Did Jesus take the punishment for our sins?

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Yes it is a point of view I was Christian from very young age and travelled went to Vatican went to blue mousek and seen the only Christian church in Israel that is protected buy a old order of Muslim bodyguards. The holy trinity Jewish, Christian and Islam. The holy crusades was not for the ark but to kill of the tartaria people that hid in Ireland and us the scottish were the last defensive of the old world. Why else would Ower entire country being slaved? The only reason is we hold old knowledge that is brainwashed to be evil but not. 666 is the code for carbon-12 the make up of all life on earth, 6 protons, 6 electrons, 6 neutrons joing the dots makes the star of David. Or look up lucifer morningstar hymms sung in the Vatican!
I am not saying this as hate or nothing.ive read the bible back to front many times. book of enok. If you go to a church with a ring in the middle of the cross that is the kelitc cross that's pagan symbol.

You know Jesus is the sun not son I. The old days when translated it was know as the lazy u. In old Italian it talk about him being the sun not son. Or the hiden book of James in the underground liberty in Israel.
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Baldr

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Good Verses showing the lake of fire which is the second death.......If Jesus didn't come and die or become a sin offering for mankind, all of mankind would have been put in the lake of fire, including, David, Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Elijah, etc. Paul says in Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. This is talking about the first and second death.

Now let's take a look at what Paul says in Hebrews 10: (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins. Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you. (v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, all you have to look forward to is the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crux
For 3 days at the sun's lowest point it sits in these stars and sits in the cross for 3 days and rises one degree. It's from pagan astrology. Known as the pagan cross (celtic cross).
Hell is a norse word, hell(hela) Is the daughter of the devil the goddess of the underword and the devil's throne is Ower prison planet, no loving thing has went over 400 miles from the surface. After that cooked like your in a microwave need silly amounts of lead to shield so no living thing can leave.
 

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When Jesus was on the cross (and maybe before) did He take the punishment for our sins?
I think that lines up well with Isaiah's statement...
Isaiah 53:5
“But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.”

He certainly provided for the cleansing of our sins. He provided the Way to the Father.

Some other verses for you:

Hebrews 9:22
“And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.”

John 14:6
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
 

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was this really nesacarey did you have to post this ?

Have to …NO

Wanted to …Yes

If reality disgusts you ….I can’t help that.

Those pictures are a more realistic depiction of what our savior went through for us. Being illegally interrogated and tortured for almost 40 hours… does not result in a pretty picture …and I hope it’s an image you remember…
 

Baldr

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Have to …NO

Wanted to …Yes

If reality disgusts you ….I can’t help that.

Those pictures are a more realistic depiction of what our savior went through for us. Being illegally interrogated and tortured for almost 40 hours… does not result in a pretty picture …and I hope it’s an image you remember…
You know Jesus is the sun or in Latin lucifer! That's Latin for star That's why in the Vatican they sing flamus lucifer hymn aka lucifer morningstar.
Plus it's the 3 days before Christmas the sun get to it lowest point and it sits in the crux. Stars that is why the cross is that shape. Or do you kiss under mistletoe on the 25th? It's from the norse story of loki killing odins favourite son with mistletoe. So we kiss under it to show Ower love to the sun.
 

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Yes I do.

Do you know Jesus? (Obviously not.)

Has anyone told you that Jesus loves you?

Are you interested in being saved from your sins and saved from their consequences (death and eternal punishment following)?
 

Baldr

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Yes I do.

Do you know Jesus? (Obviously not.)

Has anyone told you that Jesus loves you?

Are you interested in being saved from your sins and saved from their consequences (death and eternal punishment following)?
Domesticated devil making promises, like in dantes inferno all crusaders were told all the sins will be unsolved just so they done the most unspeakable acts.
If you believe you are right but are you really doing good or following blind?
Remember god said let there be light! Word is the power word is truth.
Light is a byproduct of sound.
 

oyster67

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Light is a byproduct of sound.
Yes, Jesus spoke everthing into existence. Would you like to know Jesus in a personal way? He is watching you and... waiting.

Revelation 3:20
“Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.”
 

