Did the Angel Gabriel announce the Name Yeshua or Jesus?

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ResidentAlien

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All I know is the New Testament writers saw fit to record His name in Greek and everyone knew who they were talking about. Now, thousands of years later, some Judaizers want to usurp God's word. The more things change the more they stay the same.
 

JaumeJ

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The "New Testament Writers." This is stated as if they were aware of the New Testament which was complied much after Jesus Yeshua ascended to the right hand of the Father.
Yes it was recorded in the Greek of thae time, however the writings, originals, are not known to have been such, simply a surmisal.
It is certain the Priests up until and after our Lord's first coming learned, spoke and taught in the Hebrew of the time for no country, simply changes to an invading forces language like some kind of magic. All of this is not proven,nor can it be, so it is not aithful to the Word to say it is. Where in the Word does it say it must be changed dto Greek?
 
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The "New Testament Writers." This is stated as if they were aware of the New Testament which was complied much after Jesus Yeshua ascended to the right hand of the Father.
Yes it was recorded in the Greek of thae time, however the writings, originals, are not known to have been such, simply a surmisal.
It is certain the Priests up until and after our Lord's first coming learned, spoke and taught in the Hebrew of the time for no country, simply changes to an invading forces language like some kind of magic. All of this is not proven,nor can it be, so it is not aithful to the Word to say it is. Where in the Word does it say it must be changed dto Greek?
There are fragments of the Gospel Of Mark..that are thought to be AUTOGRAPH Hand written by Mark...IN THE GREEK LANGUAGE...
 

JaumeJ

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I do not doubt that one or more of the Apostles was educated to write in Greek to the Greeks.
 

JaumeJ

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I believe Yeshua was named my Redeemer Yah. Or Yeshia. My Redeemer is Yeshi or as we would say, Jesse.
Jesse was the father of the beloved, and beloved is David in Hebrew. This is not some kind of Hebrew lesson, no, but it iis sharing some utranslatsed words.... If this is Judaizing, guilty, and always will be. You see the Hebrews were not just Jews, they were and are Twelve Tribes, Gentiles began teaching aginst this helful knowledge.
 

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I believe Yeshua was named my Redeemer Yah. Or Yeshia. My Redeemer is Yeshi or as we would say, Jesse.
Jesse was the father of the beloved, and beloved is David in Hebrew. This is not some kind of Hebrew lesson, no, but it iis sharing some utranslatsed words.... If this is Judaizing, guilty, and always will be. You see the Hebrews were not just Jews, they were and are Twelve Tribes, Gentiles began teaching aginst this helful knowledge.
Thank you.
 

Nehemiah6

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Yes it was recorded in the Greek of the time, however the writings, originals, are not known to have been such, simply a surmisal.
Actually the overwhelming evidence is that God caused the Hebrew writers of the Gospels to record everything in GREEK in the original manuscripts. This was by divine inspiration, and had the originals not been in Greek, we would not have thousands of Greek manuscripts!

Why did God choose Greek? Because the Gospel was to be spread throughout the Roman empire, and Greek was the lingua franca of the Roman empire. Even non-Palestinian Jews are called "Greeks" in the NT, since they adopted Greek as their language. Hence the corrupt Septuagint (LXX) was in Greek.

"The Greek language spread throughout North Africa and the eastern Mediterranean after the conquest of Alexander the Great in the 4th century BC. After his death, his Empire was divided up and became kingdoms ruled by his Greek-speaking generals. These generals created Greek-speaking royal courts, where Greek-Macedonian culture was maintained. When the Romans conquered these kingdoms, they made no attempt to change the official language to Latin. The Romans often admired the Greek culture, and many educated Romans and emperors studied Greek themselves..."

In any event the fact remains that the whole world is familiar with the name JESUS. Christian missionaries and churches took the name of Jesus to every part of the world. So now some people are trying to rewrite history to obliterate a historical fact.
 

JaumeJ

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Actually they just as well could have been Greek translations from Hebrew.. Why is everyone so anxious to steal away from our true forefathers? And to naysay them all? It is a pity.
 

Pilgrimshope

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All I know is the New Testament writers saw fit to record His name in Greek and everyone knew who they were talking about. Now, thousands of years later, some Judaizers want to usurp God's word. The more things change the more they stay the same.
because brother God has foreknowledge he understood perfectly that the Greek language would dominate that ancient world then and spread across the globe becoming the root of modern English which is a big part of the worlds population that speaks exclusively English , in those days remember Greece had dominated the world for very long time it’s culture and language mixed with most every culture of that ancient world which eventually led to the Roman Empire and all of its great fluencies upon modern culture today

what I mean is for God to fulfill this

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The gospel has to be preached in every nations language it would do no one any good to go around preaching in ancient samarian of ancient Hebrew no one speaks that language in the world unite really of course some few do but you can’t preach the good news of God to every creetiee and give them a chance to be saved if they can’t understand what your saying

it seems simple if a person is a Hebrew speaker they would say “ yeshua “ and if someone is a Greek or by of the many rooted languages in Greek like English we would say “ Jesus “ because of the different letters and sounds we have in the modern English language.

all I mean to say is it’s not a different name it’s the same name in a different language the one God knew would spread across and dominate the modern world until his return.



