Disproving Biblical Infallibility 101
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And that is true regarding all the discrepancies which he thinks are a clinching argument.
He doesn't know the difference between immaterial discrepancies and contradictions, and does not want to know.
He is so entrenched in his "critical thinking" that he is blind to and denies evidence to the contrary.
Only God can free him from this and give him the light of conviction regarding the truth of the Scriptures.
Yep. . .they are blindly locked in a catch-22.
Yep. . .and he is furious about that fact and vehemently denies it.
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You can all stand in adamant opposition to the truth- but the fact remains that what you call "immaterial discrepancies" are, in fact, contradictions. No amount of denial will change that. But who are we to second guess mans handwritten copied account, that admittedly has "discrepancies"? Moving on from this post...
Note* - Just because there are discrepancies in mans account, does not mean the "jist" of the story is true. Christ is King. Heretics abound, the blind will lead the blind, and many will fall away.
Note* - Just because there are discrepancies in mans account, does not mean the "jist" of the story is true. Christ is King. Heretics abound, the blind will lead the blind, and many will fall away.
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Jesus disagrees with you (Mt 15:6).
Jesus disagrees with you.
He scolded the Jews for their ignorance and neglect of Scripture: "Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures?". . .Have you not read. . ." "Go and learn what this means. . ." (Mk 12:24; Mt 12:3, 5 19:4, 21:16, 42, 9:13).
There is nothing "not of God" in any Biblical writings.
Jesus treated arguments from Scripture as final: "It is written. . ." "the scripture cannot be broken." (Mt 5:18; Lk 16:17)
Jesus disagrees with you.
He scolded the Jews for their ignorance and neglect of Scripture: "Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures?". . .Have you not read. . ." "Go and learn what this means. . ." (Mk 12:24; Mt 12:3, 5 19:4, 21:16, 42, 9:13).
There is nothing "not of God" in any Biblical writings.
Jesus treated arguments from Scripture as final: "It is written. . ." "the scripture cannot be broken." (Mt 5:18; Lk 16:17)
Valient wrote
The Holy Spirit also speaks through scripture but the primary means of revelation must be the Spirit within, who is inerrant. It is true that we will not have His word on everything but what He does teach is inerrant and we can be sure of it. Just because men who are not filled with the Spirit say so and so, does not cancel out God's primary means of revelation, backed up by scripture as I said.
I strongly recommend the following by Robert Barclay theologian to understand the rightful place of the Spirit's leading and the rightful place of scripture:
Apology, Proposition 2
Apology, Proposition 3
I strongly recommend the following by Robert Barclay theologian to understand the rightful place of the Spirit's leading and the rightful place of scripture:
Apology, Proposition 2
Apology, Proposition 3
Nope. . .it's only a contradiction when an account says that is it not so, does not allow it.
Not every fact regarding any account has been recorded.
No account disallows any other account.
All are reconcilable. . .much to your dismay. . .for it means your "critical thinking" cannot unseat the truth of the Bible.
You need to be freed from you bondage to it, so that you may receive the truth from above.
Not every fact regarding any account has been recorded.
No account disallows any other account.
All are reconcilable. . .much to your dismay. . .for it means your "critical thinking" cannot unseat the truth of the Bible.
You need to be freed from you bondage to it, so that you may receive the truth from above.
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Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Read and Obey 2 Timothy. Unless of
course that doesn't qualify.
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Read and Obey 2 Timothy. Unless of
course that doesn't qualify.
Scripture says NO woman is to teach or take authority over a man. Ever. Because of their involvement in the fall, and their lesser created order, under men...and for no other reason. They are NOT supposed to attempt to tell a man ANYTHING regarding the word of God, EVER..did the word come OUT of you, or TO you? ....Yet we see plainly that Elin is a usurper of authority and attempts to teach men.
She is blatantly in opposition to scripture and does walk in disobedience. If your going to preach that the word is infallible and true, you might want to exercise a little respect for it and adhere to its teachings.
She is blatantly in opposition to scripture and does walk in disobedience. If your going to preach that the word is infallible and true, you might want to exercise a little respect for it and adhere to its teachings.
TIME AND CULTURE?
Sometimes, you’ll hear people say, “Paul prohibition against women church leadership was only for that time and culture. Paul wrote those prohibitions because of the rampant, uneducated, Corinthian feminists who were disrupting church services in his day. He didn’t expect us to obey those commands in the modern era!”
