Do SDA believe Michael is God?

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We (few?) must love all our neighbors, including SDAs, Romanists, JW's, and Mormons.

But, we must Also hate all false doctrines they teach, Even as God HATES all sin.
Amen?

"Complete" Case JESUS Is Almighty God!

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I know several well respected members here that are SDA's They don't press it but they're mostly well grounded. Remember that the sabbath day was Saturday till the RCC changed it to Sunday.
 

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I know several well respected members here that are SDA's They don't press it but they're mostly well grounded. Remember that the sabbath day was Saturday
So, the not-so-well grounded SDAs are "the pressers" that Sunday/7-Day keepers
/worshippers are lost, being disobedient to Saturday keeping/worshipping?
 

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So, the not-so-well grounded SDAs are "the pressers" that Sunday/7-Day keepers
/worshippers are lost, being disobedient to Saturday keeping/worshipping?
I personally think setting aside 1 day a week for Jesus is cheating him. We are saved every. Every day belongs to the Lord not just the sabbath.
 
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""These Things Saith the Amen." This is, then, the final message to the churches before the close of probation. The description given of the indifferent Laodiceans is fearful and startling. Nevertheless, it cannot be denied, for the Witness is "faithful and true." Moreover, He is "the beginning of the creation of God." Some attempt by this language to uphold the error that Christ is a created being, dating His existence anterior to that of any other created being or thing, next to the self-existent and eternal God. But the language does not imply that He was created; for the words, "the beginning of the creation," may simply signify that the work of creation, strictly speaking, was begun by Him. "Without Him was not anything made." Others, however, and more properly we think, take the word {GREEK CHARACTERS IN PRINTED TEXT}, arche, to mean the "agent" or "efficient cause," which is one of the definitions of the word, understanding that Christ is the agent through whom God has created all things. " (DANIEL AND THE REVELATION By URIAH SMITH, page 153 )
Consider
The Kalam Cosmological Argument implies that the universe was created.
1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
2. The universe began to exist.
3. Therefore, the universe has a cause.
That cause is God,

Col 1:15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Braces are mine
Premise 1: Whatever begins to exist has a cause (in this universe)
Premise 2: Jesus was firstborn
Premise 3: All things were created by him (and) for him.
Premise 4: There is one God who is Lord. El Shaddai.
Premise 5: Jesus was not created. The negative violates Premise 3, Jesus cannot create/substantiate Jesus.

(Premise 3) El Shaddai and Jesus created the universe
(Premise 2+3) El Shaddai created the universe and begat Jesus. Together populated the universe.
(Premise 1+2+3+5) El Shaddai begat Jesus before the creating the universe. Or Jesus is God. Together populated the universe.
(Premise 1+2+3+4+5) El Shaddai begat Jesus before the creating the universe. Together populated the universe.
 

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Do SDA believe Michael is God?
Well, like the Jehovah's Witnesses, the SDA's believe that Michael is Jesus, but unlike the Jehovah's Witnesses, the SDA are trinitarians, so yes, technically, the SDA's believe Michael is God.
 

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Well, like the Jehovah's Witnesses, the SDA's believe that Michael is Jesus, but unlike the Jehovah's Witnesses, the SDA are trinitarians, so yes, technically, the SDA's believe Michael is God.
If I understand you right.

Jesus is Michael
Jesus is God
Therefore Michael is fully God and fully Man.

I know you mean
Therefore Michael is fully God

Historical Christians do not beileve that the Son of God is Michael.
And, I am sure you know that.
 

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Michael the Archangel
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(Hebrew "Who is like God?").

St. Michael is one of the principal angels; his name was the war-cry of the good angels in the battle fought in heaven against the enemy and his followers. Four times his name is recorded in Scripture:

(1) Daniel 10:13 sqq., Gabriel says to Daniel, when he asks God to permit the Jews to return to Jerusalem: "The Angel [D.V. prince] of the kingdom of the Persians resisted me . . . and, behold Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me . . . and none is my helper in all these things, but Michael your prince."

(2) Daniel 12, the Angel speaking of the end of the world and the Antichrist says: "At that time shall Michael rise up, the great prince, who standeth for the children of thy people."

(3) In the Catholic Epistle of St. Jude: "When Michael the Archangel, disputing with the devil, contended about the body of Moses", etc. St. Jude alludes to an ancient Jewish tradition of a dispute between Michael and Satan over the body of Moses, an account of which is also found in the apocryphal book on the assumption of Moses (Origen, De Principiis III.2.2). St. Michael concealed the tomb of Moses; Satan, however, by disclosing it, tried to seduce the Jewish people to the sin of hero-worship. St. Michael also guards the body of Eve, according to the "Revelation of Moses" ("Apocryphal Gospels", etc., ed. A. Walker, Edinburgh, p. 647).

(4) Apocalypse 12:7, "And there was a great battle in heaven, Michael and his angels fought with the dragon." St. John speaks of the great conflict at the end of time, which reflects also the battle in heaven at the beginning of time. According to the Fathers there is often question of St. Michael in Scripture where his name is not mentioned. They say he was the cherub who stood at the gate of paradise, "to keep the way of the tree of life" (Genesis 3:24), the angel through whom God published the Decalogue to his chosen people, the angel who stood in the way against Balaam (Numbers 22:22 sqq.), the angel who routed the army of Sennacherib (2 Kings 19:35).

Following these Scriptural passages, Christian tradition gives to St. Michael four offices:

To fight against Satan.
To rescue the souls of the faithful from the power of the enemy, especially at the hour of death.
To be the champion of God's people, the Jews in the Old Law, the Christians in the New Testament; therefore he was the patron of the Church, and of the orders of knights during the Middle Ages.
To call away from earth and bring men's souls to judgment ("signifer S. Michael repraesentet eas in lucam sanctam", Offert. Miss Defunct. "Constituit eum principem super animas suscipiendas", Antiph. off. Cf. The Shepherd of Hermas, Book III, Similitude 8, Chapter 3).
Regarding his rank in the celestial hierarchy opinions vary; St. Basil (Hom. de angelis) and other Greek Fathers, also Salmeron, Bellarmine, etc., place St. Michael over all the angels; they say he is called "archangel" because he is the prince of the other angels; others (cf. P. Bonaventura, op. cit.) believe that he is the prince of the seraphim, the first of the nine angelic orders. But, according to St. Thomas (Summa Ia.113.3) he is the prince of the last and lowest choir, the angels. The Roman Liturgy seems to follow the Greek Fathers; it calls him "Princeps militiae coelestis quem honorificant angelorum cives". The hymn of the Mozarabic Breviary places St. Michael even above the Twenty-four Elders. The Greek Liturgy styles him Archistrategos, "highest general" (cf. Menaea, 8 Nov. and 6 Sept.).
https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10275b.htm
 

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If I understand you right.

Jesus is Michael
Jesus is God
Therefore Michael is fully God and fully Man.

I know you mean
Therefore Michael is fully God

Historical Christians do not beileve that the Son of God is Michael.
And, I am sure you know that.
I'm just informing what the SDA believe about Michael. They believe Michael and Jesus are one and the same. That said, SDA are trinitarians.

RR
 

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