Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[eternally-gratefull]

I asked a legalist recently if he would rather work at the law or would he rather be righteous.

Because a choice has to be made. There is no righteousness for us in the law. Our righteousness is from Christ, alone.


I was hoping that they would be able to see this but some apparently still don't understand.

Its called listening to something that sounds good,

it speaks to our pride, and sounds good, a believer should follow what god commanded, so they focus on obedience and working, and not grace and serving in love,

thats why it is so easy to fall for the lie.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Not "cornered!" EXPOSED!
For the "swine" you are!
Smashing "pearls", meant to help you, in your (supposed) "striving/s" towards "Spiritual Maturity!"
Problem with you, and most of your ilk is yer jez to friggin' stupid and stiff-necked to shut yer pie hole, and LISTEN!
Behaving like the "spiritually wayward children", you are!

You "think" y'all are gonna be sitting on "thrones" judging nations, by the way y'all behave and talk "crap", the way y'all do!
But, yer not!
Y'all are gonna BE judged! Then? TAUGHT! AND? "Learn!" Or not!
Y'all "think" y'all have "escaped" the 2nd death!
Sitting there so "smug" and feeling SO SECURE in y'alls salvation!
I'll tell y'all now! You'll believe me later! (that is, if there's enough of your minds left to remember)
Y'all ain't escaped !

Do I sin? In the "flesh?" Heck YEAH I SIN!
In the Spirit? Not so much anymore!
Yet? I am not SO VAIN as to "think/feel/act/TALK" like my salvation, as well as my Spiritual Maturity is "as ASSURED" as y'all talk like Y'ALL's is!
This is what KEEPS me going forward!
1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as "lively stones", are built up a "spiritual house"(Beth-El), an Holy Priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 6
14 And God hath BOTH "raised up the Lord", and WILL ALSO raise up us BY HIS "OWN" POWER!
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
Last I heard? 1 stone? in 1 body? Does NOT a "Temple", nor "Spiritual House" make!

Whatever dude

you have not exposed anything

me sit on throne judging nations? HA! Who told you that lie?

see you THINK you know what I think, but you continually EXPOSE the fact you have absolutely no idea what i believe

keep it up, your hurting hour own cause,

 

[Nat2019]

FULFILLING THE LAW OF CHRIST/ BEING FREED FROM THE LAW.

Galatians 6:2
Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.

Acts 13:39
And by him everyone who believes is freed from everything from which you could not be freed by the law of Moses.

Matthew 7:12
“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Galatians 3:21
Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law.

Galatians 3:24
So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.

Romans 7:5-7
For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code. What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”

Galatians 2:21
I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.

Romans 3:28
For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

SO I ask you to breakdown a few verses to further our conversation and remedy our disagreement, possibly helping me see things your way;



and that is your reply? That has nothing to do with breaking those down or your view of them? That just ignores them. How am I to beleivee you are really seeking to pursuade me when you won't even touch certian verses?

You posted a passage which said gods commands are not burdensom

i asked, why then why can we not fulfill the law if it is so easy

Can you answer the question please,

(you asked me not to cut your posts up so i did not, you see now why i do it? Because i had a particular question about something you said)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am not sure why you decided we could not follow the law perfectly, So I found for you, these verses to hopefully open up your mind.

Exodus 39:43 And Moses did look upon all the work, and, behold, they had done it as the LORD had commanded, even so had they done it: and Moses blessed them.

Numbers 1:54 And the children of Israel did according to all that the LORD commanded Moses, so did they.

Genesis 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God walk before me, and be thou perfect.
Genesis 17:2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

1. It has been done as the Lord commanded, so it can be followed perfectly and we are told by God to do just that.

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree

2. We have been redeemed from the curse, so no curse of the law anymore

Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Romans 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.


Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Romans 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law

Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

3. Because we are told to keep the commandments, and some of us like to move past briefly comprehended into the details that love is fulfilling.


Why do people bring up obedience when talking about the law? Because THAT is love. walking in love of God and neighbor.

Psalm 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

But past that,
2 Chronicles 31:21 And in every work that he began in the service of the house of God, and in the law, and in the commandments, to seek his God, he did it with all his heart, and prospered.

2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.


Why would if given the gift of being made righteousness, it being that important, not go and seek to become more on their own or try to convince others that more good or righteous works of God are bad? Can you not see how

don't work the law, you have been given
don't seek to be just, you have been given
don't seek to be worthy of being saved, it has been given
don't seek, it has been given

If it is given, don't you want the giver to be happy he gave? How is "trying" to be better by whatever means bad? Why is it when anyone steps out past the gifts given, are there people who try to stop them? And why is it that the second they do, THEY ARE JUMPED UPON AS NOT WALKING IN LOVE? not really having the spirit, really needing to find Christ and all the rest that is just another way of saying "not saved".

