Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

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Lightskin

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Two things we should keep in mind;

A ministry is something we sacrifice ourselves to. If you are getting paid for your vocation then it is not a sacrifice, it is an occupation. Now that is not to say that you cannot do your occupation as unto the Lord, but you cannot call it a sacrifice. Now, If you have been doing this as a sacrifice then you have a reward coming...Except...you did not do it in secret but sought out the praises of men so you already have your reward.

Next time keep it between you and Yahshua and you will receive your reward from Him!

As to your second paragraph, please see your first paragraph, you already have...

SG
Putting you in your proverbial place by stating I work in ministry is not in any way seeking glory or rewards from anyone. But I do like watching you squirm in your attempts to downgrade the irrevocable gift of God’s grace afforded everyone who believes in Jesus.

And believe me Skippy, you can’t even begin to fathom the rewards I have already received and will continue to receive from our Heavenly Father because of my calling in to His ministry. It’s something you worker bees aren’t capable of comprehending.

Now remember, don’t get yourself in a twist realizing that God blesses those who have faith in Him.
 
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Wow, over 400 pages in and I don't think I ever made a comment. Why so many pages for such a simple subject? The OT was about the Law and blood sacrifice. It was imperfect and it simply "covered" sin. It was temporary till Christ came. Then He became the blood sacrifice, and our sins are now taken away, not just covered by the blood of a sacrificed animal. We no longer have need of the Law and blood sacrifice. We have Christ, our only high priest. If you are under the Law you need the blood of an animal and a priest to go before God on your behalf. Christ broke all of that, He is the sacrifice, He took our sin away, and He goes to the Father in our place.He is our high priest and we can come boldly before the throne, which was not possible in the OT. Jesus brought a new covenant. Very simple.

right

and just started doing opposition research here myself this am (snaps suspenders) (y)
 
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kaylagrl

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Two things we should keep in mind;

A ministry is something we sacrifice ourselves to. If you are getting paid for your vocation then it is not a sacrifice, it is an occupation. Now that is not to say that you cannot do your occupation as unto the Lord, but you cannot call it a sacrifice. Now, If you have been doing this as a sacrifice then you have a reward coming...Except...you did not do it in secret but sought out the praises of men so you already have your reward.

Next time keep it between you and Yahshua and you will receive your reward from Him!

As to your second paragraph, please see your first paragraph, you already have...

SG
Oh nah, hold up!! Back the truck up!! What do you mean it's not a sacrifice?!! Have you ever been in a traveling ministry? Hold do you propose you get from town to town without a love offering? Is that an occupation?! I can tell you it IS a sacrifice and not one many would give up their lives to do. I can tell you stories as long as you care to listen about sacrifice. But worth every trail because of those that were saved, delivered and healed. There is nothing wrong with saying you've been in ministry, or are. Bragging on yourself is wrong. But there is nothing wrong with saying you are in ministry.
 
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Well I'm just sayin some pruning needs to be done round here. How you do that is up to you. ;)
I think some need more than pruned, pruning may may them look different, but would be in same situation
 

DeighAnn

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"If we follow the 2 commandments of love, all other commandments will be naturally followed/ fulfilled".

How is it possible adding the " following/fulfilling and the verbal acceptance and knowledge (the mind) of it being written, change it into "working for salvation"? Or does it? If there wasn't a doctrine that needed this support would it ever be questioned?

Can verbally stating the law, as being mindfully "followed, or a godly way to walk" take it out of the heart and render it to "just the flesh"?

But if we ONLY follow the heart (love)

Deuteronomy 29:19 And it come to pass when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst
Deuteronomy 29:20 The LORD will not spare him but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven

Jeremiah 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you that it may be well unto you.
Jeremiah 7:24
But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.
Jeremiah 7:25 Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them:
Jeremiah 7:26 Yet they hearkened not unto me, nor inclined their ear, but hardened their neck they did worse than their fathers.
Jeremiah 7:27 Therefore thou shalt speak all these words unto them but they will not hearken to thee thou shalt also call unto them but they will not answer thee.

Jeremiah 7:28 But thou shalt say unto them, This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of the LORD their God, nor receiveth correction, truth is perished and is cut off from their mouth.

Jeremiah 18:12 And they said, There is no hope: but we will walk after our own devices, and we will every one do the imagination of his evil heart.

Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.


Malachi 3:16 Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.
Malachi 3:17 And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels and I will spare them, as a man spareth is own son that serveth him.
Malachi 3:18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

Not between those that love and don't love, but those that are righteous "in the eyes of God". If you do not know the law, (have not been lead to faith by the school master), all of the " love" will not "miraculously teach you", but it will lead you to a love of ALL the words of God so you can learn.

Deuteronomy 19:9 If thou shalt keep all these commandments to do them, which I command thee this day, to love the LORD thy God, and to walk ever in his ways then shalt thou add three cities more for thee, beside these three
 
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Oh nah, hold up!! Back the truck up!! What do you mean it's not a sacrifice?!! Have you ever been in a traveling ministry? Hold do you propose you get from town to town without a love offering? Is that an occupation?! I can tell you it IS a sacrifice and not one many would give up their lives to do. I can tell you stories as long as you care to listen about sacrifice. But worth every trail because of those that were saved, delivered and healed. There is nothing wrong with saying you've been in ministry, or are. Bragging on yourself is wrong. But there is nothing wrong with saying you are in ministry.
Different than an occupation.........

SG :)
 

DeighAnn

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Scriptures that tell of the ENDING, as in being NO LONGER "a law we are under" "in bondage to" "cursed with" "held accountable to do" "in effect" "the function of" etc. The law of Moses.

