Dietary Law?

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Dietary Law: Yes or No?

  • Yes, Law is still in place

    Votes: 6 37.5%
  • No, I can eat what I want

    Votes: 10 62.5%

  • Total voters
    16
  • Poll closed .

Hizikyah

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1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, 3who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer.
King James Bible


1 Timothy 4:3, "Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth."

Genesis 7:1-2, "Then Yahweh said to Noah: Come into the ark, you and all your household, for I have seen you righteous before Me in this generation. You shall take with you seven pairs of every clean animal, a male and his female; two of animals that are unclean, a male and his female;"

The Creator Created this, demons did not create this:

Lev 11"And Yahweh spoke..; These are the animals you may eat among all the beasts upon the land" "You shall not make yourselves abominable with any creature that moves about on the ground. Do not defile yourselves by means of them, nor be made unclean by them. I am Yahweh your Heavenly Father. You shall therefore consecrate and sanctify yourselves, and you shall be holy; for I am holy. Neither shall you defile yourselves with any creature that moves about on the ground." "This is the Law of the animals, and the birds, and every living thing that moves in the waters, and every creature that moves about on the ground. You must distinguish between the unclean and the clean--between the animal that may be eaten, and the animal that may not be eaten."

Isayah:16 For by fire and by His sword will Yahweh plead with all flesh; and the slain of Yahweh will be many. 17 They who sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens, following after the priest (ONE in the center) in the midst of those who eat swine's flesh, that which is offered to gods and the rodent--will be consumed together: says Yahweh. For I know their works and their thoughts. It will come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they will come and see My glory.

The Hebrew text renders this phrase: following the one in the center, rather than: one behind the other, as in the KJv. This ONE in the center is an idolatrous PRIEST or PREACHER. A Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament by Julius Furst, Page 1463.


God created to be received with thanksgiving
You shall take with you seven pairs of every clean animal, a male and his female; two of animals that are unclean
You must distinguish between the unclean and the clean--between the animal that may be eaten, and the animal that may not be eaten
God created to be received with thanksgiving

Are There Deadly Superbugs in Your Pork?
Are There Deadly Superbugs in Your Pork?



The Unsavory Side of Pork

The pork and swine industry has been continually plagued, and continues to be so to this day, by a wide variety of hazardous and deadly infections and diseases, including:

PRRS -- A horrendous disease, which I first reported on in 2001, but which had been a nightmare for many nations since the mid-1980s, is still alive and kicking today.

At one point referred to as "swine mystery disease," "blue abortion," and "swine infertility," the disease was finally named "Porcine Reproductive and Respiratory Syndrome” (PRRS), and may afflict about 75 percent of American pig herds.

The PRRS virus primarily attacks the pig’s immune system, leaving its body open to a host of infections, particularly in the lungs. Initial research revealed that the virus was transmitted via semen, saliva and blood, leaving pigs herded closely together and transported in close quarters by trucks more susceptible to infection.

However, according to new research presented at the 2007 International PRRS Symposium shows that the disease is now airborne, making eradication efforts very difficult. According to the PRRS Coordinated Agricultural Project (CAP) and the National Pork Board, it is still the most economically significant disease of swine in the U.S.

The Nipah Virus – Discovered in 1999, the Nipah virus has caused disease in both animals and humans, through contact with infected animals. In humans, the virus can lead to deadly encephalitis (an acute inflammation of your brain). I originally reported on this virus in 2000, but according to CDC data, the Nipah virus reemerged again in 2004.

Hepatitis E (HEV) – According to the Mayo Clinic and an article in the Journal of Clinical Biology, pork may be the reservoir responsible for sporadic, locally acquired cases of acute hepatitis reported in regions with relatively mild climates as HEV has been found to transmit between swine and humans.

Porcine Endogenous Retrovirus (PERV) – According to a study in the journal Lancet, this virus can spread to people receiving pig organ transplants, and according to test tube studies, PERV strains does have the ability to infect human cells. PERV genes are scattered throughout pigs' genetic material, and researchers have found that pig heart, spleen and kidney cells release various strains of the virus.

Menangle Virus – In 1998, the journal Emerging Infectious Diseases reported that a new virus infecting pigs was able to jump to humans. The menangle virus was discovered in August 1997 when sows at an Australian piggery began giving birth to deformed and mummified piglets.


