Dietary Law?

[john832]

Acts 10:10-15

10 And he became hungry and wanted something to eat, but while they were preparing it, he fell into a trance 11 and sawthe heavens opened and something like a great sheet descending, being let down by its four corners upon the earth. 12 In it were all kinds of animals and reptiles and birds of the air. 13 And there came a voice to him: “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.” 14 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.” 15 And the voice came to him again a second time, “What God has made clean, do not call common.”





1 Timothy 4:1-5


4Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

As for Acts 10, why didn't Peter get the message?

Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

And when he did, it wasn't about meat at all?

Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Please show me in this account where Peter says "Wonderful, God has made pork and shrimp clean to eat". He never refers to food once in his explanations of the account.

 

[ardchoille]

I changed my diet to comply with Leviticus 11 and ended up dropping a lot of body weight (from 275 to 140). I am 51 years old, no allergies or medical problems, I'm on no medications, blood pressure is 110 over 78 (excellent), and I've never felt better!

 

[ELECT]

None of the laws is voided, but it seems under Grace we can and do eat what we want. But doctor's now know there is a good reason for not eating the things listed in the old testament. Probably would not hurt us to follow it actually.

[h=1]Deuteronomy 12:15King James Version (KJV)[/h]15 Notwithstanding thou mayest kill and eat flesh in all thy gates, whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, according to the blessing of the Lord thy God which he hath given thee: the unclean and the clean may eat thereof, as of the roebuck, and as of the hart.

 

[john832]

I changed my diet to comply with Leviticus 11 and ended up dropping a lot of body weight (from 275 to 140). I am 51 years old, no allergies or medical problems, I'm on no medications, blood pressure is 110 over 78 (excellent), and I've never felt better!

Works, doesn't it?

 

[john832]

Deuteronomy 12:15King James Version (KJV)

15 Notwithstanding thou mayest kill and eat flesh in all thy gates, whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, according to the blessing of the Lord thy God which he hath given thee: the unclean and the clean may eat thereof, as of the roebuck, and as of the hart.

Not sure what you mean by this.

 

[ELECT]

Jesus said it is not what goes into the belly that defiles but what comes out of the heart.

Strain the gnat and swallow the camel.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Is it lawful for Christians to eat blood and smoke ? Since not what goes in defiles a man or do theses things defile a man ?

 

[Hizikyah]

What scholars? I just sent a link to images of the NT manuscripts. You don't have to be a scholar to look at the text of Mark 7:29 and compare to the manuscripts of Mark 7:19 and see if they match. The earliest one of Mark 7:19 is P45. Yes, they match. The next step would be to look at the major uncials (Sinaiticus, Vaticanus, Alexandrinus, Ephraemi, and Bezae) and see if they match.

This isn't particularly hard. Sure a little time consuming, but essentially all you have to do is see if they match.

Mark 7:19 Text Analysis
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[TD="class: top, width: 21%"]English[/TD]
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[TD="class: translit"]hoti[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ὅτι[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]because[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Conj[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]3756 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]ouk[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]οὐκ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]not[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Adv[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]1531 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]eisporeuetai[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]εἰσπορεύεται[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]it enters[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]V-PIM/P-3S[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]846 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]autou[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]αὐτοῦ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]of him[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]PPro-GM3S[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]1519 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]eis[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]εἰς[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]into[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Prep[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]3588 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]tēn[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]τὴν[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]the[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Art-AFS[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]2588 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]kardian[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]καρδίαν[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]heart,[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]N-AFS[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]235 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]all’[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ἀλλ’[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]but[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Conj[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]1519 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]eis[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]εἰς[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]into[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Prep[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]3588 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]tēn[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]τὴν[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]the[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Art-AFS[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]2836 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]koilian[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]κοιλίαν,[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]belly,[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]N-AFS[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]2532 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]kai[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]καὶ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]and[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Conj[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]1519 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]eis[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]εἰς[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]into[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Prep[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]3588 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]ton[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]τὸν[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]the[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Art-AMS[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]856 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]aphedrōna[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ἀφεδρῶνα[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]draught[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]N-AMS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1607 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]ekporeuetai[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ἐκπορεύεται,[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]goes out.[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]V-PIM/P-3S[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]2511 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]katharizōn[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]καθαρίζων[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]purifying[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]V-PPA-NMS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3956 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]panta[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]πάντα[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]all[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Adj-ANP[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]3588 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]ta[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]τὰ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]the[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Art-ANP[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]1033 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]brōmata[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]βρώματα;[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]food.[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]N-ANP[/TD]
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"thus Jesus declared all foods clean" NOT THERE....

