Did Moses and Elijah rise from dead before Christ?
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Transitioned into what? HE WAS ALREADY RISEN FROM THE DEAD.
"He is not here, for He has risen, just as He said. Come, see the place where He was lying." -Matt 28:6
"if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection" Rom 6:5
"He is not here, for He has risen, just as He said. Come, see the place where He was lying." -Matt 28:6
"if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection" Rom 6:5
I know, that's why i have quoted Rom 6:5 about 4 times now.
The "he changed (after His resurrection)" is where you're adding to Scripture.
He was raised from the dead with a heavenly body (His corruptable form put on incorruption, and His mortal state put on immortality. Then He appeared to many before ascending back to the Father.
The "he changed (after His resurrection)" is where you're adding to Scripture.
He was raised from the dead with a heavenly body (His corruptable form put on incorruption, and His mortal state put on immortality. Then He appeared to many before ascending back to the Father.
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Was it male female Jew gentile?
Sorry, You can call it prideful. I can be stubborn. But what was it changed into seeing no man has received it yet?
They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:Hebrew 11:37-39
Elijah did not receive the promise of the parable . Elijah is used to represent the unseen power of the gospel he will arise on the last day just as any new creature.
I think its interesting .We all have heroes, men of renown and even of the faith. But its easy to forget the power to move was not of themselves just as us. I think of that as more of a parable "chariots" uplifting strengthening the promise to the old testament saints that he world open their graves when the time of reformation came. That prophecy was fulfilled when the promised glory did come. The veil remains rent.
I think its interesting. In the beginning of the list in Hebrew 11 popular names for the prophets kept getting lesser known and then he reveals he was hiding some in whom the world were not worthy of. The first will be last.
I think then the chances of venerating the saints if a person is, could be less as Christ increases .
Sorry, You can call it prideful. I can be stubborn. But what was it changed into seeing no man has received it yet?
They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:Hebrew 11:37-39
Elijah did not receive the promise of the parable . Elijah is used to represent the unseen power of the gospel he will arise on the last day just as any new creature.
I think its interesting .We all have heroes, men of renown and even of the faith. But its easy to forget the power to move was not of themselves just as us. I think of that as more of a parable "chariots" uplifting strengthening the promise to the old testament saints that he world open their graves when the time of reformation came. That prophecy was fulfilled when the promised glory did come. The veil remains rent.
I think its interesting. In the beginning of the list in Hebrew 11 popular names for the prophets kept getting lesser known and then he reveals he was hiding some in whom the world were not worthy of. The first will be last.
I think then the chances of venerating the saints if a person is, could be less as Christ increases .
One of those mysteries with many approaches under the the light of God's word we can have some success in seeking His approval . Something that will ruin (death through corruption) cannot have a part in something that never ruins.
I would ask. What kind of flesh did they have before the fall, before corruption as the result?
What the bodies were before the fall just as what will our new bodies be like?
No one knows what they were or what they will be.
The new creation is not a rebuild. The corruptible leading to death does not put on incorruption, a bandage .
The beginning is different than the first beginning. Not subject to the letter of the law death by corruption (dying) .
The new (neither male nor female, Jew nor Gentile) will not be made up of the old rudiments. Perhaps a new periodic Table element chart with a different foundation other than carbon base. No one knows.
Christ cannot be found under a microscope .
Their whole body soul, spirit and mind were under the letter of the law, death, the temporal .
I think prior to pride and the fall man was clothed with light showing the presence of God. God is light. That light vanished and their nakedness' the temporal corrupted was seen . They used fig leaves as if it was the light of God's presence. His glorious countenance shining brighter than the Sun . Fig leaves are for temporal healing in parables (all nations)
He knew what was on the other side of the fig leaves . He makes as our Faithful Creator our ears, eyes, and private parts.
Some say God slew a lamb rather than removing his glorious presence from their lives in order to show their nakedness (without God) .
Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them. Genesis 3;21
The glory departed . Referred to as Ichabod,
Coats of skin flesh without the spirits witness .
Moses gives witness coming down from Mount Sinai it used in that parable to represent the kingdom of God with God as the light. . Moses who represents the law of God coming from the presence of the glory of God . A veil to represent suffering flesh was needed. No man could see the face (presence) of God and live, we see him faith to faith . God is not a man .
Nothing about any lamb being slain again . The Son of God working with with the Father was slain from before the foundation of the world . It was demonstrated outwardly in the new testament much later than Genesis. Jesus corrupted flesh during that demonstration of Him and the father did not profit as a unseen work of one faith made possible by two .We continue to walk by faith the unseen eternal . The revealer of the unseen glory, our living hope.
Jesus' flesh and not his perfect spirit was signified as sinful in Romans. That was in order to do what the letter of the law "death " could not do. Create a new creature in respect to the lamb of God . . . again was already slain before the foundation.
Before the fall not a after thought that leads to a action .
The veil representing the corrupted flesh of Christ is rent from the top to the bottom . The promised glory to follow the demonstration of the sufferings of Christ beforehand. A blessing to those who do walk by faith . From that unseen glorious understanding to the same. face to face to a believer. who does have the treasure of the unseen power of His glory.
Like David in the Psalms lifted up his God. Glory Glory glory . Three to denote a end of the matter.