Trichinosis
Gale Encyclopedia of Medicine, 3rd ed. | 2006 | Carson-DeWitt, Rosalyn | Copyright
Definition:Trichinosis is a disease caused by a roundworm (nematode) called Trichinella spiralis. An individual worm of this species is called a trichina, from the Greek word meaning "hairlike." Trichinae can be readily avoided by proper handling and cooking of certain meats, particularly pork products.
Description

The life cycle of T. spiralis includes several different stages. The adult trichina lives in the intestinal lining of such meat-eating animals as swine, bears, walrus, and rodents. After mating, the male worm dies while the female goes on to produce the offspring.

Roundworms have a stage of development called the embryonic stage, which in many species occurs after birth. In trichinae, however, this embryonic stage occurs within the uterus of the female, so the offspring that are ultimately discharged into the host's intestinal lining are in the larval second stage of life. These larvae—about 1500 from each female worm—travel through the circulatory system to the heart, then through the blood vessels leading to striated muscle (the muscle of the skeletal system and the heart). Most larvae that cannot find suitable locations in striated muscle will die.

Those larvae that reach striated muscle will grow to a length of about one millimeter, coil themselves, and enclose themselves within a protective wall called a cyst. This process is referred to as encysting. The worms in the cysts can live for up to ten years in this form.

A pig that has been infected with T. spiralis, then, has thousands of cysts lying dormant within its muscles—the very muscles that humans look forward to consuming in the form of pork chops, ham, barbecued ribs, etc. When humans sit down to a delicious meal of undercooked, trichina-infected pig dinner, they are ingesting T. spiralis cysts. The cyst walls are broken down by the usual process of food digestion in the stomach, allowing the larvae to escape into the new host's intestines. There the larvae mature to become adult worms, capable of producing a new crop of larvae. When these new larvae hatch, they begin their migration throughout the human host's bloodstream to his or her muscles, where they live for a short while before encysting.
Causes and symptoms

Human hosts who eat meat infested with trichinae may experience symptoms in varying degrees. If the meat ingested has only a few cysts, then the human host's load of parasites (worm burden) is said to be relatively small, and symptoms will be moderate. In fact, many trichinosis infections are subclinical, which means that the symptoms are so mild that the infection remains undiagnosed. In a host with a greater worm burden, the initial symptoms will be caused by the presence of the adult worms in the intestine. These symptoms usually include fever, diarrhea, abdominal pain, and perhaps vomiting. The symptoms begin about one to two days after eating the contaminated meat, and may last for a week or so.

When the larvae begin their migration through the blood vessels, the host will begin to experience symptoms that affect the whole body (systemic symptoms), such as fever; swelling of the face and the area around the eyes; rash; bleeding into the nail beds, retina, and whites of the eyes; and cough. In very severe cases of trichinosis, inflammation of the heart muscle (myocarditis ), lungs (pneumonitis), or brain (encephalitis) may occur. These symptoms can lead to the few deaths caused by trichinosis.

The larvae begin to burrow into the host's muscles and form cysts within two to three weeks of the initial infection. This encysting produces signs of muscle inflammation (myositis) including swelling of the affected muscle groups, pain, and weakness. The most frequently affected muscles are the muscles outside the eye (extraocular muscles) that control eye movements; the muscles of the jaw, neck, and upper arm (biceps muscle); the muscles of the lower back (lumbar region); and the diaphragm, which is the muscle that separates the abdominal and chest cavities and aids in breathing.

The symptoms of trichinosis are at their most severe at about three weeks after infection, and decrease very slowly in their severity. Recovery is extremely gradual, and symptoms may last for as long as three months. Fatigue and muscle pain (myalgia) may take several more months to subside.
Diagnosis

An initial diagnosis of trichinosis relies heavily on the presence of its classic symptoms—swelling around the eyes, muscle inflammation, fever, and high levels of a certain type of white blood cell (eosinophils)—coupled with the patient's history. If the patient reports having eaten undercooked meat from an animal known to be a potential carrier of trichinosis, the doctor may order a muscle biopsy to confirm the diagnosis. By the third or fourth week of infection, muscle biopsies usually indicate the presence of larvae. Stool tests rarely reveal adult worms, although larvae can sometimes be found in blood or duodenal washings after the second week of infection. The blood test that is the most specific for trichinosis is the bentonite flocculation (BF) test.

