Difference between God and Jesus

[Bryancampbell]

If you say Jesus is the Holy Spirit in the Godhead, then you are saying that Jesus is not at the right hand of God but is on earth right now because the Spirit is in us. Brother Jesus is God is flesh by the Spirit, but the Spirit is a Spirit it doesn't have flesh like Jesus and doesn't play the role as Jesus but as the Spirit. and two branch off from the Father, the head of the Godhead. To say the Father is Jesus, is to say there is no Son, but Father and Father. If the Father is above the Son, then who is the Son?

 

[NiceneCreed]

there is no trinity bryan... it's just made up by men of this world with their own theology it's only ONE god not 3 persons in one there is God and his son Jesus the holy spirit is God and the holy spirit was sent into jesus So God can work in him The holy spirit is god how could the SON be the FATHER? read it carefully again and you will see there is never once that it is 3 in 1 show me where it staes this. clear your mind and read it again your reading it going in the fact that you think there is a trinity clear your mind and just read and understand what it is saying some people get themselves in trouble like that when they read the bible base on what their denominations believe they will only see what the denomination see and would be able to see what the word is actually saying

Perhaps this will be of some benefit to you:


The Nicene Creed:


I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets. And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

 

[Bryancampbell]

Perhaps this will be of some benefit to you:


The Nicene Creed:


I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets. And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

The Nicene Creed is a perfect example, although I know Catholic is universal, I like to take that out and have it just as the Holy Church lol. I guess I ruin it by the change .

 

[NiceneCreed]

The Nicene Creed is a perfect example, although I know Catholic is universal, I like to take that out and have it just as the Holy Church lol. I guess I ruin it by the change .

Nah. I am a Baptist, so I know what you mean. But I still have love for Catholics.

 

[cfultz3]

Jesus is god but God is the Godhead and if you believe that the word is Jesus then where is the trinity... that itself prove it is 2 different beings

You say and you say well:

Jesus is God
God is [of] the Godhead
Word (the Creator) is Jesus

This is the Trinity:

In the beginning God the Father wanted to create.
So, God the Word spoke it into existence, as per the Father's will.
And the Holy Spirit was the Wisdom behind that Creation, adorned the heavens.


Though there are differences in administration, there is but one God working all in all.

There are three who bear record in Heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit.

 

[silas42]

Ah but it didn't say it went into Him did it? I thought the Spirit of God dwelled in Him from the virgin birth? Why would in this verse show another indwelling of the Spirit? That concludes that this verse isn't about the Spirit dwelling but lighting on Him like a dove sits on His shoulder. Again different aspect.

and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove Luke3:22

Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness Luke4:1
Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit Luke4:14

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[4enlightment]

The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is three correct? Under the divinity of one God right?
It's not the Father, the Father, and the Father is it?
But the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit.

Jesus prayed to the Father, that alone shows us the Father is not the Son, but they both are God.

If Jesus said the Father will send the Holy Spirit, are you denying that Jesus is no longer at the right hand of God?

Is not Jesus right now at the right hand of the Father? And if He is, then who is the Holy Spirit that dwells in us? It's God, but in a separate person.

Matthew 6:3But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,

Matthew 5:30And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

Mark 3:25If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

John 3:12I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?

1 Corinthians 15:40There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another.

John 3:8The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

John 3:6Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.

Romans 6:19I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness.

John 3:34For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit.

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The spirits has to use physical images to communicate to those that doesn't understand the spiritual nature. Basically we are the metaphor like when the spirits join together to become one to produce fruits is like when a man and a woman lies together to conceive a child but the physical can't actually become one it is because we has limits and which the spirits doesn't has any limitations; that is why Jesus has to use parable to describe how the spiritual realm works. The people couldn't understand the things that the spirits can do; but one day we be able to do the things what Jesus has shown us.

Matthew 8:27The men were amazed and asked, “What kind of man is this? Even the winds and the waves obey him!”

 

[Bryancampbell]

and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove Luke3:22

Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness Luke4:1
Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit Luke4:14

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Hmmm reread it again, bodily form like a dove.....still separate whether like it or is it. Dove is the closest thing the author could describe it.

Jesus has the Spirit of God we all know that, He is God and man. Remember He wasn't the only one in the bible lead and full of the Spirit.

