Disqualified

[Mooky]

"No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize."
1 Corinthians 9:27


Just wondering if the apostle Paul is implying that a believer who backslides could bring disqualify him/herself for service in the gospel......(by bringing reproach on the gospel.)

FOOTNOTE: If so, where does "no condemnation" factor in?

 

[SeaBass]

"No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize."
1 Corinthians 9:27


Just wondering if the apostle Paul is implying that a believer who backslides could bring disqualify him/herself for service in the gospel......(by bringing reproach on the gospel.)

FOOTNOTE: If so, where does "no condemnation" factor in?

Castaway would mean to forfeit one's promise of salvation. A better word for castaway (adokimos) would be "reprobate" as in Rom 1:28; 2 Cor 13:5; 2 Tim 3:8:
Greek Lexicon :: G96 (KJV)

The word adokimos doesn't mean disqualified from preaching the gospel but become a lost reprobate. There is 'no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus" Rom 8:1. As long as one CONDITIONALLY remains "in Christ Jesus" there is no condemnation but one can fall from Christ becoming lost reprobate.

 

[secularhermit]

"No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize."
1 Corinthians 9:27


Just wondering if the apostle Paul is implying that a believer who backslides could bring disqualify him/herself for service in the gospel......(by bringing reproach on the gospel.)

FOOTNOTE: If so, where does "no condemnation" factor in?

The OT talks on punishing... Paul{ s latter are misguiding many ppl (and they, and I will see how and where)

 

[crossnote]

"No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize."
1 Corinthians 9:27


Just wondering if the apostle Paul is implying that a believer who backslides could bring disqualify him/herself for service in the gospel......(by bringing reproach on the gospel.)

FOOTNOTE: If so, where does "no condemnation" factor in?

What's in question is disqualification for service in the ministry not loss of salvation (in which one's standing is no condemnation ).

 

[Mooky]

What's in question is disqualification for service in the ministry not loss of salvation (in which one's standing is no condemnation ).

Thanks for your reply.Please clarify.If Person x backslides for 4 years and comes back to Christ ...would that disqualify him/her from becoming a missionary or pastor or does that include ALL forms of christian service eg.serving in a soup kitchen/feeding the homeless/teaching Sunday school etc.? And what does Paul mean by "the prize"? Does that refer to eternal reward which is forfeit through a few careless years ? And what about the verse which says "I will restore the years that the locust has eaten".....?

 

[SeaBass]

Thanks for your reply.Please clarify.If Person x backslides for 4 years and comes back to Christ

If Paul could not lose his salvation then backsliding would not be possible and he could not "come back to Christ" for he never left Christ.

...would that disqualify him/her from becoming a missionary or pastor or does that include ALL forms of christian service eg.serving in a soup kitchen/feeding the homeless/teaching Sunday school etc.?

A Christian that backslides but repents coming back to Christ still has the obligation (as all other Christians) in preaching/teaching/carrying out the great commission Mt 28:19,20, do good works Eph 2:10, to encourage and exhort other Christians, Heb 3:13 and has not been disqualified from doing any of these things but is required to do so. Rev 2, those at the church in Ephesus backslide leaving their first love but were commanded to "Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works;" They were not disqualified from doing those first works (good works, teaching/preaching, etc) but commanded to do them.

And what does Paul mean by "the prize"? Does that refer to eternal reward which is forfeit through a few careless years ? And what about the verse which says "I will restore the years that the locust has eaten".....?

"Incorruptible crown" = eternal life.

 

[TWAN]

Taking on sin are the blows to the body or "stripes". The prize is the Spirit of Christ. One can not preach which is not known. Works are the roots. Words are the leaves. Christ is the source, He is "The root of Jessie". "The true vine". His word is unchangable.

Man however, is rooted in evil. He requires water to work and light to speak.

The Son of Man uses Spirit to work and Fire to speak. The thorns may choke out man, but can only pierce the vine. They are sharp. Not strong. They crumble under pressure. The Vine only gets stronger the more it tightens. It is deeply rooted. The thorn can only strike, for if it presses it is sure to snap.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

"No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize."
1 Corinthians 9:27


Just wondering if the apostle Paul is implying that a believer who backslides could bring disqualify him/herself for service in the gospel......(by bringing reproach on the gospel.)

FOOTNOTE: If so, where does "no condemnation" factor in?

In Corinthians Paul uses "sports" terms as analogies to our Christian walk. Corinth was steeped in athletic competitions being the center of the Pantheon games (similar to Olympics). He is speaking of losing "rewards".

Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. . . .Now they do it for a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

He brings his body under subjection as one in training . . . so that he will not be disqualified from receiving the prize - incorruptible crown (v25).


IMHO . . .

 

[DesiredHaven]

Paul said...

1Cr 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection:
lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Jesus said...

Luke 9:25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world,
and lose himself, or be cast away?