T. spiralis can infect a number of different animal species used for food. The most common food culprit in the United States has been pork sausage, while outbreaks in Europe have caused by wild boar and horse meat. Outbreaks of trichinosis in Asia and Africa have been traced to dog meat, and outbreaks in Northern Canada have resulted from consumption of walrus and bear meat.
Treatment
Supportive care

Treatment of trichinosis is primarily aimed at decreasing the severity of the symptoms. Symptomatic relief includes bed rest and medications to relieve fever and muscle pain. The medications most commonly given are aspirin and nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs). Steroids such as prednisone (Deltasone, Meticorten) are reserved for the most severe cases of muscle inflammation, or for complicated cases that include myocarditis.
Anthelminthic medications

In addition to medications for pain relief, trichinosis can be treated with drugs that are called anti-worm medications or anthelminthics. Two related anti-worm medications, mebendazole (Vermox) and thiabendazole (Mintezol), have been reported to be effective against intestinal larvae, but not against larvae encysted in the muscles. In particular, thiabendazole has worked best when given to patients who knew within 24 hours that they had eaten infested meat. Thiabendazole has, however, anti-inflammatory properties that can relieve some of the pain during the muscle stage of trichinosis.
Prognosis

The prognosis for recovery from trichinosis is generally good. Most people with the disease are unaware that they have even been infected. It is estimated that between 150,000 and 300,00 people in the United States become infected yearly, so that at any given time, 1.5 million people have T. spiralis infections. Most of these people have such light cases that trichinosis is never identified. Worm burden is measured in larvae per gram of muscle tissue; people with 10 or fewer larvae per gram of muscle tissue usually have no significant symptoms. When the number climbs to 100 larvae per gram of muscle tissue, the symptoms become noticeable. People with over 1000 larvae per gram of muscle tissue are usually extremely ill, and often die. The mortality rate of trichinosis is about 1%.
Prevention

Prevention of trichinosis is relatively simple. Swine should be fed only grain or cooked garbage because uncooked garbage may contain contaminated pork scraps. Meat from animals prone to trichinosis infection should be cooked or smoked thoroughly until it is no longer pink. Freezing meat at an adequately low temperature (5°F/-15°C for three weeks) can kill most encysted larvae, except for species which infect such arctic mammals as walrus or bear.
Resources
ORGANIZATIONS

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. 1600 Clifton Rd., NE, Atlanta, GA 30333. (800) 311-3435, (404) 639-3311. 〈http://www.cdc.gov〉.
KEY TERMS

Anthelminthic— A type of medication that is given to destroy or eliminate parasitic worms.

Cyst— In the life cycle of the round worm, a protective, walled-off capsule in which the larvae lie dormant.

Embryonic— In the life cycle of the round worm, a very early life stage occurring within the uterus of the female round worm.

Host— The animal within which a parasite lives, and from which the parasite receives its nutrition.

Inflammation— A reaction within the body to an invader (virus, bacteria, fungus, worm, etc.) or to tissue injury. The classic signs of inflammation include redness, heat, pain, and loss of function.

Larva— In the life cycle of the round worm, the second stage of life, sometimes considered the "adolescent" stage.

Nematode— A type of roundworm with a long, unsegmented body, usually parasitic on animals or plants.

Striated muscle— Also known as striped muscle; it includes muscles of the skeletal system and of the heart.

Trichina— An individual example of Trichinella spiralis.
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Reborn

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If there are different versions of Mark that read differently all version can not be correct. To me its like saying because they made a latin vulgate and called it Mark it has to be true..... I cant go there.

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A whole different type of debate brother.
One I'm surprised that has actually never been a thread ( that I've seen) here yet?
Actually......I know why.

I believe the Bible I have in my hand, man,
.......I don't know how to defend that.
Especially to others who read from the same book?
 
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kennethcadwell

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Glad you introduce I Tim 4, let's take a look...

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

We are investigating doctrines introduced by demons.

Lev 11:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,
Lev 11:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.

So this is a doctrine of God. I'd be really careful about labeling one of God's doctrines a doctrine of demons.

1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

There are a couple of things mentioned here, do you know of any great universal church that has an unmarried (though not celibate) priesthood?

Secondly, I can think of two organizations that teach one should abstain from meats. One used to teach that fish is not a meat and you can eat fish on Friday but not meat.

1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

Notice the colon following thanksgiving? Means a list of explanation is to follow...

1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

This doesn't get highlighted often, does it? Now where in the word of God do we find meats sanctified (set apart)?

Uh, lemme take a wild guess, Lev 11 and Deut 14.

Yeah I know about all that, in which the Catholic church teaches.
You also have to look at the whole passage to as the last part says every creature of God is good and should not be refused if it is received with thanksgiving. For anything you eat is cleansed by the word of God and through prayer.
 

Reborn

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#44
1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

1 Timothy 4:3, "Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats ( this is covering overall food), which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth."
Same passages you used.
It's highlighted ......this is how I read it.
 