So if they followed the law perfectly

why did christ need to come? They fullfilled the law and thus never needed saved to begin with

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Your view is crazy.

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Sin is not the law it is transgression of the law.

This is not sin:

Matthew 22:37-40, " 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

Revelation 14:12-13, " 12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!

John 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned.”


1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us."

1 John 2:1-2, "My little children, I write these things to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father: Jesus Christ, the Righteous; and He is the sacrifice of atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

With all that sai it appears if Paul did not write it you do not accept it as doctrine, so here is something you may acceopt:

Romans 6:15-18, " 15 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16 Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness.

So now you resort to silly attacks?

paul said if you chose to follow one aspect, your indebted to follow it all, (Gal 5)

so i guess pauls view is crazy

the law says you must be perfect, otherwise you have failed to keep it and are guilty of it

so if your going to follow one part, you getter follow it all

thats not crazy, thats the word of god.

if your choosing obedience by law, your indebted to keep it all. Thus your a slave to sin, because you must never sin again, or else you failed to do what you set out to do.

its all common sense

do you want to be obedient gods way? Or mans way?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is up to the accuser to show proof, you have not. You keep making mmore and more accusations with no evidence.

If I am so so full of this error, deception then you would EASILY be able to show where.

Yep

and when you asked for evidence, i showed it, and you still deny it..

your funny man, your really funny.

i cut stuff that have no bearing on our discussion, i am quite frankly tired of trying to explain that to you And if you are not going to try, i am no longer going to bother with that stuff.

you even here Prove one of my points, i am not saying being a slave to sin is self focus, i have told you this already (It is not the context of our conversation)

since you can not fathom what i am trying to say you keep making up this one point as if it helps you

it does not help you, because I have never said such a thing.

also, see how you just twisted my post, i was talking about the law, you totally ignored that aspect, and made a claim i was talking about something else,

see, i did give a point, a point you never even acknowledged, where you made a claim about me which was not true. I did this AFTER you asked for proof.
get over yourself man. If you can not be honest, there is nothing more to say

 

[DeighAnn]

So if they followed the law perfectly

why did christ need to come? They fullfilled the law and thus never needed saved to begin with

Because God loves us.. He knew that sending the spirit to lead and guide and comfort us would do what the law alone could not. He wanted us to change our inner man out of love for Him, not because we would "win salvation" for physically being able to do it right. Gods Kingdom will be a righteous kingdom. It can be no other because that is who He is. He has a right way and a wrong way. I am hoping to be as little as possible a contributor to the humiliations of Christ. So I strive to "do it His way" reward or not. It isn't about what He can do for me. He has already done enough. The least I can do is all I can.

God gives to each in measure. It goes back to" the talents". If He gives a little and you do nothing with it, ok, you are saved. Rest away. You have attained all you are looking for, but He gives you no more. If He gives you little and you do something with it He gives more. To those who live their lives loving Him with all their heart, and do His works He takes from those who are happy with "being" saved and gives to those who are "working towards being Priest" or what ever He needs.

If we choose HIS love, His ways above the ways of the world, while we are free to do whatever we want, what does that tell Him? People seem to think there will be no society in Spiritual bodies. We will be who we are now, just in a different "place". But when you study the past, what you find there, is Satan going from a prince to a king. He tells us there are vessels of Gold and silver and wood, some to honor, some to dishonor. I don't know how that can't be any clearer.

Being "saved" just isn't enough for me. When I get back to God I want to have spent my time here learning all there is to know about Him. I learn that through His word. It tells me all His emotions, good and severe. What He loves and what He hates. I know that my works do follow me, is all I can take with me, and they make up the linen of the clothes I will wear. To be a priest is to know all of Gods Ways not just the accepting of the gifts He has bestowed upon me. My life here is truly spent for what I can take with me. I miss Him. Always have, and will, until I return.

 

[wokinluv]

Its called listening to something that sounds good,

it speaks to our pride, and sounds good, a believer should follow what god commanded, so they focus on obedience and working, and not grace and serving in love,

thats why it is so easy to fall for the lie.

People sure do a lot of scriptural and mental gymnastics to ensure that they can justify their work at the law.

Even to the point of accusing REAL Christians of being lawless because they DON'T work at the law.