Mark 7:19 ►Parallel Verses
New International Version
For it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

New Living Translation
Food doesn't go into your heart, but only passes through the stomach and then goes into the sewer." (By saying this, he declared that every kind of food is acceptable in God's eyes.)

English Standard Version
since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.)

New American Standard Bible
because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" (Thus He declared all foods clean.)

King James Bible
Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For it doesn't go into his heart but into the stomach and is eliminated." (As a result, He made all foods clean.)

International Standard Version
Because it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then into the sewer, thereby expelling all foods."

NET Bible
For it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and then goes out into the sewer." (This means all foods are clean.)

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“Because it does not enter his heart, but his belly, and is discharged by excretion, which purifies all foods.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation
It doesn't go into his thoughts but into his stomach and then into a toilet." (By saying this, Jesus declared all foods acceptable.)

Jubilee Bible 2000
Because it enters not into his heart, but into the belly, and the man goes out to the privy and purges all foods.

King James 2000 Bible
Because it enters not into his heart, but into the belly, and goes out into the drain, purging all foods?

American King James Version
Because it enters not into his heart, but into the belly, and goes out into the draught, purging all meats?

American Standard Version
because it goeth not into his heart, but into his belly, and goeth out into the draught? This he said , making all meats clean.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Because it entereth not into his heart, but goeth into the belly, and goeth out into the privy, purging all meats?

Darby Bible Translation
because it does not enter into his heart but into his belly, and goes out into the draught, purging all meats?

English Revised Version
because it goeth not into his heart, but into his belly, and goeth out into the draught? This he said, making all meats clean.

Webster's Bible Translation
Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all kinds of food.

Weymouth New Testament
because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and passes away ejected from him?" By these words Jesus pronounced all kinds of food clean.

World English Bible
because it doesn't go into his heart, but into his stomach, then into the latrine, thus purifying all foods?"

Young's Literal Translation
because it doth not enter into his heart, but into the belly, and into the drain it doth go out, purifying all the meats.'

If we consider context its about a pharisee hand washing ritual...... if we ignore context...the ham is cured!

Passover Lamb or Ishtar ham?

Mark 7:

1 Then the Pharisees and certain scribes came together to Him, having come from Yerusalem.

2 And when they saw some of His disciples eating bread with defiled-that is to say, unwashed--hands, they found fault.

3 (Now the Pharisees, and the Yahdaim generally, never eat without washing their hands, holding the tradition of the elders.

4 And when they come from the marketplaces, they do not eat unless they wash. And many other traditions they observe, such as the ritual washing of cups, pots, bronze utensils, and beds.)

5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him; Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?

6 He answered, and said to them: Well has Isayah prophesied of you hypocrites--as it is written: This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.

7 But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commandments of men.

8 For laying aside the Law of Yahweh, you hold the tradition of men!

9 Then He said to them: How well you reject the Law of Yahweh, so that you may keep your own tradition!

 

[ardchoille]

Works, doesn't it?

Indeed it does. There is much to be said for living life according to God's word.

 

[ELECT]

Not sure what you mean by this.

Deuteronomy 12:15King James Version (KJV)

15 Notwithstanding thou mayest kill and eat flesh in all thy gates, whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, according to the blessing of the Lord thy God which he hath given thee: the unclean and the clean may eat thereof, as of the roebuck, and as of the hart.

 

[ELECT]

What scholars? I just sent a link to images of the NT manuscripts. You don't have to be a scholar to look at the text of Mark 7:29 and compare to the manuscripts of Mark 7:19 and see if they match. The earliest one of Mark 7:19 is P45. Yes, they match. The next step would be to look at the major uncials (Sinaiticus, Vaticanus, Alexandrinus, Ephraemi, and Bezae) and see if they match.

This isn't particularly hard. Sure a little time consuming, but essentially all you have to do is see if they match.

Will you eat blood or things strangled ?

 

[john832]

Deuteronomy 12:15King James Version (KJV)

15 Notwithstanding thou mayest kill and eat flesh in all thy gates, whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, according to the blessing of the Lord thy God which he hath given thee: the unclean and the clean may eat thereof, as of the roebuck, and as of the hart.

Yes, whether a person is clean or unclean, they may eat of the flesh but I am a little dense today, I don't quite get the reference.

 

[Hizikyah]

He answered, and said to them: Well has Isayah prophesied of you hypocrites--as it is written: This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.

 

[ELECT]

Acts 10:10-15

10 And he became hungry and wanted something to eat, but while they were preparing it, he fell into a trance 11 and sawthe heavens opened and something like a great sheet descending, being let down by its four corners upon the earth. 12 In it were all kinds of animals and reptiles and birds of the air. 13 And there came a voice to him: “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.” 14 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.” 15 And the voice came to him again a second time, “What God has made clean, do not call common.”