Hizikyah

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#45
A whole different type of debate brother.
One I'm surprised that has actually never been a thread ( that I've seen) here yet?
Actually......I know why.

I believe the Bible I have in my hand, man,
.......I don't know how to defend that.
Especially to others who read from the same book?
To each their own I have no disrespect or negative feelings toward you,m I actually really like (love) you, because I feel you are sincere like I think im sincere. Me personally, since a child I was never content with listening to a "pastor" or accepting the first transltion I recieved, but felt I wanted to dig as to be certian of what He wanted, and to be honest I still feel like I dont search enough, Yah willing He we lead US to all truth. as surely as Yahweh lives I hope it is so!
 
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kennethcadwell

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#46
The deceitful spirits and demons teach people to abstain from eating all foods, as the Word clearly says that through the Word of God and by prayer all creatures have been cleansed and should not be refused.




1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, 3who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer.
King James Bible


1 Timothy 4:3, "Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth."

Genesis 7:1-2, "Then Yahweh said to Noah: Come into the ark, you and all your household, for I have seen you righteous before Me in this generation. You shall take with you seven pairs of every clean animal, a male and his female; two of animals that are unclean, a male and his female;"

The Creator Created this, demons did not create this:

Lev 11"And Yahweh spoke..; These are the animals you may eat among all the beasts upon the land" "You shall not make yourselves abominable with any creature that moves about on the ground. Do not defile yourselves by means of them, nor be made unclean by them. I am Yahweh your Heavenly Father. You shall therefore consecrate and sanctify yourselves, and you shall be holy; for I am holy. Neither shall you defile yourselves with any creature that moves about on the ground." "This is the Law of the animals, and the birds, and every living thing that moves in the waters, and every creature that moves about on the ground. You must distinguish between the unclean and the clean--between the animal that may be eaten, and the animal that may not be eaten."

Isayah:16 For by fire and by His sword will Yahweh plead with all flesh; and the slain of Yahweh will be many. 17
They who sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens, following after the priest (ONE in the center) in the midst of those who eat swine's flesh, that which is offered to gods and the rodent--will be consumed together: says Yahweh. For I know their works and their thoughts. It will come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they will come and see My glory.

The Hebrew text renders this phrase: following the one in the center, rather than: one behind the other, as in the KJv. This ONE in the center is an idolatrous PRIEST or PREACHER. A Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament by Julius Furst, Page 1463.


God created to be received with thanksgiving
You shall take with you seven pairs of every clean animal, a male and his female; two of animals that are unclean
You must distinguish between the unclean and the clean--between the animal that may be eaten, and the animal that may not be eaten
God created to be received with thanksgiving

Are There Deadly Superbugs in Your Pork?
Are There Deadly Superbugs in Your Pork?



The Unsavory Side of Pork

The pork and swine industry has been continually plagued, and continues to be so to this day, by a wide variety of hazardous and deadly infections and diseases, including:

PRRS -- A horrendous disease, which I first reported on in 2001, but which had been a nightmare for many nations since the mid-1980s, is still alive and kicking today.

At one point referred to as "swine mystery disease," "blue abortion," and "swine infertility," the disease was finally named "Porcine Reproductive and Respiratory Syndrome” (PRRS), and may afflict about 75 percent of American pig herds.

The PRRS virus primarily attacks the pig’s immune system, leaving its body open to a host of infections, particularly in the lungs. Initial research revealed that the virus was transmitted via semen, saliva and blood, leaving pigs herded closely together and transported in close quarters by trucks more susceptible to infection.

However, according to new research presented at the 2007 International PRRS Symposium shows that the disease is now airborne, making eradication efforts very difficult. According to the PRRS Coordinated Agricultural Project (CAP) and the National Pork Board, it is still the most economically significant disease of swine in the U.S.

The Nipah Virus – Discovered in 1999, the Nipah virus has caused disease in both animals and humans, through contact with infected animals. In humans, the virus can lead to deadly encephalitis (an acute inflammation of your brain). I originally reported on this virus in 2000, but according to CDC data, the Nipah virus reemerged again in 2004.

Hepatitis E (HEV) – According to the Mayo Clinic and an article in the Journal of Clinical Biology, pork may be the reservoir responsible for sporadic, locally acquired cases of acute hepatitis reported in regions with relatively mild climates as HEV has been found to transmit between swine and humans.

Porcine Endogenous Retrovirus (PERV) – According to a study in the journal Lancet, this virus can spread to people receiving pig organ transplants, and according to test tube studies, PERV strains does have the ability to infect human cells. PERV genes are scattered throughout pigs' genetic material, and researchers have found that pig heart, spleen and kidney cells release various strains of the virus.