Paul said to Tim

1 Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself,
and unto the doctrine; continue in them:
for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

Castaway means



Castaway /reprobate


1Cr 9:27 But I keep under my body , and bring it into subjection :
lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway

2Cr 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith;
prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves,
how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge,
God gave them over to a reprobate mind,
to do those things which are not convenient;

Jerm 6:30 Reprobate silver shall men call them,
because the LORD hath rejected them.

Same word rejected in both when it come to the reprobate and that which beareth thorns

Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected,
and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him,
being abominable, and disobedient,
and unto every good work reprobate

Theres some if they would be helpful

 

[dcontroversal]

What's in question is disqualification for service in the ministry not loss of salvation (in which one's standing is no condemnation ).

I agree with this...it is not about salvation, but being qualified to hold the position of the which he held...

 

[MarcR]

If Paul could not lose his salvation then backsliding would not be possible and he could not "come back to Christ" for he never left Christ.





A Christian that backslides but repents coming back to Christ still has the obligation (as all other Christians) in preaching/teaching/carrying out the great commission Mt 28:19,20, do good works Eph 2:10, to encourage and exhort other Christians, Heb 3:13 and has not been disqualified from doing any of these things but is required to do so. Rev 2, those at the church in Ephesus backslide leaving their first love but were commanded to "Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works;" They were not disqualified from doing those first works (good works, teaching/preaching, etc) but commanded to do them.



"Incorruptible crown" = eternal life.

Backsliding does NOT result in loss of Salvation. It always results in chastisement and sometimes results in wickedness.

1 Co 5:1-5
It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
KJV


If we backslide so as to compromise our testimony or the testimony of the church; we may be called home early, and perhaps painfully or unpleasantly; but even then salvation is NOT lost.

 

[dcontroversal]

Backsliding does NOT result in loss of Salvation. It always results in chastisement and sometimes results in wickedness.

1 Co 5:1-5
It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
KJV


If we backslide so as to compromise our testimony or the testimony of the church; we may be called home early, and perhaps painfully or unpleasantly; but even then salvation is NOT lost.

He and his cronies have no concept of this......no concept of chastisement for the believer or the security of the believer!

 

[crossnote]

Thanks for your reply.Please clarify.If Person x backslides for 4 years and comes back to Christ ...would that disqualify him/her from becoming a missionary or pastor or does that include ALL forms of christian service eg.serving in a soup kitchen/feeding the homeless/teaching Sunday school etc.? And what does Paul mean by "the prize"? Does that refer to eternal reward which is forfeit through a few careless years ? And what about the verse which says "I will restore the years that the locust has eaten".....?

I would say that Paul is speaking of ruining one's reputation so as not to be very believable for the Gospel's sake. Four years is quite some time but if the return is genuine then hopefully the growth will also be genuine. That person won't be put into immediate ministry but will go through a 'let's see ' period.
You mentioned teaching Sunday School. I consider that position should have the most stringent requirements since there is impressionable minds at stake. It's too bad many throw nearly anybody in that position.
Prize? Yes well, there are loss of rewards etc. and God does restore for sure, but I don't have any specific details how that all pans out.

 

[SeaBass]

Backsliding does NOT result in loss of Salvation. It always results in chastisement and sometimes results in wickedness.

1 Co 5:1-5
It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
KJV


If we backslide so as to compromise our testimony or the testimony of the church; we may be called home early, and perhaps painfully or unpleasantly; but even then salvation is NOT lost.

According to the bible, backsliding most certainly leads to the loss of the promise of salvation.

In the passage you cited above the man backslide into fornication, a lost condition, Gal 5:19-17 those that commit fornication, such shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God. He must repent or perish, Lk 13:3,5, they were to withdraw and dis-fellowship this man and 2 Cor 2:6,7 indicates they did and this man repented.


2 Tim 4:4 "And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."

Some backslide from the truth that saves unto fables that do not save. "Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins." Again, a brother can backslide from truth to error and becomes lost unless that 'sinner' converted and saved from spiritual death. (He goes from a brother to a lost sinner needing to be converted again.)

The one sheep backslides from the 100 becoming "lost"
the prodigal backslide in spending money on harlots becoming "dead"
some backslide due to unbelief, Heb 4:11 cf Jn 3:18
Peter speaks of those Christians that backslide to hogs wallowing in the mire/dogs return to eating own vomit, denying the Lord that bought them 2 Pet 2:1.


Each and every case cited above the promise of salvation was lost unless the person(s) involved CONDITIONALLY repented/converted back.

In some cases no repentance/conversion takes place and some disciples are gathered as branches and cast into the fire, Jn 15:1-6; Judas the apostle is lost, Jn 17:12; some disciples turn to follow no more, Jn 6:66.

 

[SeaBass]

Paul said...

1Cr 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection:
lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Jesus said...

Luke 9:25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world,
and lose himself, or be cast away?

Paul said to Tim

1 Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself,
and unto the doctrine; continue in them:
for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

Castaway means

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Castaway /reprobate


1Cr 9:27 But I keep under my body , and bring it into subjection :
lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway

2Cr 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith;
prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves,
how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge,
God gave them over to a reprobate mind,
to do those things which are not convenient;

Jerm 6:30 Reprobate silver shall men call them,
because the LORD hath rejected them.

