, because their hearts were false and adulterous.

Something you should know about PS, he believes Moses was serving Ba'al, not God, and that much of the law in the OT, and the actions of Joshua in entering into the promised land & driving out / putting the inhabitants to the sword, were the evil, corrupt result of that. He doesn't think that YHVH is I AM - but that I AM is the true God, and YHVH is a false Ba'al.

@PS please correct me if I'm misrepresenting your position here..

 

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Paul

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God iseternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Galatians 3:10
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”
moses

Deuteronomy 27:26
‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the peopleshall say, ‘Amen!’ ”

Any questions?






Your called gods words that says LOVE is what fulfills the law subjective,

Those are not my words, they are gods, so when you claim my cirw is subjective, your saying gods view is subjective

I fail to see how this is an issue? I already said that I can understand how doing evil is to be accursed... I merely took issue with a statement you made.

Okay, just using love, only love. Can you show me how it is evil for a man having sex with another man?

 

[PS]

Vain offerings :: "I can kill him, as long as I say sorry to Jesus."

That is worse than anything the Pharisees said.

 

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Vis a vis, "we can worship our Ba'als and Ashera, because we also make offerings at the temple"

I agree with your understanding here 100%. That's why He called their offerings vain, because their hearts were false and adulterous.

Something you should know about PS, he believes Moses was serving Ba'al, not God, and that much of the law in the OT, and the actions of Joshua in entering into the promised land & driving out / putting the inhabitants to the sword, were the evil, corrupt result of that. He doesn't think the YHVH is I AM - but that I AM is the true God, and YHVH is a false Ba'al.

@PS please correct me if I'm misrepresenting your position here..

How on earth would one conclude that after reading the infamous Exodus event?

 

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How about you go reqd him

At least Twice he showed you by what he said,

Shifting the burden of proof unto me. I will merely reply with, "I did."

 

[PS]

Interesting. Can you explain more to me how Jehovah made a mistake to which Jesus corrected Him?

It wasn't Jehovah, it was the god of the Jews. Remember, if they had known the Father they would have known Jesus.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Okay, but then Paul is contradicting the law of the prophets...

Nope, he is not contradicting them at all, thats your view, if he is, then scripture is usel sw, its all a lie

Also, can you explain to me why you interpret Paul to mean that the definition of good and evil is sin and death? Also, if I write "Do not murder," on stone, why is that problematic?

I think your interpretations are erroneous, not Paul.

Paul never said that,

It is obvious you can not comprehend what i am saying this is now twice you have misjudged my words


As for what paul said

Corinthians 3:7
But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,

This is the ten commands, one of which is thou shalt not kill and paul calld them the ministey of death

Any questions?

 

[RickStudies]

Okay, but then Paul is contradicting the law of the prophets...

I think your interpretations are erroneous, not Paul.

Do you know what Paul is refering to when he says "law of sin and death" ?