Difference between God and Jesus

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But yes you actually have to believe Jesus is God to be saved, who is your faith based on???
Bearing in mind what you have written, I imagine you believe it is the solemn duty of every Trinitarian minster to plainly spell out in unequivocal terms from the pulpit a person must believe Christ is God Himself to be saved.

What is your opinion of ministers who refuse to do so?
 
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I imagine then you believe it is the solemn duty of every Trinitarian minster to plainly spell out in unequivocal terms from the pulpit a person must believe Christ is God Himself to be saved.

What is your opinion of ministers who refuse to do so?
My opinion about a minister who doesn't teach that you must believe in Jesus who is God in the flesh, who was crucified for our redemption, and resurrected from the grave for our justification is teaching a different gospel.

If you don't have to believe Jesus is God, then tell me why are we preaching about someone who would be just like anyone one of us? A man can die, but how is he resurrected? And proclaimed the Son of God?
 
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My opinion about a minister who doesn't teach that you must believe in Jesus who is God in the flesh, who was crucified for our redemption, and resurrected from the grave for our justification is teaching a different gospel.

If you don't have to believe Jesus is God, then tell me why are we preaching about someone who would be just like anyone one of us? A man can die, but how is he resurrected? And proclaimed the Son of God?
Originally Posted by Bryancampbell

But yes you actually have to believe Jesus is God to be saved, who is your faith based on???



Bearing in mind what you have written, I imagine you believe it is the solemn duty of every Trinitarian minster to plainly spell out in unequivocal terms from the pulpit a person must believe Christ is God Himself to be saved.

What is your opinion of ministers who refuse to do so?


Please answer the question, don't prevaricate
 
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If you don't believe Jesus as God, your faith is completely void...simple as that
 
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Originally Posted by Bryancampbell

But yes you actually have to believe Jesus is God to be saved, who is your faith based on???



Bearing in mind what you have written, I imagine you believe it is the solemn duty of every Trinitarian minster to plainly spell out in unequivocal terms from the pulpit a person must believe Christ is God Himself to be saved.

What is your opinion of ministers who refuse to do so?


Please answer the question, don't prevaricate
You keep changing your statement
 
Aug 22, 2013
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If you don't believe Jesus as God, your faith is completely void...simple as that
Ah, but you see, no minister has ever told me that, because they don't preach from the pulpit you must believe Christ is God Himself to be saved do they. And you obviously can't respond to that-can you?
 
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Originally Posted by Bryancampbell

But yes you actually have to believe Jesus is God to be saved, who is your faith based on???



Bearing in mind what you have written, I imagine you believe it is the solemn duty of every Trinitarian minster to plainly spell out in unequivocal terms from the pulpit a person must believe Christ is God Himself to be saved.

What is your opinion of ministers who refuse to do so?


Please answer the question, don't prevaricate
First off, give me a chance to answer each of your changed questions before you change it again and accuse me. A how is it unequivocal? Prove to me how the trinity is not in the bible? All that Josh pointed out was verses that actually prove the trinity, since he is a new believer this word is confusing to him, now your question, a minister who refuses to teach the gospel is contradicting the word. Simple as that. Must I go into detail about heretics who claim salvation can come to those who believe in a man dying for our redemption without having the divinity of God? If it were a man, just a mere man, this gospel is useless. Seeing that their faith is based on a man, and not a God man.
 
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Ah, but you see, no minister has ever told me that, because they don't preach from the pulpit you must believe Christ is God Himself to be saved do they. And you obviously can't respond to that-can you?
It's in the bible, they should teach it or else....Your believing a lie...
 
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First off, give me a chance to answer each of your changed questions before you change it again and accuse me. A how is it unequivocal? Prove to me how the trinity is not in the bible? All that Josh pointed out was verses that actually prove the trinity, since he is a new believer this word is confusing to him, now your question, a minister who refuses to teach the gospel is contradicting the word. Simple as that. Must I go into detail about heretics who claim salvation can come to those who believe in a man dying for our redemption without having the divinity of God? If it were a man, just a mere man, this gospel is useless. Seeing that their faith is based on a man, and not a God man.
Why not just not respond to what I wrote, rather than continually try to evade the question

Put it this way. I've been to Pentecostal, Baptist, C of E, Methodist churches, and non denominational churches, non of the ministers in those churches have stated from the pulpit what you have on this website
So are you an ordained minster? I doubt it.
Why should I believe you and not them?
We all know a minister is obligated to plainly preach any salvational belief from the pulpit don't we, that's why you can't answer the question. If ordained ministers don't demand it, I'm hardly likely to take note of people on the internet who do am I, think about that
 
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Why not just not respond to what I wrote, rather than continually try to evade the question

Put it this way. I've been to Pentecostal, Baptist, C of E, Methodist churches, and non denominational churches, non of the ministers in those churches have stated from the pulpit what you have on this website
So are you an ordained minster? I doubt it.
Why should I believe you and not them?
We all know a minister is obligated to plainly preach any salvational belief from the pulpit don't we, that's why you can't answer the question. If ordained ministers don't demand it, I'm hardly likely to take note of people on the internet who do am I, think about that
You seek the answer, but through my words your blind, that's why your answer isn't being received sir.