2 Corinthians 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
I would ask. What kind of flesh did they have before the fall, before corruption as the result?
What the bodies were before the fall just as what will our new bodies be like?
No one knows what they were or what they will be.
The new creation is not a rebuild. The corruptible leading to death does not put on incorruption, a bandage .
The beginning is different than the first beginning. Not subject to the letter of the law death by corruption (dying) .
The new (neither male nor female, Jew nor Gentile) will not be made up of the old rudiments. Perhaps a new periodic Table element chart with a different foundation other than carbon base. No one knows.
Christ cannot be found under a microscope .
Their whole body soul, spirit and mind were under the letter of the law, death, the temporal .
I think prior to pride and the fall man was clothed with light showing the presence of God. God is light. That light vanished and their nakedness' the temporal corrupted was seen . They used fig leaves as if it was the light of God's presence. His glorious countenance shining brighter than the Sun . Fig leaves are for temporal healing in parables (all nations)
He knew what was on the other side of the fig leaves . He makes as our Faithful Creator our ears, eyes, and private parts.
Some say God slew a lamb rather than removing his glorious presence from their lives in order to show their nakedness (without God) .
Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them. Genesis 3;21
The glory departed . Referred to as Ichabod,
Coats of skin flesh without the spirits witness .
Moses gives witness coming down from Mount Sinai it used in that parable to represent the kingdom of God with God as the light. . Moses who represents the law of God coming from the presence of the glory of God . A veil to represent suffering flesh was needed. No man could see the face (presence) of God and live, we see him faith to faith . God is not a man .
Nothing about any lamb being slain again . The Son of God working with with the Father was slain from before the foundation of the world . It was demonstrated outwardly in the new testament much later than Genesis. Jesus corrupted flesh during that demonstration of Him and the father did not profit as a unseen work of one faith made possible by two .We continue to walk by faith the unseen eternal . The revealer of the unseen glory, our living hope.
Jesus' flesh and not his perfect spirit was signified as sinful in Romans. That was in order to do what the letter of the law "death " could not do. Create a new creature in respect to the lamb of God . . . again was already slain before the foundation.
Before the fall not a after thought that leads to a action .
The veil representing the corrupted flesh of Christ is rent from the top to the bottom . The promised glory to follow the demonstration of the sufferings of Christ beforehand. A blessing to those who do walk by faith . From that unseen glorious understanding to the same. face to face to a believer. who does have the treasure of the unseen power of His glory.
Like David in the Psalms lifted up his God. Glory Glory glory . Three to denote a end of the matter.
2 Corinthians 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Why not?
Jesus did the exactly that, He added an earthly nature to His being. (The humanity of Jesus...which he did not have until His incarnation)
He didn't replace His nature, he added to His nature.
In other words, Jesus' Incarnation wasn't a downgrade, He added humanity to His nature.
The change that our glorified body will inevitably be the inverse of His change.
I somewhat agree with this. What I was getting at was that “they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings.” (Genesis 3:7). It begs the question. What were they clothed with? I have an opinion, but its probably not important to our discussion.
Bible aside...This statement contradicts itself.
If something is rebuilt, then nothing is added to the original (because the original is done away with).
If something isn't rebuilt, then something is added to the original (because it is an improvement or the original).
“For this corruptible must put on the incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.” (1 Corinthians 15:53)
Are you suggesting that we are 4-part beings? Or are you using a synonym?
YES! I totally believe that too. haha that was the "opinion i just mentioned".
Are you saying that the Genesis account was a parable?
Exactly. That's the point of 1 Corinthians 15: Resurrection....our new permanent clothing so we can be in the presence of God forever.
That is somewhat true. God allowed Moses to see His Back, but not His face. ““Then I will take My hand away and you shall see My back, but My face shall not be seen.”” (Exodus 33:23)
This is a perfect compliment of 1 Cor 15.
Everything else you said, I agree with. Well written comment overall
Jesus did the exactly that, He added an earthly nature to His being. (The humanity of Jesus...which he did not have until His incarnation)
He didn't replace His nature, he added to His nature.
In other words, Jesus' Incarnation wasn't a downgrade, He added humanity to His nature.
The change that our glorified body will inevitably be the inverse of His change.
I somewhat agree with this. What I was getting at was that “they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings.” (Genesis 3:7). It begs the question. What were they clothed with? I have an opinion, but its probably not important to our discussion.
Bible aside...This statement contradicts itself.
If something is rebuilt, then nothing is added to the original (because the original is done away with).
If something isn't rebuilt, then something is added to the original (because it is an improvement or the original).
“For this corruptible must put on the incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.” (1 Corinthians 15:53)
Are you suggesting that we are 4-part beings? Or are you using a synonym?
YES! I totally believe that too. haha that was the "opinion i just mentioned".
Are you saying that the Genesis account was a parable?
Exactly. That's the point of 1 Corinthians 15: Resurrection....our new permanent clothing so we can be in the presence of God forever.
That is somewhat true. God allowed Moses to see His Back, but not His face. ““Then I will take My hand away and you shall see My back, but My face shall not be seen.”” (Exodus 33:23)
This is a perfect compliment of 1 Cor 15.
Everything else you said, I agree with. Well written comment overall