Do we decide to be saved?
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The all is in respect to as many as the father gave the Son they alone can come, as the father enables them to.
The key is "as a many as". Not one more or one less. Not the all in respect the whole world
The key is "as a many as". Not one more or one less. Not the all in respect the whole world
Matthew 14:36
And besought him that they might only touch the hem of his garment: and as many as touched were made perfectly whole.John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
As he spake these words, many believed on him.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
And besought him that they might only touch the hem of his garment: and as many as touched were made perfectly whole.John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
John 8:30As he spake these words, many believed on him.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
John 17:2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Acts 2:39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Strike one! He desires those he set out to save to be saved, and none other. So, that's not speaking of all people at all times. Your tradition has caused your bias, misinterpretation and error.
Strike two! Look at the context. Who came to see Jesus? His word is to them and those of every other tribe and nation he would draw, not each and every person who has ever lived.
So now you're a Universalist. Here's what you're saying, and it's a huge mistake, and this is going off the gist and context of each above: you're stating that every single person will call upon the LORD and be saved, this is conveyed by your saying "that's everyone." Well, guess what, it's not everyone.
"And you're out!"
You really, really need to leave your rudimentary verse-ology pretext understanding and graduate to context and a clear understanding of what is really being said. If that offends you then you're just too prideful and are unwilling to employ proper context. You may lose a few fans if you do so.
What is the context of the "us/you" here; 2 Peter 3:9? Are you ready to humble yourself and use it, or not?
Hint: look at the audience that Peter refers to from chapter 1 and throughout this epistle. There is no way around it, he is always referencing the elect in this, and none other and he is still addressing them in 3:9. You really need to start employing proper context. 2 Timothy 2:15. Please.
That, and you're conflating a couple of texts together.
Strike two! Look at the context. Who came to see Jesus? His word is to them and those of every other tribe and nation he would draw, not each and every person who has ever lived.
So now you're a Universalist. Here's what you're saying, and it's a huge mistake, and this is going off the gist and context of each above: you're stating that every single person will call upon the LORD and be saved, this is conveyed by your saying "that's everyone." Well, guess what, it's not everyone.
"And you're out!"
You really, really need to leave your rudimentary verse-ology pretext understanding and graduate to context and a clear understanding of what is really being said. If that offends you then you're just too prideful and are unwilling to employ proper context. You may lose a few fans if you do so.
What is the context of the "us/you" here; 2 Peter 3:9? Are you ready to humble yourself and use it, or not?
Hint: look at the audience that Peter refers to from chapter 1 and throughout this epistle. There is no way around it, he is always referencing the elect in this, and none other and he is still addressing them in 3:9. You really need to start employing proper context. 2 Timothy 2:15. Please.
That, and you're conflating a couple of texts together.
Strike one! He desires those he set out to save to be saved, and none other. So, that's not speaking of all people at all times. Your tradition has caused your bias, misinterpretation and error.
Strike two! Look at the context. Who came to see Jesus? His word is to them and those of every other tribe and nation he would draw, not each and every person who has ever lived.
So now you're a Universalist. Here's what you're saying, and it's a huge mistake, and this is going off the gist and context of each above: you're stating that every single person will call upon the LORD and be saved, this is conveyed by your saying "that's everyone." Well, guess what, it's not everyone.
"And you're out!"
You really, really need to leave your rudimentary verse-ology pretext understanding and graduate to context and a clear understanding of what is really being said. If that offends you then you're just too prideful and are unwilling to employ proper context. You may lose a few fans if you do so.
What is the context of the "us/you" here; 2 Peter 3:9? Are you ready to humble yourself and use it, or not?
Hint: look at the audience that Peter refers to from chapter 1 and throughout this epistle. There is no way around it, he is always referencing the elect in this, and none other and he is still addressing them in 3:9. You really need to start employing proper context. 2 Timothy 2:15. Please.
That, and you're conflating a couple of texts together.
Strike two! Look at the context. Who came to see Jesus? His word is to them and those of every other tribe and nation he would draw, not each and every person who has ever lived.
So now you're a Universalist. Here's what you're saying, and it's a huge mistake, and this is going off the gist and context of each above: you're stating that every single person will call upon the LORD and be saved, this is conveyed by your saying "that's everyone." Well, guess what, it's not everyone.
"And you're out!"
You really, really need to leave your rudimentary verse-ology pretext understanding and graduate to context and a clear understanding of what is really being said. If that offends you then you're just too prideful and are unwilling to employ proper context. You may lose a few fans if you do so.
What is the context of the "us/you" here; 2 Peter 3:9? Are you ready to humble yourself and use it, or not?
Hint: look at the audience that Peter refers to from chapter 1 and throughout this epistle. There is no way around it, he is always referencing the elect in this, and none other and he is still addressing them in 3:9. You really need to start employing proper context. 2 Timothy 2:15. Please.
That, and you're conflating a couple of texts together.
Hint: It's you who has a doctrinal bias. Not me. But you're unwilling to see it. Argue with simple Scriptures all you want. God desires ALL to be saved. I don't care how hard you try to refute it. It's crystal clear. Take your incorrect doctrine elsewhere.
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If God saved “all” then who is God referring to when he used the phrase “saved us” as in 2Tim 1:9 and Titus 3:5.
Then you have Jn. 3:16 which many do not want to look at the rest in which God uses the word perish or perhaps Dan. 12:2 where we have the word everlasting contempt and yet he uses the word some. Then you also have 1Cor. 15:22 who is the all in that verse.
Then you have Jn. 3:16 which many do not want to look at the rest in which God uses the word perish or perhaps Dan. 12:2 where we have the word everlasting contempt and yet he uses the word some. Then you also have 1Cor. 15:22 who is the all in that verse.
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romans 1 gives us a few
- His creation
- The law written in our hearts (even the gentiles who do not have the law.) as romans 1 says, even they know that whoever does wring is worthy of condemnation, They now the truth, they hide it in themseves because they loved sin more. SO God allowed them to follow their own hearts and gave them up to a debased mind
God himself (Holy Spirit conviction and teaching.
The amazing thing about God that men can not understand or fathom. Is he knows what it will take for people to respond (And who will respond and who will n ot no matter what he does) and we cna rest assured he will do whatever it takes if he knows there is a way.
- His creation
- The law written in our hearts (even the gentiles who do not have the law.) as romans 1 says, even they know that whoever does wring is worthy of condemnation, They now the truth, they hide it in themseves because they loved sin more. SO God allowed them to follow their own hearts and gave them up to a debased mind
God himself (Holy Spirit conviction and teaching.
The amazing thing about God that men can not understand or fathom. Is he knows what it will take for people to respond (And who will respond and who will n ot no matter what he does) and we cna rest assured he will do whatever it takes if he knows there is a way.
Universalism teaches that everyone will be ultimately saved, whether or not they obeyed the Gospel. I trust you do not believe such nonsense.
Yes God definitely desires the salvation of every human being but unless sinners (1) repent and are converted and (2) believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and His finished work of redemption, they will NOT be saved.
Yes God definitely desires the salvation of every human being but unless sinners (1) repent and are converted and (2) believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and His finished work of redemption, they will NOT be saved.