Does the weak brother ACCUSE the strong brother of lawlessness? Or rather should the weak brother explore how the strong brother has love out of a pure heart, a good conscience and faith unfeigned? And then attempt to at least become a little stronger...

I don't have contempt for the weak brother. I feel a little sorry for him. Until he starts to accuse the strong brother. Then I start to have a different opinion.

There is a difference between weak and blind. Legalists and Judaizers prove that day in and day out.

...but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’” “You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Genesis 3:3-5

The same things are what the devil is using to deceive God's creation. The devil doesn't want us to follow God's commandments and would twist His words to mean otherwise.

God said, "you would surely die"

The serpent said, "you will not surely die"

Then God gave His laws and commandments to His people but they were deceived and were led by the devil to disobey God.

Then God sent His only begotten Son to save His people from the coming wrath of God.

What do you think is the devil's deception in this last days?

"Do not listen to God, no one can keep His laws and commandments so why should you?"

"You will not surely die if you don't keep His laws and commandments"

Someone may ask, how is this possible?

And here's what the false prophets in these last days would say...

"Once saved, you are always saved."

At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and MANY FALSE PROPHETS WILL APPEAR AND DECEIVE many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the LOVE of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. Matthew 24:10-13

“Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks. The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.” Matthew 12:33-37

Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. Ephesians 5:11-12

The word/s of the Master is a law to His servants, written on their hearts.

Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.

God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen.

 

[SimpleGardner]

So if they followed the law perfectly

why did christ need to come? They fullfilled the law and thus never needed saved to begin with

Have you ever heard why Jesus came only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel and why?

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

You posted a passage which said gods commands are not burdensom

i asked, why then why can we not fulfill the law if it is so easy

Can you answer the question please,

(you asked me not to cut your posts up so i did not, you see now why i do it? Because i had a particular question about something you said)

OK, I posted that verse and asked how you view it, so you do not answer, but sauy I quoted it and ask me a question about it. Why can I not get a single answer out of you?

2 passages and I asked your view. I continually answer your questions.

SO we are never tolf to "fulfill" the law, that is a falsehood that is possibly a part of your misunderstading. We are told to obey, we are told guarding His commands is love to Him and to others:

1 John 4:19, “We love Him because He first loved us.”

Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”

John 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

Finally the verse that says:

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and guard His commands. For this is the love for God, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

G926 βαρύς barus (ɓa-rïs') adj.
1. weighty (i.e. as something bearing down; not simply “heavy”).
2. (figuratively) grievous, burdensome.
[probably from baino “to walk,” through the notion of going down]
KJV: grievous, heavy, weightier
See also: G922

G926 βαρύς, βαρεῖα, βαρύ, heavy;
1. properly, i. e. heavy in weight: φορτίον, Matthew 23:4 (in 11:30 we have the opposite, ἐλαφρόν).

2. metaphorically,
a. burdensome: ἐντολή, the keeping of which is grievous, 1 John 5:3.
b. severe, stern: ἐπιστολή, 2 Corinthians 10:10 (others, imposing, impressive, cf. Wetstein at the passage).
c. weighty, i. e. of great moment: τά βαρύτερα τοῦ νόμου the weightier precepts of the law, Matthew 23:23; αἰτιάματα (better αἰτιώματα (which see)), Acts 25:7.
d. violent, cruel, unsparing (A. V. grievous): λύκοι, Acts 20:29 (so also Homer, Iliad 1:89; Xenophon, Ages. 11, 12).

heavy/burdensome is not meaning will do them perfect 100% of the time. See I think this is your error you isloate what James says, even though James is says TO FOLLOW, you say nreak one!!!! PERFECT OR NOTHING!!! this is not what James is saying. read James.

James 1:22-25, “And become doers of the Word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. Because if anyone is a hearer of the Word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror, for he looks at himself, and goes away, and immediately forgets what he was like. But he that looked into the perfect Law of liberty, and continues in it, not becoming a hearer that forgets, but a doer of work, this one shall be blessed in his doing.”

James 2:8-12, “If you truly accomplish the sovereign Law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you do well, but if you show partiality, you commit sin, being found guilty by the Law as transgressors. For whoever shall guard all the Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” (Exo 20:14) also said, “Do not murder.” (Exo 20:13) Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of Law. So speak and so do as those who are to be judged by the Law of liberty.”

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

So now you resort to silly attacks?

paul said if you chose to follow one aspect, your indebted to follow it all, (Gal 5)

so i guess pauls view is crazy

the law says you must be perfect, otherwise you have failed to keep it and are guilty of it

so if your going to follow one part, you getter follow it all

thats not crazy, thats the word of god.

if your choosing obedience by law, your indebted to keep it all. Thus your a slave to sin, because you must never sin again, or else you failed to do what you set out to do.

its all common sense

do you want to be obedient gods way? Or mans way?