Menangle Virus – In 1998, the journal Emerging Infectious Diseases reported that a new virus infecting pigs was able to jump to humans. The menangle virus was discovered in August 1997 when sows at an Australian piggery began giving birth to deformed and mummified piglets.


Trichinosis
Gale Encyclopedia of Medicine, 3rd ed. | 2006 | Carson-DeWitt, Rosalyn | Copyright
Definition:Trichinosis is a disease caused by a roundworm (nematode) called Trichinella spiralis. An individual worm of this species is called a trichina, from the Greek word meaning "hairlike." Trichinae can be readily avoided by proper handling and cooking of certain meats, particularly pork products.
Description

The life cycle of T. spiralis includes several different stages. The adult trichina lives in the intestinal lining of such meat-eating animals as swine, bears, walrus, and rodents. After mating, the male worm dies while the female goes on to produce the offspring.

Roundworms have a stage of development called the embryonic stage, which in many species occurs after birth. In trichinae, however, this embryonic stage occurs within the uterus of the female, so the offspring that are ultimately discharged into the host's intestinal lining are in the larval second stage of life. These larvae—about 1500 from each female worm—travel through the circulatory system to the heart, then through the blood vessels leading to striated muscle (the muscle of the skeletal system and the heart). Most larvae that cannot find suitable locations in striated muscle will die.

Those larvae that reach striated muscle will grow to a length of about one millimeter, coil themselves, and enclose themselves within a protective wall called a cyst. This process is referred to as encysting. The worms in the cysts can live for up to ten years in this form.

A pig that has been infected with T. spiralis, then, has thousands of cysts lying dormant within its muscles—the very muscles that humans look forward to consuming in the form of pork chops, ham, barbecued ribs, etc. When humans sit down to a delicious meal of undercooked, trichina-infected pig dinner, they are ingesting T. spiralis cysts. The cyst walls are broken down by the usual process of food digestion in the stomach, allowing the larvae to escape into the new host's intestines. There the larvae mature to become adult worms, capable of producing a new crop of larvae. When these new larvae hatch, they begin their migration throughout the human host's bloodstream to his or her muscles, where they live for a short while before encysting.
Causes and symptoms

Human hosts who eat meat infested with trichinae may experience symptoms in varying degrees. If the meat ingested has only a few cysts, then the human host's load of parasites (worm burden) is said to be relatively small, and symptoms will be moderate. In fact, many trichinosis infections are subclinical, which means that the symptoms are so mild that the infection remains undiagnosed. In a host with a greater worm burden, the initial symptoms will be caused by the presence of the adult worms in the intestine. These symptoms usually include fever, diarrhea, abdominal pain, and perhaps vomiting. The symptoms begin about one to two days after eating the contaminated meat, and may last for a week or so.

When the larvae begin their migration through the blood vessels, the host will begin to experience symptoms that affect the whole body (systemic symptoms), such as fever; swelling of the face and the area around the eyes; rash; bleeding into the nail beds, retina, and whites of the eyes; and cough. In very severe cases of trichinosis, inflammation of the heart muscle (myocarditis ), lungs (pneumonitis), or brain (encephalitis) may occur. These symptoms can lead to the few deaths caused by trichinosis.

The larvae begin to burrow into the host's muscles and form cysts within two to three weeks of the initial infection. This encysting produces signs of muscle inflammation (myositis) including swelling of the affected muscle groups, pain, and weakness. The most frequently affected muscles are the muscles outside the eye (extraocular muscles) that control eye movements; the muscles of the jaw, neck, and upper arm (biceps muscle); the muscles of the lower back (lumbar region); and the diaphragm, which is the muscle that separates the abdominal and chest cavities and aids in breathing.

The symptoms of trichinosis are at their most severe at about three weeks after infection, and decrease very slowly in their severity. Recovery is extremely gradual, and symptoms may last for as long as three months. Fatigue and muscle pain (myalgia) may take several more months to subside.
Diagnosis

An initial diagnosis of trichinosis relies heavily on the presence of its classic symptoms—swelling around the eyes, muscle inflammation, fever, and high levels of a certain type of white blood cell (eosinophils)—coupled with the patient's history. If the patient reports having eaten undercooked meat from an animal known to be a potential carrier of trichinosis, the doctor may order a muscle biopsy to confirm the diagnosis. By the third or fourth week of infection, muscle biopsies usually indicate the presence of larvae. Stool tests rarely reveal adult worms, although larvae can sometimes be found in blood or duodenal washings after the second week of infection. The blood test that is the most specific for trichinosis is the bentonite flocculation (BF) test.