1 Timothy 4:1-5


4Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

What does sanctify means ? When something is sanctified what does that mean ? what sanctifies Christians ?

 

[ELECT]

Yes, whether a person is clean or unclean, they may eat of the flesh but I am a little dense today, I don't quite get the reference.

Is a roeback and a hart clean or unclean ?

 

[john832]

Is a roeback and a hart clean or unclean ?

They are clean. The verse is not talking about clean or unclean meats, it is referring to whether a person is clean or unclean. Either way, they could eat of the flesh.

 

[Reborn]

"Thus Jesus declared all foods clean" IS NOT IN ANY ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPT AND WAS ADDED;

Well brother Hiz, what are the odds, and out of all days?
One we disagree on.

Mark 7: 18-19 sums it up for me.
It says what it says even with/in context/scriptural adjacency.
Sorry.

Food as we know it today didn't have all that goofy "unhealthy" stuff added to it, until 50 or so years ago.
Food was just food -to keep us alive.
It is MAN who demanded that we eat healthy, and to workout to "live longer".

To say my, and billions of Bible's in circulation "has it wrong" on the subject of diet IS the clever doctrine of demons man.
satan doesn't want to prove the whole Bible is wrong at once....he wants us to debate the little things, if we pick and pick and pick apart the "un-original manuscript/ Bibles", (all versions) that btw, land into the common man's hands,....... eventually the ENTIRE BIBLE will seem unreliable to us.

The big picture.

Clever if you ask me?

 

[Hizikyah]

Deuteronomy 12:15King James Version (KJV)

15 Notwithstanding thou mayest kill and eat flesh in all thy gates, whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, according to the blessing of the Lord thy God which he hath given thee: the unclean and the clean may eat thereof, as of the roebuck, and as of the hart.

commentary:

Thou mayest kill and eat flesh, to wit, for thy common use and food.

In all thy gates, i.e. thy cities or dwellings.

Whatsoever thy soul lusteth after; what you shall desire either for quantity or quality, provided always you observe the laws given you elsewhere about avoiding excess and uncleanness in the things you eat.

Which he hath given thee, according to thy quality and estate; whereby he manifestly condemns those who profusely and riotously spend other men’s money, and live at a rate which their consciences know to be much above their ability; which certainly is an ungodly and unrighteous, though too common, practice.

The unclean, who is forbidden to eat of holy meats, Leviticus 7:20. (but the person who eats of the flesh of the sacrifice of the LORD’s peace offerings while an uncleanness is on him, that person shall be cut off from his people.)

May eat thereof, to wit, of any sort of creatures, even of those sorts which are offered to God in sacrifices, which are as free to your use as the

roebuck and the

hart, which were not accepted in sacrifice, Leviticus 22:19; yet were clean beasts, Deu 14:5; and therefore here is a tacit exception of unclean beasts.

 

[oldthennew]

as for me and my house,

we will eat what is defined in the Word of God as clean in order to nourish our bodies and live -

as it is written, 'one jot or one tittle shall not pass....

 

[john832]

Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

 

[Hizikyah]

Well brother Hiz, what are the odds, and out of all days?
One we disagree on.

Mark 7: 18-19 sums it up for me.
It says what it says even with/in context/scriptural adjacency.
Sorry.

Food as we know it today didn't have all that goofy "unhealthy" stuff added to it, until 50 or so years ago.
Food was just food -to keep us alive.
It is MAN who demanded that we eat healthy, and to workout to "live longer".

To say my, and billions of Bible's in circulation "has it wrong" on the subject of diet IS the clever doctrine of demons man.
satan doesn't want to prove the whole Bible is wrong at once....he wants us to debate the little things, if we pick and pick and pick apart the "unoriginal manuscripts Bibles", that btw, land into the common man's hands,....... eventually the ENTIRE BIBLE will seem unreliable to us.

The big picture.

Clever if you ask me?

If there are different versions of Mark that read differently all version can not be correct. To me its like saying because they made a latin vulgate and called it Mark it has to be true..... I cant go there.

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[TD="class: translit"]dir-šū[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]דִּרְשׁ֨וּ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]Seek you[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Verb[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]5921 [e][/TD]
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[TD="class: translit"]sê-p̄er[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]סֵ֤פֶר[/TD]
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[TD="class: translit"]Yah-weh[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]יְהוָה֙[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]of the LORD[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]7121 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]ū-qə-rā-’ū,[/TD]
[TD="class: hebrew2"]וּֽקְרָ֔אוּ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]and read[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Verb[/TD]
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