Disproving Biblical Infallibility 101

[valiant]

Scripture says NO woman is to teach or take authority over a man. Ever. Because of their involvement in the fall, and their lesser created order, under men...and for no other reason. They are NOT supposed to attempt to tell a man ANYTHING regarding the word of God, EVER..did the word come OUT of you, or TO you? ....Yet we see plainly that Elin is a usurper of authority and attempts to teach men.

She is blatantly in opposition to scripture and does walk in disobedience. If your going to preach that the word is infallible and true, you might want to exercise a little respect for it and adhere to its teachings.

you are of course wrong as ever. Paul was talking about authoritative teaching when there was no New Testament. He was not talking about giving guidance from the New Testament. Indeed he commended Priscilla for her teaching.

 

[valiant]

TIME AND CULTURE?
Sometimes, you’ll hear people say, “Paul prohibition against women church leadership was only for that time and culture. Paul wrote those prohibitions because of the rampant, uneducated, Corinthian feminists who were disrupting church services in his day. He didn’t expect us to obey those commands in the modern era!”
That’s simply not true.
First of all, Paul prefaces his 1 Corinthian 14 command with the words, As in all the churches of the saints:
As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silent in the churches (1 Cor 14:33-34).
Second, when we read the 1 Timothy 2 injunction, we are met with the following words:
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve” (1 Tim 2:12-13).
We can see from the text that Paul’s reason for not allowing women to teach or exercise authority over men has NOTHING to do with his contemporary cultural context. Rather, Paul’s reason is simple: “Because God made Adam first.” In other words, Paul does not cite contemporary reasons for his ban, instead, he goes back to a Creation Ordinance in order to firmly ground his prohibitions.
CONCLUSIONS
Men and women are both made in the image of God (Gen 1:27). Accordingly, there is no demerit in the valuation of the soul of either sex. In the eyes of God, a saved soul is a saved soul–there is “neither male nor female” (Gal 3:28) when it comes to the value of a human soul. Concurrently, however, the sexes have vastly different roles within the church and in family life. The offices of pastor, elder, and deacon are open only to Christian men.
We must remember that most men will humbly serve Christ as laypeople. Most men will joyfully serve Christ and His Church outside the offices of pastor, elder, or deacon–and they are fine with that. All women must serve Christ and His Church outside the offices of pastor, elder, or deacon–and most women are fine with that. They’re fine, because as my wife stated the other night, “The issue is very clear in Scripture.” If we take what’s clear in Scripture and disobey it due to “contemporary cultural irrelevance,” then we should not be surprised when homosexual activists infiltrate our churches and begin using the same hermeneutical mispractices to explain away clear passages such as Romans 1:27. At the end of the day, this is not about women in ministry. This is about the inerrancy and authority of Scripture. SINCE YOU CLAIM INERRANCY- practice what you preach woman.
“Biblical authority is at stake in the debate between complementarianism and egalitarianism–because if you can get egalitarianism from the Bible, you can get anything from the Bible.” -J. Ligon Duncan III

LOL I guess this strips you naked

 

[DisciplePAG]

you are of course wrong as ever. Paul was talking about authoritative teaching when there was no New Testament. He was not talking about giving guidance from the New Testament. Indeed he commended Priscilla for her teaching.

Actually his statements were far reaching and applied to all doctrinal situations. Please humor us and show scriptural support for Priscilla being commmended for teaching men"?

 

[HQ]

I suggest you do yourself a favor and get a pencil. Start with Johns account. Do your own drawing/timeline of the sequence of events. Then go through the other 3. It takes about 10 minutes and WILL BLOW YOUR MIND at just how the "accident scene" is a "whole different accident".

I've studied these scriptures very carefully for many years and yet I cannot draw that same conclusion that you have.

Trust me- i would not risk the professional embarrasment of putting this information on paper if myslef ( and MANY others here ) had not done the homework we are asking you to do.....please do it for your own peace of mind. Dont take my word for it- just do it. I promise you will be VERY suprised at what you find for yourself.

How can you risk professional embarrassment when you're using a made-up user name??