T. spiralis can infect a number of different animal species used for food. The most common food culprit in the United States has been pork sausage, while outbreaks in Europe have caused by wild boar and horse meat. Outbreaks of trichinosis in Asia and Africa have been traced to dog meat, and outbreaks in Northern Canada have resulted from consumption of walrus and bear meat.
Treatment
Supportive care

Treatment of trichinosis is primarily aimed at decreasing the severity of the symptoms. Symptomatic relief includes bed rest and medications to relieve fever and muscle pain. The medications most commonly given are aspirin and nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs). Steroids such as prednisone (Deltasone, Meticorten) are reserved for the most severe cases of muscle inflammation, or for complicated cases that include myocarditis.
Anthelminthic medications

In addition to medications for pain relief, trichinosis can be treated with drugs that are called anti-worm medications or anthelminthics. Two related anti-worm medications, mebendazole (Vermox) and thiabendazole (Mintezol), have been reported to be effective against intestinal larvae, but not against larvae encysted in the muscles. In particular, thiabendazole has worked best when given to patients who knew within 24 hours that they had eaten infested meat. Thiabendazole has, however, anti-inflammatory properties that can relieve some of the pain during the muscle stage of trichinosis.
Prognosis

The prognosis for recovery from trichinosis is generally good. Most people with the disease are unaware that they have even been infected. It is estimated that between 150,000 and 300,00 people in the United States become infected yearly, so that at any given time, 1.5 million people have T. spiralis infections. Most of these people have such light cases that trichinosis is never identified. Worm burden is measured in larvae per gram of muscle tissue; people with 10 or fewer larvae per gram of muscle tissue usually have no significant symptoms. When the number climbs to 100 larvae per gram of muscle tissue, the symptoms become noticeable. People with over 1000 larvae per gram of muscle tissue are usually extremely ill, and often die. The mortality rate of trichinosis is about 1%.
Prevention

Prevention of trichinosis is relatively simple. Swine should be fed only grain or cooked garbage because uncooked garbage may contain contaminated pork scraps. Meat from animals prone to trichinosis infection should be cooked or smoked thoroughly until it is no longer pink. Freezing meat at an adequately low temperature (5°F/-15°C for three weeks) can kill most encysted larvae, except for species which infect such arctic mammals as walrus or bear.
Resources
ORGANIZATIONS

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. 1600 Clifton Rd., NE, Atlanta, GA 30333. (800) 311-3435, (404) 639-3311. 〈http://www.cdc.gov〉.
KEY TERMS

Anthelminthic— A type of medication that is given to destroy or eliminate parasitic worms.

Cyst— In the life cycle of the round worm, a protective, walled-off capsule in which the larvae lie dormant.

Embryonic— In the life cycle of the round worm, a very early life stage occurring within the uterus of the female round worm.

Host— The animal within which a parasite lives, and from which the parasite receives its nutrition.

Inflammation— A reaction within the body to an invader (virus, bacteria, fungus, worm, etc.) or to tissue injury. The classic signs of inflammation include redness, heat, pain, and loss of function.

Larva— In the life cycle of the round worm, the second stage of life, sometimes considered the "adolescent" stage.

Nematode— A type of roundworm with a long, unsegmented body, usually parasitic on animals or plants.

Striated muscle— Also known as striped muscle; it includes muscles of the skeletal system and of the heart.

Trichina— An individual example of Trichinella spiralis.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/trichinosis.aspx
 

Reborn

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To each their own I have no disrespect or negative feelings toward you,m I actually really like (love) you, because I feel you are sincere like I think im sincere. Me personally, since a child I was never content with listening to a "pastor" or accepting the first transltion I recieved, but felt I wanted to dig as to be certian of what He wanted, and to be honest I still feel like I dont search enough, Yah willing He we lead US to all truth. as surely as Yahweh lives I hope it is so!

I dig you too Hiz.
I don't follow preachers though. I trade ideas with others, I Bible study with groups.
A bulk of my thoughts are from studying, praying, searching just like you brother.
 

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Same passages you used.
It's highlighted ......this is how I read it.
Paul writes tricky and Paul must be filtered through other Scripture IMO.

Do not take this as a pot shot at you but rather a piece of Scriptural evidence that Paul is hard to understand:

2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."

Now if cured ham could be established in the mouth of 2 or 3, I wold submit, but in Mark it was added to the text so..... I see it as a attempt by a forger to implemnt his own doctrine, and I have even read that the oldest manuscript that contained "thus Jesus declared all foods clean" it was a scribble in the margin of the manuscript....and later copyists included it as text.....
 