Sir, do you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God? John 3:16 states that you must believe in the Son of God to be saved, do you believe that?
 
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You seek the answer, but through my words your blind, that's why your answer isn't being received sir.

Sir, do you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God? John 3:16 states that you must believe in the Son of God to be saved, do you believe that?
If you are not prepared to answer my question, it doesn't seem fair you expect me to answer yours does it
 
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This is the argument.. bryan is trying to tell them there is 3 person 3 different persons and i'm doing is showing him that it is only God and Jesus and the holy spirit is the Spirit of God, There is no 3 it is God and Jesus God sent His holy spirit Into Jesus to be the fullness of God in man and i've prove this by the scriptures but no one accepts it that's why i keep telling people don't read the bible from a denominational point of view or a personal theory that you have or else you will never see the truth you will only see what the denomination says or what your theory is, it is written there in plain sight.. and i've even explained it perfectly with the scripture, just like i explained it perfectly with the scripture that the 10 commandments was for the jews in the first place not the gentiles and even show the scriptures to people but no one accepts it because they read the bible from a denomination point of view
 
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If you are not prepared to answer my question, it doesn't seem fair you expect me to answer yours does it
This is where we end our conversation since my answer isn't what you expect it. I apologize to say your blind. Reread my answer, that's my answer nothing more.

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
Maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through Him all things were made.


For us and for our salvation
He came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
He was born of the virgin mary,
and was made man.
For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
He suffered death for our redemption and was buried.
On the third day He rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
He ascended into heaven
and is now seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and His kingdom will have no end.


We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son, He is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy Church, the body of Christ.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look forward to the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.
 
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This is the argument.. bryan is trying to tell them there is 3 person 3 different persons and i'm doing is showing him that it is only God and Jesus and the holy spirit is the Spirit of God, There is no 3 it is God and Jesus God sent His holy spirit Into Jesus to be the fullness of God in man and i've prove this by the scriptures but no one accepts it that's why i keep telling people don't read the bible from a denominational point of view or a personal theory that you have or else you will never see the truth you will only see what the denomination says or what your theory is, it is written there in plain sight.. and i've even explained it perfectly with the scripture, just like i explained it perfectly with the scripture that the 10 commandments was for the jews in the first place not the gentiles and even show the scriptures to people but no one accepts it because they read the bible from a denomination point of view
You have to accept, this is the internet, the ministers do not make the pronouncements people do here. Neither would most of their congregations demand what a few do on the internet. I would imagine the only real difference between their opinion and yours is in the tigtle of Christ, not his nature, for scripture plainly states he has the nature of God. Scripture also plainly states the name we must believe Christ to have to inherit eternal life, and it is the Son of God, not God Himself
But please, only a few Trinitarians will come and condemn you, most won't, and as I said, the ministers don't preach their demands from the pulpit. It's rather Phariseeical really, going round condemning the innocent, but only a few do, the majority do not, so take heart from that
 
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Josh the Trinity all it is, is God is the Father, the Son, and the Spirit. They operate right now and always have as individual parts. Jesus is right now at the right hand of the Father in heaven, and His Spirit is in you on earth.
 
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11And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. John 17:11
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The above is a great point Josh

Jesus said, when praying to his Father
That they(the believers) may be one AS we are one
John17:22

How can you and I be as one? Only in the Holy Spirit, there is no other way, and Jesus said

That they may be one AS we are one
 
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Trinity is the Godhead.

Even trinity believers believe the Spirit comes from the Father and the Son, how can anyone deny that. You guys are really off on the understanding the trinity. If the Spirit is from the Father and Son, then that means it came from them​ not them coming as the Spirit, but He came from them.
 
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Trinity is the Godhead.

Even trinity believers believe the Spirit comes from the Father and the Son, how can anyone deny that. You guys are really off on the understanding the trinity. If the Spirit is from the Father and Son, then that means it came from them​ not them coming as the Spirit, but He came from them.
I'm sorry Bryan, but as I keep telling you, the ministers don't preach your demands from the pulpit, and we all know they are obligated to preach plainly any salvational belief, I think I would go by them, not someone on the internet, who seems to have no opinion as to why they do not preach/demand what you demand here for salvation