So you're saying "trust me, I wouldn't lie to you because I have integrity"? Well if you're so confident about your evidence then just lay it all out for us. As you said, it will only take 10 minutes for schmucks like us. Imagine how much less time it will take for someone with your professional credentials and stature.

 

[DisciplePAG]

LOL I guess this strips you naked

please humor us and postulate why this "strips me naked"- if anything it points out the absurdity of her behavior, professing "infallibility" yet not even adhering to well known gospel basic doctrines.

Maybe Elin should find another person to defend her blatant disreguard for scripture, because your lack-luster efforts are only adding the the heresy that this thread has been plagued by....how can you profess "infallibility" and yet you promote open disobedience to its contents?

note* - if you have a name like valiant, maybe you need to change it to "submits to the authority of women, contrary to what scripture teaches"

 

[valiant]

Actually his statements were far reaching and applied to all doctrinal situations. Please humor us and show scriptural support for Priscilla being commmended for teaching men"?

Apollos began to preach more boldly in the synagogue. but when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, THEY took him and expounded to him the way of God more perfectly (Acts 18.26).

We note that Priscilla is mentioned first indicating her prominence in what happened.

 

[valiant]

please humor us and postulate why this "strips me naked"- if anything it points out the absurdity of her behavior, professing "infallibility" yet not even adhering to well known gospel basic doctrines.

Maybe Elin should find another person to defend her blatant disreguard for scripture, because your lack-luster efforts are only adding the the heresy that this thread has been plagued by....how can you profess "infallibility" and yet you promote open disobedience to its contents?

note* - if you have a name like valiant, maybe you need to change it to "submits to the authority of women, contrary to what scripture teaches"

lol at least I am humble enough not to have my nose in the air, every picture tells a story.

 

[Dan58]

If you're going to quote somebody else's work, then please provide a link to the source. Thank you.

I usually do, but I had copied part of that information long ago, then I got a new PC and lost the bookmark (link). Thanks for finding it.

Note* - Just because there are discrepancies in mans account, does not mean the "jist" of the story is true. Christ is King.

If there are discrepancies and contradictions, then how do you know for certain that 'Christ is King' or anything else? You open up a can of worms with that concept that has no resolution. If all scripture is God inspired, then I believe you can take it to the bank. Give me an example of where one gospel writer said one thing and another said the complete opposite?

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

How do you suppose men learn? By chattering and talking over others? Paul was addressing a specific problem with the church in Corinth, so he was essentially trying to bring order out of chaos. He was telling everyone to shut-up; "If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let one interpret. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church" (1 Corinthians 14:27-28). Paul wasn't prohibiting women from speaking, but to refrain from disrupting the service. He later wrote; "For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn" (1 Corinthians 14:31). You can't teach in a noisy crowd.

 

[Elin]

Scripture says NO woman is to teach or take authority over a man. Ever. Because of their involvement in the fall, and their lesser created order, under men...and for no other reason. They are NOT supposed to attempt to tell a man ANYTHING regarding the word of God, EVER..did the word come OUT of you, or TO you? ....

Another fail. . .

The context of 1Tim 2 is assembly worship, of 1Tim 3 is assembly leadership and of 1Tim 4-5 spiritual instruction to Timothy.

In 1Tim 2 women are not allowed in leadership over men in the assembly, not allowed to teach or have assembly leadership authority over them.

That does not apply outside the assembly (Ac 18:26), where a man very learned in the Scriptures was taught by both a man and a woman.
Likewise, Timothy himself had a Greek father and was taught the faith by his mother and probably also by his grandmother (2Tim 1:5).

Did Christian mothers not teach the faith to their sons at home?

Yet we see plainly that Elin is a usurper of authority and attempts to teach men.

Sorry to disappoint you. . .

