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Yeah you bet...or maybe I choose to not cast the truth out to have it trampled underfoot by someone who is an unbeliever who stands on the dogma of Alexander Campbell......who consistently rejects the truth and has had numerous people prove wrong....so...keep believing your pseudo gospel of a watered down working your self to heaven gospel friend.
a. False and lies...the man in fornication did not repent, cut lose for the destruction of the flesh so the SPIRIT may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus<---still saved not lost
b. The lost are always spoken of is such manners.....not talking about saved people who commit fornication...see point a...more heresy from you
c. Can be applied unto physical death see point a....more deception and error from you
d. The sheep never became a goat, but was still a sheep-->not lost still saved...more deception from you
e. The prodigal was still a son and only perceived as dead by his actions...still saved...more heresy from you
f. The children of Israel were delivered from the bondage of sin represented by Egypt, were not under grace and paid the price physically...see point a...more heresy from you
g. No guarantee they were saved to begin with....more rigmarole from you and deceit
You have no understanding of the truth and need to take your COC rose colored glasses off and view the truth through context and truth instead of Alexander Campbellite doctrine!
What is funny is that you quote Timothy, not realizing that you are speaking of yourself and the dogma that you stand on.....and the Galatian letter proves your stance is false....You cannot begin in the spirit and then be made complete by the works of the flesh.....wake up dude!
b. The lost are always spoken of is such manners.....not talking about saved people who commit fornication...see point a...more heresy from you
c. Can be applied unto physical death see point a....more deception and error from you
d. The sheep never became a goat, but was still a sheep-->not lost still saved...more deception from you
e. The prodigal was still a son and only perceived as dead by his actions...still saved...more heresy from you
f. The children of Israel were delivered from the bondage of sin represented by Egypt, were not under grace and paid the price physically...see point a...more heresy from you
g. No guarantee they were saved to begin with....more rigmarole from you and deceit
You have no understanding of the truth and need to take your COC rose colored glasses off and view the truth through context and truth instead of Alexander Campbellite doctrine!
What is funny is that you quote Timothy, not realizing that you are speaking of yourself and the dogma that you stand on.....and the Galatian letter proves your stance is false....You cannot begin in the spirit and then be made complete by the works of the flesh.....wake up dude!
Paul is talking about his person preventive maintenance program. I will present 3 Bible versions.
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. KJV
But I subdue my body, and reduce it to servitude; or else, when I have preached to others, I myself should despise myself. AENT
I treat my body hard and make it my slave so that, after proclaiming the Good News to others, I myself will not be disqualified. CJB
I hope this helps clear up some things for you.
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. KJV
But I subdue my body, and reduce it to servitude; or else, when I have preached to others, I myself should despise myself. AENT
I treat my body hard and make it my slave so that, after proclaiming the Good News to others, I myself will not be disqualified. CJB
I hope this helps clear up some things for you.
2 Cor 2:5-7 provides good evidence the man did repent. Commentators as Barnes, Clarke, Coke and many others think so too.
The issue really is can a Christian turn to live in fornication yet not lose the promise of salvation? No.
The prodigal was said to be 'dead' and 'alive again', obviously does not refer to his physical state but spiritual.
The sheep is plainly said to be lost. The Shepherd would not go looking for that which is not lost/saved but seeks and saved that which is lost.
The issue really is can a Christian turn to live in fornication yet not lose the promise of salvation? No.
The prodigal was said to be 'dead' and 'alive again', obviously does not refer to his physical state but spiritual.
The sheep is plainly said to be lost. The Shepherd would not go looking for that which is not lost/saved but seeks and saved that which is lost.
--Paul said the man "hath" his father's wife...the man was already moved into a state of fornication > LOST. The only way out of this lost state for this man is for him to repent of his sin else perish if he remains impenitent, Lk 13:3,5
--Paul instructs the Corinthians to remove this man, disfellowship this man, practice discipline upon this man...why? That the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. "May" is in the subjunctive mood indicating something may or MAY NOT occur depending on circumstances. Paul did not say the man would for certain, guaranteed be saved. The discipline MAY bring about the desired results but it MAY not.
--Paul instructs the Corinthians to remove this man, disfellowship this man, practice discipline upon this man...why? That the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. "May" is in the subjunctive mood indicating something may or MAY NOT occur depending on circumstances. Paul did not say the man would for certain, guaranteed be saved. The discipline MAY bring about the desired results but it MAY not.
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1Cr 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1 Cr 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1 Cr 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth.
Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
Yeah he does say not to eat with what is called a brother in those things and then calls that person a wicked person to be put away from them.
Good thing he repented, but if he had not, who knows? Depends on which camp you identify yourself with.
Theres alot of railers in the churches though, they usually keep them around though
1 Cr 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1 Cr 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth.
Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
Yeah he does say not to eat with what is called a brother in those things and then calls that person a wicked person to be put away from them.
Good thing he repented, but if he had not, who knows? Depends on which camp you identify yourself with.
