Dietary laws, do you keep them?

[TMS]

Exactly... what YOU define. Scripture gives no such definition, but encompasses every ordinance, statute, and command in the term "Law".

They are all laws and referred to as laws in the bible but with a little study it isn't hard to distinguish the difference.

Eg......
The 10 commandment are 10.
Not 9 not 11. But 10 laws spoken by God written by God on stone.
The other laws were added to...written by Moses.
I see a difference already.

Should we keep all the laws today?
No, some were replaced by Jesus.
But some have not been made void.

Rom 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
This must be two laws.... the added law and the law that was from the start.


Rom 6:14-16
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

The 10 commandments help us understand what sin is.
The cerimonial laws pointed to Jesus and helped Israel to understand the plan of salvation (not that they did).
The health laws are for our health.

 

[Dino246]

Okay if every statute and command is encompassed in the term law......

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Does this mean we establish every law?

If every ordinance, statute and command is included in the law .....

Mat 5:17-18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Does this mean every law will not pass till all be fulfilled.???

Jas 2:10-12
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

If the law enpomosess every statue, ordinance and command then we need to make sure we know all 600 plus laws. And obey them all.

Dead wrong. The law is fulfilled in Christ.

 

[rstrats]

Dead wrong. The law is fulfilled in Christ.

Are you suggesting that because the Messiah kept the law that no one else has to?

 

[Dino246]

Are you suggesting that because the Messiah kept the law that no one else has to?

Yes. Our relationship with God is neither established nor maintained by us following the law.

 

[rstrats]

[QUOTE="Dino246 Yes. [/QUOTE]

I'm sure you know the next question - So, as far as the Lord is concerned, it's ok, for example, to murder someone?

 

[Dino246]

[QUOTE="Dino246 Yes.

I'm sure you know the next question - So, as far as the Lord is concerned, it's ok, for example, to murder someone?[/QUOTE]
Is murder consistent with the leading of the Holy Spirit? No.

 

[TMS]

Dead wrong. The law is fulfilled in Christ.

How? Your putting all laws in the same category again.
How does the moral law become void? If Christ fulfilled the moral law are we free to transgress all moral laws?

Rom 6:15-16
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:12-14
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

If the law is holy and just and good why did Jesus make it void.
He didn't, we are saved from the penalty of sin,.... the transgression of the law..

The moral law still identifies sin today.

 

[Dino246]

How? Your putting all laws in the same category again.
How does the moral law become void? If Christ fulfilled the moral law are we free to transgress all moral laws?

Rom 6:15-16
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:12-14
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

If the law is holy and just and good why did Jesus make it void.
He didn't, we are saved from the penalty of sin,.... the transgression of the law..

The moral law still identifies sin today.

Please quote the Scripture that clearly separates the Law into different parts. Until you do, don’t bother complaining about me putting it all in one category.

 

[rstrats]

[QUOTE="Dino246,
Is murder consistent with the leading of the Holy Spirit? No.[/QUOTE]

According to the Spirit is committing murder a sin?

 

[loveme1]

Do you guys keep the dietary laws of Leviticus 11? I believe it is smart to do so, not because we are REQUIRED to, but because God as the creator knows what is most profitable for us to eat when it comes to meats. The kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, I know. All im asking you guys is: Do you personally keep the dietary laws? Do you think it is beneficial?`I sure do. Lots of bad things have happened in history including many pandemics due to eating unclean meats.

GOD knows best.. so using them as a good living guide is beneficial.

 

[Dino246]

GOD knows best.. so using them as a good living guide is beneficial.

If the dietary laws were presented as “a good living guide”, you would be correct. They aren’t, and you aren’t.

 

[Dino246]

[QUOTE="Dino246,
Is murder consistent with the leading of the Holy Spirit? No.

According to the Spirit is committing murder a sin?[/QUOTE]
Facepalm.

 

[rstrats]

[QUOTE="Dino246 Facepalm.[/QUOTE]

No reason for feeling shame. We all make il-conceived comments now and then.

 

[loveme1]

Please remember we are set free and are under grace.. trying to suggest there is anything wrong with using dietary advice from GOD is absurd. We have liberty because our Lord overcame… set us free.

Discernment is needed.

 

[loveme1]

People in the beginning were unsure how to be a Christian.. they had many questions about how they should live… Some regarding physical circumcision.. feast days etc..

If the dietary laws were presented as “a good living guide”, you would be correct. They aren’t, and you aren’t.

We are viewing them in this age as good advice.. let GOD judge us if we error. I’m content in my liberty.


You are at liberty to eat as you please.

 

[loveme1]

My personal take is.. avoiding pork and seafood other than fish. Meat cooked with no blood.

 

[Dino246]

People in the beginning were unsure how to be a Christian.. they had many questions about how they should live… Some regarding physical circumcision.. feast days etc..


We are viewing them in this age as good advice.. let GOD judge us if we error. I’m content in my liberty.


You are at liberty to eat as you please.

They were never "good advice"; you're simply misinterpreting the context. The dietary laws were part of the Law of Moses, given to Israel to set them apart from the nations surrounding them. As I have stated more than once in this thread, you can "follow" the dietary laws and still be profoundly unhealthy.

We are indeed free to eat as we choose, but I would encourage you to reconsider how you view the Law... including the dietary components.

 

[Dino246]

My personal take is.. avoiding pork and seafood other than fish. Meat cooked with no blood.

So you treat the Law as a smorgasbord, choosing for yourself which bits you will swallow and which you will spit. How is that consistent with Scripture?

 

[Dino246]

[QUOTE="Dino246 Facepalm.

No reason for feeling shame. We all make il-conceived comments now and then.[/QUOTE]
I guess the "What a ridiculous question" angle eluded you.

 

[loveme1]

So you treat the Law as a smorgasbord, choosing for yourself which bits you will swallow and which you will spit. How is that consistent with Scripture?

Is that a problem for you? My liberty in Christ is not swallow and spitting.. I have chosen to eat as described. If the law is full filled.. then I’m free to discern. Very content indeed.

You can’t have it both ways.. here is something for you to consider: Acts 15.. it advises the People about their diet.. also that the yolk Moses law..not be put around new believers.. Liberty in Christ. So, people are free to choose.