 

[josh123]

and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove Luke3:22

Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness Luke4:1
Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit Luke4:14

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

doesn't get any clearer than this brother... he was led by the spirit.. who was this spirit that was leading him? it was God manifested in man that's who that spirit was it was God.

 

[Bryancampbell]

Jesus has the Spirit of God, simple. But Jesus right now is not among us in bodily form, only His Spirit, since He is God, Spirit of God. You make the littlest things complicated lol.

 

[silas42]

doesn't get any clearer than this brother... he was led by the spirit.. who was this spirit that was leading him? it was God manifested in man that's who that spirit was it was God.

Jesus spoke the words of God for the spirit was on him without limit John 3:34
He lived in the power of the Spirit
Was led by the Spirit
The miracles he performed were by the power of the Spirit
He did not begin his public ministry until the Spirit had descended on him in bodily form/shape

 

[cfultz3]

Hmmm reread it again, bodily form like a dove.....still separate whether like it or is it. Dove is the closest thing the author could describe it.

This reminds me of Moses and the dove which "returned" with an olive branch to let him know that God's anger subsided.

 

[josh123]

Jesus spoke the words of God for the spirit was on him without limit John 3:34
He lived in the power of the Spirit
Was led by the Spirit
The miracles he performed were by the power of the Spirit
He did not begin his public ministry until the Spirit had descended on him in bodily form

exactly that is why it is the fullness of God in him when miracles were perform he never claim that it was him that was doing the miracles it was God, that is what i was trying to show my young brother too it's only God and Jesus but when Jesus receive the Holy spirit he was the fullness of God himself in Jesus they were a dual being, look at us when we receive the holy spirit we become a dual being we have knowledge of ourself and our same personality but when the Holy Spirit comes it reforms our minds we become a dual being that is why jesus was said 11And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. John 17:11
do you see one as we are it is still Jesus but God spirit is In him that makes him a dual being with God in his Son Jesus, he prayed so the same thing can happen to us and it does happen when we receive the Holy spirit, that is why our body is the temple of God, do you see? God comes and dwells in us and Live in us but we are still here in our body.

 

[Bryancampbell]

This reminds me of Moses and the dove which "returned" with an olive branch to let him know that God's anger subsided.

Are we talking about Noah? Lol

 

[silas42]

exactly that is why it is the fullness of God in him when miracles were perform he never claim that it was him that was doing the miracles it was God, that is what i was trying to show my young brother too it's only God and Jesus but when Jesus receive the Holy spirit he was the fullness of God himself in Jesus they were a dual being, look at us when we receive the holy spirit we become a dual being we have knowledge of ourself and our same personality but when the Holy Spirit comes it reforms our minds we become a dual being that is why jesus was said 11And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. John 17:11
do you see one as we are it is still Jesus but God spirit is In him that makes him a dual being with God in his Son Jesus, he prayed so the same thing can happen to us and it does happen when we receive the Holy spirit, that is why our body is the temple of God, do you see? God comes and dwells in us and Live in us but we are still here in our body.

Unfortunately, some believe in a Trinity of Father, Son and the Bible, the Holy Spirit-who leads into truth is in effect marginalised/sidelined

 

[GreenNnice]

Yes, i agree there is no trinity.
Jesus taught his disciples to pray: “Our Father which art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.” Our heavenly Father, whose name is Jehovah, is described in the Bible as being superior to his Son. For example, Jehovah is “from everlasting to everlasting.” But the Bible says that Jesus is “the firstborn of every creature.” That Jehovah is greater than Jesus, Jesus himself taught when he said: “My Father is greater than I.” (Matthew 6:9; Psalm 90:1, 2; Colossians 1:15; John 14:28, King James Version) Yet, the Trinity doctrine holds that the Father and the Son are “equally God.”The Father’s superiority over the Son, as well as the fact that the Father is a separate person, is highlighted also in the prayers of Jesus, such as the one before his execution:“Father, if you wish, remove this cup [that is, an ignominious death] from me.Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.” (Luke 22:42) If God and Jesus are “one in essence,” as the Trinity doctrine says, how could Jesus’ will, or wish, seem different from that of his Father?—Hebrews 5:7, 8; 9:24.

Furthermore, if Jehovah and Jesus were the same, how could one of them be aware of things of which the other was not? Jesus, for instance, said regarding the time of the world’s judgment: “Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father.”—Mark 13:32.