Theres alot of railers in the churches though, they usually keep them around though
The book of Jude describes men who are considered twice dead. In verse 4, they are described as certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. In verse 12, they are described as spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried about by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, uprooted. This is not descriptive of believers or losing salvation. A tree being dead to the core as such a tree was utterly incapable of producing good fruit then being uprooted is twice dead.
Notice in Jude 12 that these trees will be "uprooted."
Notice in Matthew 15:13, Jesus said - Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant shall be "uprooted."
Notice in Jude 12 that these trees will be "uprooted."
Notice in Matthew 15:13, Jesus said - Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant shall be "uprooted."
The word adokimos means 'disapproved'. The basic idea is that a person who has Christ's approval in service could through the entry of worldly motives or activities into their lives become disapproved, and therefore no longer useful in service.
Paul is not saying that such a person could not repent of their failures and become approved again. That is another question. His desire is to prevent the need for it happening.
Paul is not here talking about salvation. Salvation is not our activity but Christ's. He is talking abut how we respond within the sphere of that salvation.
Paul is not saying that such a person could not repent of their failures and become approved again. That is another question. His desire is to prevent the need for it happening.
Paul is not here talking about salvation. Salvation is not our activity but Christ's. He is talking abut how we respond within the sphere of that salvation.
Yes Paul is 100% suggesting that most failed or to quote Paul
"Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness." 1 Cor 10:5
Paul is saying simply do not take things for granted. Grace is given for a reason, not to be squandered.
"So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall!" 1 Cor 10:12
It is like someone paying for you to go to university and learn how to be a good doctor.
You go to the university, play around and start murdering and exploiting your patients.
Paul is making the case though we have grace, we are called to behave and act a particular way, to see reality as it really is, and be ultimately responsible, sensible, good people. If this does not happen, then the gospel for that person is meaningless, and empty and judgement will fall.
It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.” 2 Peter 2:21-22
People do fall away, get lost in the world, loose the light. To suggest this does not happen is both not biblical and not the experience we have of people.
I would suggest you look at the prosperity gospel preachers, and one I know very well, who though I would have said in the past knew the Lord, certainly worships a different God to me. But how could this be, unless spirituality and eternity are different than we first think, and few literally find eternal life, though many partake in the blessing.
"Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness." 1 Cor 10:5
Paul is saying simply do not take things for granted. Grace is given for a reason, not to be squandered.
"So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall!" 1 Cor 10:12
It is like someone paying for you to go to university and learn how to be a good doctor.
You go to the university, play around and start murdering and exploiting your patients.
Paul is making the case though we have grace, we are called to behave and act a particular way, to see reality as it really is, and be ultimately responsible, sensible, good people. If this does not happen, then the gospel for that person is meaningless, and empty and judgement will fall.
It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.” 2 Peter 2:21-22
People do fall away, get lost in the world, loose the light. To suggest this does not happen is both not biblical and not the experience we have of people.
I would suggest you look at the prosperity gospel preachers, and one I know very well, who though I would have said in the past knew the Lord, certainly worships a different God to me. But how could this be, unless spirituality and eternity are different than we first think, and few literally find eternal life, though many partake in the blessing.
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Amen! Paul said disqualified for the prize, not disqualified for the gift of eternal life. In context, Paul has been discussing preaching the gospel. In verse 18 he says, "What is my reward, then?" In verses 24-27 he illustrates this thought of his reward by the picture of a race run for the prize. We must pay attention to the context—this passage concerns reward, prize not losing salvation. Salvation is a gift that we receive by grace through faith, not a prize that we race for to win. Verse 24 settles the matter for me. 24 - Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. That sounds like running a race in the Olympics. All runners run but only one gets the gold medal. So what happens to the runners that get the silver medal or bronze medal or finish the race with no medal? Are they disqualified from the Olympics or from the prize, receiving the gold medal?
Reprobate is the correct word for it shows Paul is saying he can become lost. The use of the word 'disqualified' is to avoid the force of the word 'reprobate' where it can then be said Paul is disqualified from this or disqualified from that but not disqualified from salvation when the word reprobate proves beyond doubt Paul is saying he can become a reprobate i.e, lost. The word adokimos is translated reprobate elsewhere and no good reason why it should not be here in 1 Cor 9:27 also.
You reap what you sow. How long does it take to pass an exam. Years of study, gaining knowledge and then the test over a few hours.
Paul is making a valid point. We are commiting ourselves to a whole view of righteousness, love, wisdom, good works, change, theology which has a consistent step to it, driven by free will and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. It is always possible to change your mind, compromise, walk away, give up, find yourself emotionally and spiritually defeated.
Jesus said we need to be worthy of him, we need to acknowledge him, we need to work for His kingdom. This is not passive and also implies just saying I have arrived is actually failure and a denial of the message.
Paul is making a valid point. We are commiting ourselves to a whole view of righteousness, love, wisdom, good works, change, theology which has a consistent step to it, driven by free will and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. It is always possible to change your mind, compromise, walk away, give up, find yourself emotionally and spiritually defeated.
Jesus said we need to be worthy of him, we need to acknowledge him, we need to work for His kingdom. This is not passive and also implies just saying I have arrived is actually failure and a denial of the message.