Same word rejected in both when it come to the reprobate and that which beareth thorns

Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected,
and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him,
being abominable, and disobedient,
and unto every good work reprobate

Theres some if they would be helpful

Coffman Commentary:

I myself should be rejected ... As Foy E. Wallace, Jr., said: "The translators (in this place) were evidently attempting to circumvent the possibility of apostasy."[22] There is no excuse for rendering the word here [@adokimos] as either "rejected" (English Revised Version (1885)) or "disqualified" (RSV). It means "reprobate" and is so translated elsewhere in the New Testament (Romans 1:28; 2 Corinthians 13:5,6,7; 2Tim.3:8; Titus 1:16). It is thus crystal clear that the apostle Paul, even after the world-shaking ministry of the word of God which characterized his life, considered it possible that he himself could become reprobate and lose the eternal reward. It was for the purpose of avoiding that possibility that he buffeted his body, walked in the strictest discipline, and devoted every possible effort to the service of the Lord. His example should put an end to all thoughts of "having it made" as a Christian and being certain to win eternal life apart from the most faithful continuance in God's service.

We must therefore refuse interpretations of this passage such as that of Morris, who said, "Paul's fear was not that he might lose his salvation, but that he might lose his crown through failing to satisfy his Lord."[23] Clearly it was such a view as this that led to the mistranslation of 1 Corinthians 9:27; but the truth is available and clear enough for all who desire to know it.
The hope of eternal life is not sealed in a single glorious moment in one's experience of conversion; but it is a lifelong fidelity to the risen Lord, the running of life's race all the way to the finish line. As DeHoff wrote:

Not until every thought and imagination of man's heart is brought into subjection is his conversion complete. In this sense, conversion goes on as long as we live; and we are finally free from sin only when the day dawns and the shadows flee away, and we stand justified in the presence of God with the redeemed of all ages.[24]

​

Farrar's analysis of this verse is as follows:

The word "reprobate" here rendered "a castaway" (KJV) is a metaphor derived from the testing of metals, and the casting aside of those which are spurious. That Paul should see the necessity for such serious and unceasing effort shows how little he believed in saintly works of "supererogation, over and above what is commanded." "When the cedar of Lebanon trembles, what shall the reed by the brookside do?"[25]

​

It might be added that this passage also shows how little Paul believed any such doctrine as the "final perseverance of the saints," called also "the impossibility of apostasy."

[22] Foy E. Wallace, Jr., A Review of the New Versions (Fort Worth, Texas: The Foy E. Wallace Jr., Publications, 1973), p. 435.
[23] Leon Morris, op. cit., p. 140.[24] George W. DeHoff, op. cit., p. 78.
[25] F. W. Farrar, The Pulpit Commentary (Grand Rapids, Michigan: Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1950), Vol. 19, p. 291.

 

[dcontroversal]

According to the bible, backsliding most certainly leads to the loss of the promise of salvation.

In the passage you cited above the man backslide into fornication, a lost condition, Gal 5:19-17 those that commit fornication, such shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God. He must repent or perish, Lk 13:3,5, they were to withdraw and dis-fellowship this man and 2 Cor 2:6,7 indicates they did and this man repented.


2 Tim 4:4 "And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."

Some backslide from the truth that saves unto fables that do not save. "Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins." Again, a brother can backslide from truth to error and becomes lost unless that 'sinner' converted and saved from spiritual death. (He goes from a brother to a lost sinner needing to be converted again.)

The one sheep backslides from the 100 becoming "lost"
the prodigal backslide in spending money on harlots becoming "dead"
some backslide due to unbelief, Heb 4:11 cf Jn 3:18
Peter speaks of those Christians that backslide to hogs wallowing in the mire/dogs return to eating own vomit, denying the Lord that bought them 2 Pet 2:1.


Each and every case cited above the promise of salvation was lost unless the person(s) involved CONDITIONALLY repented/converted back.

In some cases no repentance/conversion takes place and some are gathered as branches and cast into the fire, Jn 15:1-6; Judas the apostle is lost, Jn 17:12; some disciples turn to follow no more, Jn 6:66.

Someone saved cannot backslide and lose salvation....that is your COC dogma speaking......try again...!

 

[SeaBass]

Someone saved cannot backslide and lose salvation....that is your COC dogma speaking......try again...!

...too late.....just proved it from the bible....

 

[DesiredHaven]

Whats it say?

You have that one in a nutshell?

 

[dcontroversal]

...too late.....just proved it from the bible....

No actually you didn't...you took scriptures out of context and applied them where they are not applied......sorry....you do this quite a bit and then you post another guy's commentaries which mean nothing.....try again!

 

[SeaBass]

No actually you didn't...you took scriptures out of context and applied them where they are not applied......sorry....you do this quite a bit and then you post another guy's commentaries which mean nothing.....try again!

Your last two posts prove you have no biblical response to what I posted.