That’s simply not true.
First of all, Paul prefaces his 1 Corinthian 14 command with the words, As in all the churches of the saints:
As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silent in the churches (1 Cor 14:33-34).
Second, when we read the 1 Timothy 2 injunction, we are met with the following words:
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve” (1 Tim 2:12-13).
We can see from the text that Paul’s reason for not allowing women to teach or exercise authority over men has NOTHING to do with his contemporary cultural context. Rather, Paul’s reason is simple: “Because God made Adam first.” In other words, Paul does not cite contemporary reasons for his ban, instead, he goes back to a Creation Ordinance in order to firmly ground his prohibitions.
CONCLUSIONS
Men and women are both made in the image of God (Gen 1:27). Accordingly, there is no demerit in the valuation of the soul of either sex. In the eyes of God, a saved soul is a saved soul–there is “neither male nor female” (Gal 3:28) when it comes to the value of a human soul. Concurrently, however, the sexes have vastly different roles within the church and in family life. The offices of pastor, elder, and deacon are open only to Christian men.
We must remember that most men will humbly serve Christ as laypeople. Most men will joyfully serve Christ and His Church outside the offices of pastor, elder, or deacon–and they are fine with that. All women must serve Christ and His Church outside the offices of pastor, elder, or deacon–and most women are fine with that. They’re fine, because as my wife stated the other night, “The issue is very clear in Scripture.” If we take what’s clear in Scripture and disobey it due to “contemporary cultural irrelevance,” then we should not be surprised when homosexual activists infiltrate our churches and begin using the same hermeneutical mispractices to explain away clear passages such as Romans 1:27. At the end of the day, this is not about women in ministry. This is about the inerrancy and authority of Scripture. SINCE YOU CLAIM INERRANCY- practice what you preach woman.
“Biblical authority is at stake in the debate between complementarianism and egalitarianism–because if you can get egalitarianism from the Bible, you can get anything from the Bible.” -J. Ligon Duncan III
Sometimes, you’ll hear people say, “Paul prohibition against women church leadership was only for that time and culture. Paul wrote those prohibitions because of the rampant, uneducated, Corinthian feminists who were disrupting church services in his day. He didn’t expect us to obey those commands in the modern era!”
That’s simply not true.
First of all, Paul prefaces his 1 Corinthian 14 command with the words, As in all the churches of the saints:
As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silent in the churches (1 Cor 14:33-34).
Second, when we read the 1 Timothy 2 injunction, we are met with the following words:
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve” (1 Tim 2:12-13).
We can see from the text that Paul’s reason for not allowing women to teach or exercise authority over men has NOTHING to do with his contemporary cultural context. Rather, Paul’s reason is simple: “Because God made Adam first.” In other words, Paul does not cite contemporary reasons for his ban, instead, he goes back to a Creation Ordinance in order to firmly ground his prohibitions.
CONCLUSIONS
Men and women are both made in the image of God (Gen 1:27). Accordingly, there is no demerit in the valuation of the soul of either sex. In the eyes of God, a saved soul is a saved soul–there is “neither male nor female” (Gal 3:28) when it comes to the value of a human soul. Concurrently, however, the sexes have vastly different roles within the church and in family life. The offices of pastor, elder, and deacon are open only to Christian men.
We must remember that most men will humbly serve Christ as laypeople. Most men will joyfully serve Christ and His Church outside the offices of pastor, elder, or deacon–and they are fine with that. All women must serve Christ and His Church outside the offices of pastor, elder, or deacon–and most women are fine with that. They’re fine, because as my wife stated the other night, “The issue is very clear in Scripture.” If we take what’s clear in Scripture and disobey it due to “contemporary cultural irrelevance,” then we should not be surprised when homosexual activists infiltrate our churches and begin using the same hermeneutical mispractices to explain away clear passages such as Romans 1:27. At the end of the day, this is not about women in ministry. This is about the inerrancy and authority of Scripture. SINCE YOU CLAIM INERRANCY- practice what you preach woman.
“Biblical authority is at stake in the debate between complementarianism and egalitarianism–because if you can get egalitarianism from the Bible, you can get anything from the Bible.” -J. Ligon Duncan III