 

[Elin]

TIME AND CULTURE?
Sometimes, you’ll hear people say, “Paul prohibition against women church leadership was only for that time and culture. Paul wrote those prohibitions because of the rampant, uneducated, Corinthian feminists who were disrupting church services in his day. He didn’t expect us to obey those commands in the modern era!”
That’s simply not true.
First of all, Paul prefaces his 1 Corinthian 14 command with the words, As in all the churches of the saints:
As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silent in the churches (1 Cor 14:33-34).
Second, when we read the 1 Timothy 2 injunction, we are met with the following words:
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve” (1 Tim 2:12-13).
We can see from the text that Paul’s reason for not allowing women to teach or exercise authority over men has NOTHING to do with his contemporary cultural context. Rather, Paul’s reason is simple: “Because God made Adam first.” In other words, Paul does not cite contemporary reasons for his ban, instead, he goes back to a Creation Ordinance in order to firmly ground his prohibitions.
CONCLUSIONS
Men and women are both made in the image of God (Gen 1:27). Accordingly, there is no demerit in the valuation of the soul of either sex. In the eyes of God, a saved soul is a saved soul–there is “neither male nor female” (Gal 3:28) when it comes to the value of a human soul. Concurrently, however, the sexes have vastly different roles within the church and in family life. The offices of pastor, elder, and deacon are open only to Christian men.
We must remember that most men will humbly serve Christ as laypeople. Most men will joyfully serve Christ and His Church outside the offices of pastor, elder, or deacon–and they are fine with that. All women must serve Christ and His Church outside the offices of pastor, elder, or deacon–and most women are fine with that. They’re fine, because as my wife stated the other night, “The issue is very clear in Scripture.” If we take what’s clear in Scripture and disobey it due to “contemporary cultural irrelevance,” then we should not be surprised when homosexual activists infiltrate our churches and begin using the same hermeneutical mispractices to explain away clear passages such as Romans 1:27. At the end of the day, this is not about women in ministry. This is about the inerrancy and authority of Scripture. SINCE YOU CLAIM INERRANCY- practice what you preach woman.
“Biblical authority is at stake in the debate between complementarianism and egalitarianism–because if you can get egalitarianism from the Bible, you can get anything from the Bible.” -J. Ligon Duncan III

Agreed. . .note the context (in blue).

The article is clear that it applies to the church/assembly and marriage.

It does not apply outside the church/assembly and marriage.

That is what I "preach" according to the word of God, and that is what I practice.

 

[Elin]

Apollos began to preach more boldly in the synagogue. but when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, THEY took him and expounded to him the way of God more perfectly (Acts 18.26).

We note that Priscilla is mentioned first indicating her prominence in what happened.

And Scripture says she did a good job. . .explaining it more perfectly.

 

[slave]

The longer we speak the more the Spirit in us shows itself.

God gives us all a warning, "Woe to those who call good evil and evil good, who put darkness for light and light for darkness." Isaiah 5:20.

Your infallible scripture dismissal is not all you have shared with us. You have shown us your view of Womens rights and Gods design for their involvements you have stated your position as a question for finding truth to a conclusion of others not in line with the thinking you have concluded , which means you no longer are seeking, are simply wrong. The diverse road you travel will continue if left submitted to anything lesser of God Himself. When God says "There is wisdom in a multitude of counselors." He doesn't mean there is wisdom in collective reasoning, in numbers. He means there is wisdom in Godly-counsel, put many around you and listen to them that know God and know them well and you will gain ground. But this takes one thing still lacking, pliability, approachability, yieldedness, humility; surrender before God.

God says to "....train yourself...." but he doesn't leave the verse open-ended as to how, He concludes in the verse "...to be godly." 1 Timothy 4:7. How can you do that without His counsel? Why will God give you that counsel before surrendering to His spirit? It starts with Faith. believing in your whole heart and by that accepting what He's dishing with all of your heart, mind, soul, and seeking it all the more as you see the value thru the understanding, then given, by the Holy Spirit in you.

He says in John 1:12, "Yet, to all who RECEIVED Him, to those who believe in His name, He also gave a right to become Children of God." What does "received Him" mean to you?​ This is a family, the body of Christ, your heart knows that God is speaking to you, let Him. He will restore you, to what He created you to be in Him. God bless. To me this thread is now dead, because God is done here. Your questions have been answered and many more resources are at your disposal....it's now up to you. As for me: I stake my life on the accuracy of His Word. Every last word spoken. I have never felt lost in doing so.

 

[Elin]

The longer we speak the more the Spirit in us shows itself.