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I dig you too Hiz.
I don't follow preachers though. I trade ideas with others, I Bible study with groups.
A bulk of my thoughts are from studying, praying, searching just like you brother.
I dont doubt that and was in no way implying that you did or were, the way I speak even in person is very straight without "disclaimers" people that know me for a while get me, but at first people misunderstand me. SO know I was not implying that. (ps im not shy about speaking my mind!)
 

Hizikyah

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The deceitful spirits and demons teach people to abstain from eating all foods, as the Word clearly says that through the Word of God and by prayer all creatures have been cleansed and should not be refused.
Just me here, not implying you.

So, I dont like to get into understanding that is not clear so I usually do not speak this, but I always thought this verse was pertaining to people who preach that all meat is unfit for consumption, like vegan only? but that is opinion I cant say Scripture clearly stares that because it does not, but if we look at something else Paul wrote I think we might have a hint?

2 Corinthinas 6:17-18, "Therefore: Come out from among them and be separate, says Yahweh. Do not touch the unclean thing, and I will receive you. I will be a Father to you, and you will be My sons and daughters, says Yahweh Almighty."

So unless Paul is a double talker IDK.... compound that with Peter never eating unclean and Peter's admission of Paul being hard to understand.... I cant form a doctrine off just Paul....

1 Corinthians 9:14, "In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel."

Matthew 10:8, "Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give."
 

john832

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Yeah I know about all that, in which the Catholic church teaches.
You also have to look at the whole passage to as the last part says every creature of God is good and should not be refused if it is received with thanksgiving. For anything you eat is cleansed by the word of God and through prayer.
It doesn't say it is cleansed by the Word of God, it says it is set apart by the Word of God.
 
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Acts 10:10-15

10 And he became hungry and wanted something to eat, but while they were preparing it, he fell into a trance 11 and sawthe heavens opened and something like a great sheet descending, being let down by its four corners upon the earth. 12 In it were all kinds of animals and reptiles and birds of the air. 13 And there came a voice to him: “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.” 14 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.” 15 And the voice came to him again a second time, “What God has made clean, do not call common.”





1 Timothy 4:1-5


4Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
2 Timothy 2:15 [Full Chapter]
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Peter's Vision -
People who eat the things pronounced unclean in the Word of God in order to justify themselves like a drowning man grabbing for straw, are willing to risk their eternal welfare on the above point and go on eating the abominable things of God has forbidden. The part of the texts usually quoted is, "And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. - Acts 10:13-15".

This all happened about 41 A.D., and about eight years after Jesus had gone to heaven. Peter had been with Jesus during His ministry to the House of Israel and had been preaching the gospel at least seven years, and had never eaten any thing unclean.


If Jesus had died to make the unclean animals, fowls, creeping things, and things of the waters, clean, Peter should have known it; but the fact that he had never eaten anything unclean shows that he had no knowledge of the repeal of the law of the clean and the unclean. The sheet was let down three times. Three men of the Gentiles were there for him to go with them to the house of Cornelius. Peter went with them as God had bidden him,
 
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It doesn't say it is cleansed by the Word of God, it says it is set apart by the Word of God.

1 Timothy 4:4-5

4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.



 

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But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party. And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy. But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?”
(Galatians 2:11-14)

what's this all about then? Peter "living like a Gentile" in that he wasn't keeping dietary laws, until men came up from Jerusalem who were keeping all these things just as under the old covenant?
or is this just about Peter "living like a Gentile" in that he sat down at the same table with Gentiles and didn't go through ritual hand-washing and similar traditions?

and this --

“I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but not everything is constructive. No one should seek their own good, but the good of others. Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”
If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, both for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience. I am referring to the other person’s conscience, not yours. For why is my freedom being judged by another’s conscience? If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for?
(1 Corinthians 10:23-30)

what Paul is teaching here seems to be in direct opposition to carnal dietary laws.
in another place (Colossians 2) Paul says the "
touch not, taste not, handle not" perspective is only a carnal "appearance of wisdom" -- it seems clear to me what he's saying if i understand that dietary laws are not commandments - though they may be expedient - but if dietary laws are commanded for us i don't understand why Paul speaks in this way, and why there's no clear teaching in the new testament reinforcing that, in fact, there are numerous passages we can point to that by plain reading seem to indicate quite the opposite.

seriously, what the heck is Paul doing saying "
eat whatever is set before you without asking questions of conscience" if the meat of certain animals is abominable to God for us to consume, whether we eat it thanking Him or not?