the thing is the Old Testament was written exclusively to Israelites , it has a lot about everyone else in it but it was only God speaking to Hebrew people beginning at moses so of course the ot is going to be in thier languages


But the New Testament came at a time when Rome was influencing the world and Greece had already dominated for long time the Greek language would spread across the world and so the New Testament would be written in Greek to all nations where that language would go and influence and be known

because of who the New Testament is actually written to it was written in Greek because that language god foreknew would reach out to the ends of the earth and witness

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you have this dynamic in the ot when the message was only to israel after this happened

“And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭11:1, 6-8‬ ‭

about when the gospel is sent out to all people from Jerusalem ( who spoke - mix of Aramaic , Hebrew and even most understood greek by now )

But the opposite effect happened one message is manifest in many languages by God

“Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilæans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:6-8, 11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Jesus knows who we are talking to , if we think we need to say the Hebrew form of his name for him to hear it seems like someone would have said that in the scripture

“ see To it no one deceives you Greek speaking gentiles make sure you learn Hebrew and speak Hebrew forms of names those “j “sounds are wicked “


Greek would be what spread abroad to witness the gospel so I personally think the Greek form of his name is just perfect or the Hebrew form of one insists also perfectly fine he cares more about whether we’re sincere and live the talk
 
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The object is to arrive at the Truth. The prophecies concerning the Son were given in Hebrew. Many of His prayers are recorded in Psalms in Hebrew. His extensive prayer for life in Psalm 119 to be raised from the dead after He offered His life as a Sacrifice to save us is in Hebrew. The word meanings and sounds throughout His prayers have precise meaning and revelation about Him and Who He is and what He did and How He did it.

It is no mistake that mitzVAH means commandments or authoritative Word. He uses the Word mitzVAH a number of times in Psalm 119 because His obedience to the commandments in offering His life to save us is what saved Him from death. MitzVAH also confirms that the last syllable in YAHAVAH is indeed VAH which means Word and command. The Holy Name was nearly completely hidden and altered in the translations of both the OT and the NT. The OT proves beyond any doubt that Yahshua is the Son of YAH Who accomplished His Father's will and continues to do so.
 

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The object is to arrive at the Truth. The prophecies concerning the Son were given in Hebrew. Many of His prayers are recorded in Psalms in Hebrew. His extensive prayer for life in Psalm 119 to be raised from the dead after He offered His life as a Sacrifice to save us is in Hebrew. The word meanings and sounds throughout His prayers have precise meaning and revelation about Him and Who He is and what He did and How He did it.

It is no mistake that mitzVAH means commandments or authoritative Word. He uses the Word mitzVAH a number of times in Psalm 119 because His obedience to the commandments in offering His life to save us is what saved Him from death. MitzVAH also confirms that the last syllable in YAHAVAH is indeed VAH which means Word and command. The Holy Name was nearly completely hidden and altered in the translations of both the OT and the NT. The OT proves beyond any doubt that Yahshua is the Son of YAH Who accomplished His Father's will and continues to do so.
“The object is to arrive at the Truth. The prophecies concerning the Son were given in Hebrew. Many of His prayers are recorded in Psalms in Hebrew. His extensive prayer for life in Psalm 119 to be raised from the dead after He offered His life as a Sacrifice to save us is in Hebrew.”

the truth is those things are written in Hebrew because they were the only people God spoke with in the Old Testament after he created different languages and scattered the nations in genesis 11. Of course the entire old testament is written in Hebrew originally they are the Hebrew Scriptures it’s what defines thier nation as a nation it’s thier existence as a nation really he wasn’t communicating verbally with gentiles at the time so he is t going to have then write in English or Greek

just as th ot is written in Hebrew because it’s written to them for them about them

the nt is written in Greek because it’s written to all people and that language the Greek and not the ancient Hebrew is what went into the world carrying the message to all nations
 
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evyaniy

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Do a search on the word "Name" in the OT and the NT and see how important His Name is to Him.
 
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Rev 19:13 And He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and His Name is called The Word of EL.

Rev 22:4 And they shall see His face; and His Name shall be in their foreheads.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Do a search on the word "Name" in the OT and the NT and see how important His Name is to Him.
Who’s saying it’s not

“Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

no one has said Gods name isn’t important to him some are insisting one speaks ancient Hebrew and pronounces his name in that dialect , that’s the debate do you need to say his name is the Hebrew language for him to honor it ?

another whether his name is important of course his name is important to him but moreso to us it’s relatively simple people don’t all speak in Hebrew lol the English speaking worlds language is rooted in Greek to say the Hebrew name “ yeshua “ in the Greek tongue sounds like “ Jesus “

this isn’t a deception it’s just a matter of the letters and sounds available in either language

Its no different than this ot

“Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭4:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

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“And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come? And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought. But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭9:11-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

elijah in the Hebrew , Elias in the Greek it’s not a different name brother it’s a different language with different sounds made by different letters it’s translation and the mechanism of how it works

There aren’t j sounds in Hebrew it sounds like “yeh” instead of “Jee” if I said your name in Hebrew there’s a good chance given the letters it’s going to sound different d be spelled dofferent in Hebrew but it isn’t a different name it’s your name being said in someone else’s language