God gives us all a warning, "Woe to those who call good evil and evil good, who put darkness for light and light for darkness." Isaiah 5:20.

Your infallible scripture dismissal is not all you have shared with us. You have shown us your view of Womens rights and Gods design for their involvements you have stated your position as a question for finding truth to a conclusion of others not in line with the thinking you have concluded , which means you no longer are seeking, are simply wrong. The diverse road you travel will continue if left submitted to anything lesser of God Himself. When God says "There is wisdom in a multitude of counselors." He doesn't mean there is wisdom in collective reasoning, in numbers. He means there is wisdom in Godly-counsel, put many around you and listen to them that know God and know them well and you will gain ground. But this takes one thing still lacking, pliability, approachability, yieldedness, humility; surrender before God.

God says to "....train yourself...." but he doesn't leave the verse open-ended as to how, He concludes in the verse "...to be godly." 1 Timothy 4:7. How can you do that without His counsel? Why will God give you that counsel before surrendering to His spirit? It starts with Faith. believing in your whole heart and by that accepting what He's dishing with all of your heart, mind, soul, and seeking it all the more as you see the value thru the understanding, then given, by the Holy Spirit in you.

He says in John 1:12, "Yet, to all who RECEIVED Him, to those who believe in His name, He also gave a right to become Children of God." What does "received Him" mean to you?​ This is a family, the body of Christ, your heart knows that God is speaking to you, let Him. He will restore you, to what He created you to be in Him. God bless. To me this thread is now dead, because God is done here. Your questions have been answered and many more resources are at your disposal....it's now up to you. As for me: I stake my life on the accuracy of His Word. Every last word spoken. I have never felt lost in doing so.

He is in bondage to himself and his own "critical thinking," and desperately needs our prayer.

Who knows, he may actually mean it down there somewhere that he would like to know God.

He has my prayer. . .and my love.

 

[crossnote]

Actually his statements were far reaching and applied to all doctrinal situations. Please humor us and show scriptural support for Priscilla being commmended for teaching men"?

Why would you want Scriptural support from a fallible source?

 

[slave]

He is in bondage to himself and his own "critical thinking," and desperately needs our prayer.

Who knows, he may actually mean it down there somewhere that he would like to know God.

He has my prayer. . .and my love.

I agree 100%, and you also have my prayers as well, [Disciple...], .. We are all on this love boat excursion together, we just all need to secure our visas. OK, that 70's lame tv series was a terrible example, but I did make myself laugh so it's not all bad.

 

[Elin]

Actually his statements were far reaching and applied to all doctrinal situations. Please humor us and show scriptural support for Priscilla being commmended for teaching men"?

She taught him "the way of God more perfectly." (Ac 18:26)

Does Scriptural support actually change anything for you?

 

[crossnote]

She taught him "the way of God more perfectly." (Ac 18:26)

Does Scriptural support actually change anything for you?

I ..uh..ah that might constitute a contradiction for him if it did.

 

[purgedconscience]

I usually do, but I had copied part of that information long ago, then I got a new PC and lost the bookmark (link). Thanks for finding it.

No worries and I'm sorry if I came across as sounding like a jerk. I was actually checking out that webpage last night for a bit and that is why I recognized the part of the content that you must have originally copied from it. No biggie and, again, I'm sorry if I came across as sounding like a jerk.

 

[Elin]

Maybe Elin should find another person to defend her blatant disreguard for scripture, because your lack-luster efforts are only adding to the heresy that this thread has been plagued by....how can you profess "infallibility" and yet you promote open disobedience to its contents?

note* - if you have a name like valiant, maybe you need to change it to "submits to the authority of women, contrary to what scripture teaches"

The title of your thread states your position plainly, and your agenda regarding it:
"Disproving the Infallibility of Scripture 101".

You are foolish enough to think your deception of believing the Bible will help you prevail in your argument against it.
How retarded is that?

 

[atwhatcost]

The title of your thread states your position plainly, and your agenda regarding it:
"Disproving the Infallibility of Scripture 101".

You are foolish enough to think your deception of believing the Bible will help you prevail in your argument against it.
How retarded is that?

He's gone.