Artios1

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You know Jesus is the sun or in Latin lucifer! That's Latin for star That's why in the Vatican they sing flamus lucifer hymn aka lucifer morningstar.
Plus it's the 3 days before Christmas the sun get to it lowest point and it sits in the crux. Stars that is why the cross is that shape. Or do you kiss under mistletoe on the 25th? It's from the norse story of loki killing odins favourite son with mistletoe. So we kiss under it to show Ower love to the sun.

There is a lot of Babylonian mysticism that found it’s way into the “church”
Even though that is true with mistletoe …intent is the dividing line…and almost nobody knows the background.
 

oyster67

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Word is the power word is truth.
John 1:1 Context
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
 

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Have to …NO

Wanted to …Yes

If reality disgusts you ….I can’t help that.

Those pictures are a more realistic depiction of what our savior went through for us. Being illegally interrogated and tortured for almost 40 hours… does not result in a pretty picture …and I hope it’s an image you remember…
no you have no idea Jesus was was cut up that much so it was unnecessary to post it. And you have still yet to provide scripture that directly says Jesus took the punishment for our sins.
 

John146

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I can only find scripture that says Jesus suffered for our sins, I can't find any scripture that says Jesus took the punishment for our sins.
2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
 

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2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
what does this proove ?

Does this prove Jesus was punished for our sins ?.

The wages for sin is death and that still stands for unbelievers.


If Jesus took the punishment for sin, then your going to have show exactly that context.

Again the only verse I can find is Jesus suffered for our sins.

Punishment Is different to suffering.
 

John146

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what does this proove ?

Does this prove Jesus was punished for our sins ?.

The wages for sin is death and that still stands for unbelievers.


If Jesus took the punishment for sin, then your going to have show exactly that context.

Again the only verse I can find is Jesus suffered for our sins.

Punishment Is different to suffering.
Wages of sins is death. Jesus became sin and paid the wages of sin on our behalf.
 

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When Jesus was on the cross (and maybe before) did He take the punishment for our sins?
Hello Leeloving,

Did you get your question answered?
When I read some posts in other threads and have listened to some preachers, I can understand why you might ask this.
Most teach that Jesus suffered in our place to be punished for our sins, only to reverse that truth to tell people the opposite. That's why I wrongly thought as a boy that Jesus only made a down payment and we had to pay the rest. I thought my good had to outweigh my bad. I was also taught that sacraments imparted power to save....that is where my trust lied. It was a lie.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Ephesians 2

Faith in our good works, like keeping the laws? No.
100% Of your faith/trust/ believe must be in Jesus.

He said to a teacher if the O.T. laws about Himself,
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
John 3

Here is a brief, yet clear explanation.
If you want that gift of salvation from condemnation to hell; and if you want that gift of everlasting life, simply pray with a sincere heart at the end of the video.

The Gift From God
 

Artios1

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no you have no idea Jesus was was cut up that much so it was unnecessary to post it
Your right ....Because it very much could have been worse.
The lovely pics showing Jesus with a crown of thorns and a little blood trickling down ….that we have all become accustomed to …is heartwarming …but demonstrably wrong.

The things Jesus was subjected to… are in the Word ….The only thing you have to research are the instruments including the lorum, habena, scutica, stimulus, fustis, virga, catenae, and, finally, the flagrum and flagellum. Not to mention 2X the crown of thorns hammered into his head and the nails used at the cross.… Additionally I will include fists …..because a Roman Centurion … (to become a centurion) had to be able to kill a bull with one punch.
 

Fundaamental

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Your right ....Because it very much could have been worse.
The lovely pics showing Jesus with a crown of thorns and a little blood trickling down ….that we have all become accustomed to …is heartwarming …but demonstrably wrong.

The things Jesus was subjected to… are in the Word ….The only thing you have to research are the instruments including the lorum, habena, scutica, stimulus, fustis, virga, catenae, and, finally, the flagrum and flagellum. Not to mention 2X the crown of thorns hammered into his head and the nails used at the cross.… Additionally I will include fists …..because a Roman Centurion … (to become a centurion) had to be able to kill a bull with one punch.
sorry I don't agree with you, you still haven't provided a scripture that's says Jesus was punished for our sins, but only found some artists drawing showing how he was punished by the Romans.