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Paul writes tricky and Paul must be filtered through other Scripture IMO.

Do not take this as a pot shot at you but rather a piece of Scriptural evidence that Paul is hard to understand:

2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."

Now if cured ham could be established in the mouth of 2 or 3, I wold submit, but in Mark it was added to the text so..... I see it as a attempt by a forger to implemnt his own doctrine, and I have even read that the oldest manuscript that contained "thus Jesus declared all foods clean" it was a scribble in the margin of the manuscript....and later copyists included it as text.....
Timothy 1: 4 starts off with "in the latter times"
Is this the 'last days' people in reference? If so...what does he mean then?
Health kicks are only a few decades old at most.
So the way I read Tim 4, fits how the world treats how/what we are to eat....now.

Paul states that this would be an issue among believers in "the latter times" right ?
No matter what translation you use, or which chunk in the next verse is left in or out.....he is speaking about the new 'doctrine of diet ' that was created in the last few decades?

Or else ALL of Timothy 4: 1-6 would be wrong or in question.
Where do we go from there then?

So we disagree on one thing? No biggie.
I agree with you on about 80% of the other things you post.
 
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kennethcadwell

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2 Timothy 2:15 [Full Chapter]
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Peter's Vision -
People who eat the things pronounced unclean in the Word of God in order to justify themselves like a drowning man grabbing for straw, are willing to risk their eternal welfare on the above point and go on eating the abominable things of God has forbidden. The part of the texts usually quoted is, "And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. - Acts 10:13-15".

This all happened about 41 A.D., and about eight years after Jesus had gone to heaven. Peter had been with Jesus during His ministry to the House of Israel and had been preaching the gospel at least seven years, and had never eaten any thing unclean.


If Jesus had died to make the unclean animals, fowls, creeping things, and things of the waters, clean, Peter should have known it; but the fact that he had never eaten anything unclean shows that he had no knowledge of the repeal of the law of the clean and the unclean. The sheet was let down three times. Three men of the Gentiles were there for him to go with them to the house of Cornelius. Peter went with them as God had bidden him,


That is from a false exegesis as is shown from 1 Timothy that I also gave, which the exegesis does not say anything about.
In 1 Timothy 4 it makes it clear that all creatures created by God are now sanctified, and cleansed by prayer. We are told more then once in the NT to eat anything and not refuse any food unless it was offered to idols.
 
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1 Timothy 4:4-5

4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.



John 17:17King James Version (KJV)

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.


1 Timothy 4[SUP]th[/SUP] Chapter

In the last days there were to be seducing spirits. They were to command to abstain from meats that God created to be received with thanksgiving,and were to forbid to marry. "For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. - 1 Timothy 4:4-5"

As the word sanctify means to set apart, there must be two classes of creatures in the world. There was a sign of sanctification before the flood or Noah would not have known the clean from the unclean, in taking the beasts into the ark.

Therefore, they were (sanctified) set apart, some clean and some unclean before that time. If all were cleansed by the blood of Christ, there would be only one class in the world and no unclean for the clean to be set apart from.

If all the people in the world were righteous alike, they could not be sanctified because there would be no wicked or sinners for the righteous to be set apart from; so it remains that there were animals created to be received with thanksgiving, and some not to be received with thanksgiving as a food, and some sanctified by the Word of God, and some not sanctified for food
 
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That is from a false exegesis as is shown from 1 Timothy that I also gave, which the exegesis does not say anything about.
In 1 Timothy 4 it makes it clear that all creatures created by God are now sanctified, and cleansed by prayer. We are told more then once in the NT to eat anything and not refuse any food unless it was offered to idols.
Will you eat blood ? Why or Why not ?
 
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Not what goes into a man yet Paul mentioned this

Acts 15:29
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.


I wonder Why
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We are to have nothing with the unclean things indeed, but Jesus made the previously unclean clean, so the Bible is not contradicting itself.
Word of God is also food, the bread of life, manna from Heaven, Word of God, the food that man lives on. Jesus is our diet - man does not live on bread alone. So what food are we to abstain from if we want to live? Any word contrary to God's, teachings of demons, sin an evil. This is what to abstain of and the fulfillment of the OT ordinances, and this abstinence and obeying the Word of God is made possible by the new birth by the Holy Spirit and His guidance. Carnal ordinances have been put away - spiritual ones have taken place.

1 Thessalonians 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
1 Peter 2:11 ...abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;

Acts 11
7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
10 And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.
Although this was a message to Paul about not observing Gentiles as unclean, God cannot lie, so He has also cleansed these animals for food, just as Paul was told.