" My Father is greater than I " equals 'I' in this way, it refers to Jesus, who was sent to Earth, being of Holy Spirit seed implanted in Mary, and, the Holy Spirit being of God. And, Jesus, who received the Holy Spirit from God in the form of a dove--and, do you notice that 'trinity' correlation there-- is then in man form on Earth for a short time, being under the authority of His Father, who is God, who is, therefore, with Jesus, a man, a sinless man, albeit, but, nevertheless, is a man, who the bible tells us, is this kind of man: 'Cursed is THE MAN who hung on a tree (cross).'

So, Jesus was just telling the truth of His existnce on Earth as a man, who was doing great things but that by which of His Father in heaven, whose will He followed . The man of God was 'I.'

Remember, Jesus praying at Gethsemane, that is the ultimate 'man' form of Jesus,who took on feelings and emotions and pains, like us, right, Jesus was not faking the torture He went through, leading up to, and, on that cross was He . But, yeah, Jesus was sweating 'drops of blood,' praying to God in heaven t0 'Take this cup from me, Father, but not my will but Thy be done.'

 

[silas42]

exactly that is why it is the fullness of God in him when miracles were perform he never claim that it was him that was doing the miracles it was God, that is what i was trying to show my young brother too it's only God and Jesus but when Jesus receive the Holy spirit he was the fullness of God himself in Jesus they were a dual being, look at us when we receive the holy spirit we become a dual being we have knowledge of ourself and our same personality but when the Holy Spirit comes it reforms our minds we become a dual being that is why jesus was said 11And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. John 17:11
do you see one as we are it is still Jesus but God spirit is In him that makes him a dual being with God in his Son Jesus, he prayed so the same thing can happen to us and it does happen when we receive the Holy spirit, that is why our body is the temple of God, do you see? God comes and dwells in us and Live in us but we are still here in our body.

If you, or 'from the Bible' continue with these discussions, the following will happen:
You'll be told you are a heretic
You're not a Christian/ you're condemned
They will distort what you write to mean something other than what you plainly mean

It's important to remember, the ministers won't plainly state from the pulpit, you must believe Christ is God Himself to be saved.
Nowhere in the bible does it state you must believe Christ is God Himself to be saved.
However, this is the internet, don't take the flak too seriously

 

[Bryancampbell]

If you, or 'from the Bible' continue with these discussions, the following will happen:
You'll be told you are a heretic
You're not a Christian/ you're condemned
They will distort what you write to mean something other than what you plainly mean

It's important to remember, the ministers won't plainly state from the pulpit, you must believe Christ is God Himself to be saved.
Nowhere in the bible does it state you must believe Christ is God Himself to be saved.
However, this is the internet, don't take the flak too seriously

No one is being called a heritic, this is just bible discussion.

But yes you actually have to believe Jesus is God to be saved, who is your faith based on???

 

[silas42]

No one is being called a heritic, this is just bible discussion.

But yes you actually have to believe Jesus is God to be saved, who is your faith based on???

Re: Difference between God and Jesus

Originally Posted by FromTheBible

If Jesus was separate from God when he came to earth as you say and that when he went back to heaven they became 1 again why after Jesus died and was resurrected why does 1 Corinthians 11:3 say : "But I want YOU to know that the head of every man is the Christ;+ in turn the head of a woman is the man;+ in turn the head of the Christ is God.+" ?? .. Still showing when Jesus was not in hes MAN form and in heaven Jehovah and Jesus were still not equal.

Jehovah is God Almighty, and Jesus his Son. The two of them were not equal before Jesus came to the earth or during his earthly life; nor did Jesus become equal to his Father after being resurrected to heaven.







This is heresy.



You were saying?​

 

[Bryancampbell]

Re: Difference between God and Jesus

Originally Posted by FromTheBible

If Jesus was separate from God when he came to earth as you say and that when he went back to heaven they became 1 again why after Jesus died and was resurrected why does 1 Corinthians 11:3 say : "But I want YOU to know that the head of every man is the Christ;+ in turn the head of a woman is the man;+ in turn the head of the Christ is God.+" ?? .. Still showing when Jesus was not in hes MAN form and in heaven Jehovah and Jesus were still not equal.

Jehovah is God Almighty, and Jesus his Son. The two of them were not equal before Jesus came to the earth or during his earthly life; nor did Jesus become equal to his Father after being resurrected to heaven.







This is heresy.



You were saying?​

This is between two other people, Nicene and From the bible. I thought you were referring to us. Sorry...