No this part

yep, by following the law your indebted to keep it, this makes you a slave to sin, because you can not keep it

if you think you keep the law. Then you water down the law. Its quite simple math, anything short of 100% = fail, if you fail, yet say you do not fail, you are watering down the standard,

that is why I posted this for you;

With all that sai it appears if Paul did not write it you do not accept it as doctrine, so here is something you may acceopt:

Romans 6:15-18, " 15 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16 Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness.

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

Yep

and when you asked for evidence, i showed it, and you still deny it..

your funny man, your really funny.



see, i did give a point, a point you never even acknowledged, where you made a claim about me which was not true. I did this AFTER you asked for proof.
get over yourself man. If you can not be honest, there is nothing more to say

You never showed MY OWN WORDS, you keep saying but SHOW MY OWN WODS I SAID, not you saying what Im saying, show my own words. EXACTY where please.

 

[DeighAnn]

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
What does Paul say we are free from? The Yoke of Bondage. That is not the kingdom of God though, because the Yoke of Jesus is light. So then if we look up the whole bondage thing we see we are FREED FROM THE BONDAGE OF THE LAW OF MOSES .
Galatians 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Paul now stating one of the parts of the law of Moses, following in the flesh circumcision, a blood ritual, which Jesus died to take out of our way. Paul stating if you shed blood, you are in effect saying you do not believe in the blood shed on the Cross. If you do not believe in the Cross, you then must be one following the law of Moses, not the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
As the law of Moses was to follow the whole law, then if you circumcise for righteousness, you must follow the old law and if you do you do it because you do not believe in the blood shed on the Cross

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
If you try to be justified by the law, you do not believe in the blood shed on the Cross, you lose Gods grace

Galatians 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Those who believe in the blood shed on the Cross, wait for the HOPE by faith ( you would think it would say the assured state of being saved, but it doesn't, just hope)

Galatians 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing nor uncircumcision but faith which worketh by love.
To circumcise or not doesn't get you anywhere as far as justification or anything else, it is faith which worketh BY love

Galatians 5:7 Ye did run well who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
You started out great, what would make you go back to the law of Moses in the sacrifice of blood?

Galatians 5:8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
This isn't of God

Galatians 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
A little false doctrine believed will mess up the whole truth of Gods word and before long you will believe in the doctrines men and will no longer be able to see or hear Gods Truth.

Galatians 5:10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
If you run across someone who it teaching the doctrines of men, know that there is a judgment coming from God that they will bear. So don't fret, God has got it, and will make them bear their burden.

Galatians 5:11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
If he was preaching circumcision, why were the Jews persecuting him? Just isn't necessary for a new Christian. But the Jews were mad that salvation was to be attained not through their rituals, but through Christ.

Galatians 5:12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
I wish also will emasculate themselves those upsetting you.

Galatians 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
We are set free, not to the things of the flesh, but to serve each other
Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
If you were to break law all down to one thing, this would be it

Galatians 5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh and these are contrary the one to the other so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
The flesh is against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh, and when the spirit dwells within you, your flesh may be screaming out to call a brother or sister something derogatory, but you can't do it. Well maybe once or twice. Most certainly could never be a habit, IMO

Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
No longer a slave to sin, or bound to death, or without forgiveness. No need for rituals etc

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Galatians 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Galatians 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Galatians 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

Galatians 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Paul now stating one of the parts of the law of Moses, following in the flesh circumcision, a blood ritual, which Jesus died to take out of our way. Paul stating if you shed blood, you are in effect saying you do not believe in the blood shed on the Cross. If you do not believe in the Cross, you then must be one following the law of Moses, not the kingdom of God.

Paul had Timothy circumcised on account of Jews:

Acts 16:1-3, “1 Paul came also to Derbe and to Lystra. And a disciple was there, named Timothy, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer, but his father was a Greek, 2 and he was well spoken of by the brethren who were in Lystra and Iconium. 3 Paul wanted this man to go with him; and he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews who were in those parts, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.”

Galatians 5:2, Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all.”

Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
No longer a slave to sin, or bound to death, or without forgiveness. No need for rituals etc

The spirit of God writes the law on our heart and mind;

Hebrews 10:16-17, " 16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” 17 then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

Jesus and the 12 say not to eat meat sacrificed to idols, the self sppointed apostle Paul, whom none testify as an apostle other than himself says Jesus chose him, but if Jesus chose him why does Paul say it is ok to eat meat sacrificed to idols, when Jesus says not to, in the last book written humans, post Paul's writings?

the 12:

Acts 15:28-29, “For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”

Paul:

1 Corinthians 8:7-8, "However, not all possess this knowledge. But some, through former association with idols, eat food as really offered to an idol, and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do."

Jesus:

Revelation 2:20, "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols."

 

[DeighAnn]

Paul had Timothy circumcised on account of Jews:

Acts 16:1-3, “1 Paul came also to Derbe and to Lystra. And a disciple was there, named Timothy, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer, but his father was a Greek, 2 and he was well spoken of by the brethren who were in Lystra and Iconium. 3 Paul wanted this man to go with him; and he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews who were in those parts, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.”

Galatians 5:2, Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all.”



The spirit of God writes the law on our heart and mind;

Hebrews 10:16-17, " 16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” 17 then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”

True, but that was at the very beginning of his journey. By the time he got to Galatians, he was being persecuted for NOT teaching circumcision, or put another way, salvation through the old rituals, such as blood sacrifice. No doubt, just as we have grown in wisdom and knowledge, so did Paul. I think it shows how we can be led by the spirit from a place without understanding to one of knowledge.

 

[FollowtheShepherd]

True, but that was at the very beginning of his journey. By the time he got to Galatians, he was being persecuted for NOT teaching circumcision, or put another way, salvation through the old rituals, such as blood sacrifice. No doubt, just as we have grown in wisdom and knowledge, so did Paul. I think it shows how we can be led by the spirit from a place without understanding to one of knowledge.

But the letter to the Galatians is believed to have been written before Acts was and before the Jerusalem council, making Timothy's circumcision after the letter to the Galatians was written.

◄ Galatians ►
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Galatians Summary
by Jay Smith
https://biblehub.com/summary/galatians/1.htm

The book of Galatians is a Pauline Epistle (letter from Paul). It was written by the Apostle Paul about 49 A.D. prior to the Jerusalem Council which had taken place in 50 A.D

◄ Acts ►
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Acts Summary
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The genre of the book of Acts is Narrative History with several Sermons. Luke, the author of the Gospel of Luke, was a doctor and Gentile. He wrote this book circa 60-62 A.D.

Therefore Paul said no circumcision before the jerusalem council, and the Jerusalem council is before Paul circumcises Timothy.

 

[DeighAnn]

Jesus and the 12 say not to eat meat sacrificed to idols, the self sppointed apostle Paul, whom none testify as an apostle other than himself says Jesus chose him, but if Jesus chose him why does Paul say it is ok to eat meat sacrificed to idols, when Jesus says not to, in the last book written humans, post Paul's writings?

the 12:

Acts 15:28-29, “For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”

Paul:

1 Corinthians 8:7-8, "However, not all possess this knowledge. But some, through former association with idols, eat food as really offered to an idol, and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do."

Jesus:

Revelation 2:20, "But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols."

Here is what I have been given on this,

These new converted Christians, familiar with idols, have not come to the realization yet that there is but one God and an idol is "man made" nothing, air and it is not the food sacrificed to air that hurts you, but what you "think and feel", that is what defiles what hurts the conscience.


Matthew 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

Matthew 15:12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?

Matthew 15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.

Matthew 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

Matthew 15:15 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.

Matthew 15:16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?

Matthew 15:17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?

Matthew 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

Matthew 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

Matthew 15:20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

 

[DeighAnn]

But the letter to the Galatians is believed to have been written before Acts was and before the Jerusalem council, making Timothy's circumcision after the letter to the Galatians was written.

◄ Galatians ►
Bible Book Summary
Galatians Summary
by Jay Smith
https://biblehub.com/summary/galatians/1.htm

The book of Galatians is a Pauline Epistle (letter from Paul). It was written by the Apostle Paul about 49 A.D. prior to the Jerusalem Council which had taken place in 50 A.D

◄ Acts ►
Bible Book Summary
Acts Summary
by Jay Smith
https://biblehub.com/summary/acts/1.htm

The genre of the book of Acts is Narrative History with several Sermons. Luke, the author of the Gospel of Luke, was a doctor and Gentile. He wrote this book circa 60-62 A.D.

Therefore Paul said no circumcision before the jerusalem council, and the Jerusalem council is before Paul circumcises Timothy.

The books may have been written in that order but the "EVENTS" did not. Could not. Think Jesus raised from the dead. Pentacost