Did Jesus Have The Human Sinful Nature?
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I just quoted two scriptures and you quoted none.
You Refered to some bible commentary.
Aparantly you don’t understand the phrase for flesh gives birth to flesh is a reference to natural child birth.
This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth.
1 John 5:6
Came by by water described natural child birth.
Came by Water and blood described supernatural virgin child birth.
“Came” refers to; came into the world.
Let’s go to John 3, where John records Jesus using this phrase.
5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:5-6
Born of Water = Natural child birth -
That which is born of the flesh
Born of the Spirit = Spiritual Birth.
that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
JPT
I just quoted two scriptures and you quoted none.
You Refered to some bible commentary.
Aparantly you don’t understand the phrase for flesh gives birth to flesh is a reference to natural child birth.
This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth.
1 John 5:6
Came by by water described natural child birth.
Came by Water and blood described supernatural virgin child birth.
“Came” refers to; came into the world.
Let’s go to John 3, where John records Jesus using this phrase.
5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:5-6
Born of Water = Natural child birth -
That which is born of the flesh
Born of the Spirit = Spiritual Birth.
that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
JPT
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nope you have not and your hebrews 2:17-18 is not in context the way you are using it. I do not know what commentary you are using but it is not pick the first word you see. it has to meet the authorial intent in what is known as the circle of context. the proper exegesis is to : achieve authorial intent meaning: what did the author say , who did he say it to, what was the time frame he said it in , and how do I apply it today . That is only answered when 1. you have looked above and below Hebrews 2:1718 , in the paragraph, chapter , book, and the rest of the Bible. if you look at Hebrews 2:17-18 30 verses books and chapters speak directly against your assertion then. Your context is wrong.
That is what you did. Jesus does to have a sinful nature . And elitcing of a few verses by manipulation of the word to change the context is error.
Please send me a thank you letter no money for basic introduction to Biblical hermeneutics . Thank you PO Box read you bible in context to Authorial intent .
you say HE could have the word of god sys God cannot sin nor is God a liar like man. If you want to separate Jesus from the Devine nature HE has which is holy and without sin and say God can sin you can say that; the Bible does not teach that. If you want to interject something the bible does not teach go ahead 
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You keep saying "If it was impossible for him to sin, then he was not tempted,"
you equate temptation with sin after you said you agree that being tempted is not sin . That is an oxymoron . How can something that is not sin be sin if the one did not do it? BUT you keep saying HE could have . In the context of sovereignty you might be able to say that IF you change the context of Gods Devine nature of "Sovereignty " = Supreme power or authority Which Jesus has .
So Jesus who is Supreme power & authority could sin even IF HE said HE would not SIN, so why stop there with this error?
Jesus could have lied but choose not to. Or committed adultery but choose not to. That is Biblical error .
The Lord Jesus Christ is Supreme OVER sin. he defeated it .
.You keep saying "If it was impossible for him to sin, then he was not tempted,"
you equate temptation with sin after you said you agree that being tempted is not sin . That is an oxymoron . How can something that is not sin be sin if the one did not do it? BUT you keep saying HE could have . In the context of sovereignty you might be able to say that IF you change the context of Gods Devine nature of "Sovereignty " = Supreme power or authority Which Jesus has .
So Jesus who is Supreme power & authority could sin even IF HE said HE would not SIN, so why stop there with this error?
Jesus could have lied but choose not to. Or committed adultery but choose not to. That is Biblical error .
The Lord Jesus Christ is Supreme OVER sin. he defeated it .
you say HE could have the word of god sys God cannot sin nor is God a liar like man. If you want to separate Jesus from the Devine nature HE has which is holy and without sin and say God can sin you can say that; the Bible does not teach that. If you want to interject something the bible does not teach go ahead .
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Yes.
No, I do not.
No it isn't. Being tempted is not sin. On that we do agree.
If the one did not do it, he did not sin.
That's right.
It's the truth.
Yes, in his humanity, Jesus defeated sin by not sinning. If he would have sinned, he would not have defeated sin. If he was not truly tested, he didn't truly defeat anything.
This topic is important because we need to know and understand the Supremacy of Christ over SIN. To interject human reasoning and say " Jesus could have sinned but choose to obey God instead , " is biblical error. This is why many who speak about the Godhead should not do so; because they and we have limited understanding of the Divine Nature of God. Where the Bible is silent we should be too.
We do not use human reasoning we use scripture to interpret scripture . This is done first by having a relationship with Christ as your Lord and savior .
The Word of God says Jesus is without SIN. what does "without" mean? The ability to do, the absence of , not there and incapable of doing.
In the word of God where we see
without sin would be a very good study :
Jesus is speaking in John 8:7
" He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her"
the word here is You who are sinless
Hebrews 4:15
"For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
the word without sin is :
"without any sin
Jesus did not have the ability to Mis the mark as man does. Why ? because HE is God .
We do not use human reasoning we use scripture to interpret scripture . This is done first by having a relationship with Christ as your Lord and savior .
The Word of God says Jesus is without SIN. what does "without" mean? The ability to do, the absence of , not there and incapable of doing.
In the word of God where we see
without sin would be a very good study :
Jesus is speaking in John 8:7
" He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her"
the word here is You who are sinless
Hebrews 4:15
"For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
the word without sin is :
"without any sin
Jesus did not have the ability to Mis the mark as man does. Why ? because HE is God .