When Jesus shed blood for us, and sealed the New Covenant, the kingdom of God, new laws, it set us free of the old. All the things the law of Moses could not do for us, being under grace could. No longer subject to that which was against us. Gone was being in bondage to sin, Jesus freed us from that bondage with repentance and forgiveness for those sins, no longer would we need an animal sacrifice, the Lamb of God, perfect, would be the last blood required to cover our sins. No longer did breaking the law bring death, our belief in the Lord Jesus Christ led us to life. No longer was there a ministration of death, death had been defeated by the raising of Christ from death to life. To be absent from the body was to be with the Lord. And all the other things that were contrary to us were now gone, never to have power over us again. We are free to walk righteously without fear of the penalty of death for falling short and sinning. The greatest gift of repentance from sin, the forgiveness of that sin, the being washed clean of that sin, the knowing the infinite value of the blood that washes us clean, we are washed clean once again and able to walk straight past the rent veil and talk to God, no fear that we will be struck dead because there is any sin about us. We can immediately acknowledge our sin, and be relived of it no burden of it to carry day to day. We were unyoked from that law, and yoked to the easy light yoke of Christ and the kingdom of God

Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
Matthew 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
Matthew 11:14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
Matthew 11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
(This is where had Jesus been accepted as "the Messiah" a new age would have come in, but because He was re
And again

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass than one tittle of the law to fail.

Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things that that of Abel.
Hebrews 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven

Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause He is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Hebrews 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Hebrews 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Hebrews 9:18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
Hebrews 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
Hebrews 9:20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
Hebrews 9:21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Hebrews 9:23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament not of the letter, but of the spirit for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2 Corinthians 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance which glory was to be done away
2 Corinthians 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2 Corinthians 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
2 Corinthians 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
2 Corinthians 3:11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

Luke 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you
 
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YOU keep saying there is different ways for the Jew and for Gentile, this is not true. Jesus Himself says:

John 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd."

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”
People love to misread those whom they disagree with.

There is only one good news NOW for everyone.

That does not mean the good news preached in the past are all about the death burial and resurrection of Christ.

There is no contradiction in the above two points
 

DeighAnn

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Peter was martyred in Rome about 66-68 AD, during the persecution under Emperor Nero. Origen says Peter was crucified, upside down at his request, because he did not feel he was worthy to die in the same manner as the Messiah.
That was all really sad and painful to read. I was going to give it an emoji but there really isn't one that works. I just wanted to say thank you for the info.
 

Marcelo

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Wow, over 400 pages in and I don't think I ever made a comment. Why so many pages for such a simple subject? The OT was about the Law and blood sacrifice. It was imperfect and it simply "covered" sin. It was temporary till Christ came. Then He became the blood sacrifice, and our sins are now taken away, not just covered by the blood of a sacrificed animal. We no longer have need of the Law and blood sacrifice. We have Christ, our only high priest. If you are under the Law you need the blood of an animal and a priest to go before God on your behalf. Christ broke all of that, He is the sacrifice, He took our sin away, and He goes to the Father in our place.He is our high priest and we can come boldly before the throne, which was not possible in the OT. Jesus brought a new covenant. Very simple.
I agree with you 100%, but my question is not whether or not we should keep the Torah. Actually, my question is this: Who told us to stop keeping the law of Moses?

It is true that during His earthly ministry Jesus never told the disciples to stop keeping the Law, and many law keepers today build their argument on this fact.

The earthly Jesus never told us to stop keeping the law of Moses, but the risen Christ did (through Paul). If we were to read only the four Gospels we would be Torah observant to this day. So, the purpose of this thread is to stimulate reflection on the importance of Paul's letters. It is in his letters that we'll find the answer to my question: Who told us to stop keeping the law of Moses?
 

RickStudies

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I agree with you 100%, but my question is not whether or not we should keep the Torah. Actually, my question is this: Who told us to stop keeping the law of Moses?

It is true that during His earthly ministry Jesus never told the disciples to stop keeping the Law, and many law keepers today build their argument on this fact.

The earthly Jesus never told us to stop keeping the law of Moses, but the risen Christ did (through Paul). If we were to read only the four Gospels we would be Torah observant to this day. So, the purpose of this thread is to stimulate reflection on the importance of Paul's letters. It is in his letters that we'll find the answer to my question: Who told us to stop keeping the law of Moses?
Let me ask you a question. When do you think the law keeping Jewish Church adopted Pauls doctrines for the Gentiles?

Only answer if you feel like. I can certainly understand if you wouldn`t want to :rolleyes:
 
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kaylagrl

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I agree with you 100%, but my question is not whether or not we should keep the Torah. Actually, my question is this: Who told us to stop keeping the law of Moses?

It is true that during His earthly ministry Jesus never told the disciples to stop keeping the Law, and many law keepers today build their argument on this fact.

The earthly Jesus never told us to stop keeping the law of Moses, but the risen Christ did (through Paul). If we were to read only the four Gospels we would be Torah observant to this day. So, the purpose of this thread is to stimulate reflection on the importance of Paul's letters. It is in his letters that we'll find the answer to my question: Who told us to stop keeping the law of Moses?

I seriously resent you making me think,I'm gettin too old for that foolishness. Better put a :p or someone will accuse me of joking and being led astray...
 

Marcelo

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Let me ask you a question. When do you think the law keeping Jewish Church adopted Pauls doctrines for the Gentiles?

Only answer if you feel like. I can certainly understand if you wouldn`t want to :rolleyes:
There was a long transition period between the Old and the New Covenants. Just keep in mind that Paul's conversion took place 2-3 years after the cross, the Council of Jerusalem some 15 years, and some teachers say that the Primitive Church was completely free from the Law some 40 years after the cross.