Do we live in an age of the miraculous?
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Your posts are high on snark and low on reason sometimes. Why would you assume an audience of people he was trying to convince that God still healed and did miracles would necessarily have 'healers' in it?
Again, if you had more respect for the Bible and most importantly for God, you might not approach this topic with such a snarky attitude and the idea that all modern healings and miracles are fake.
Again, if you had more respect for the Bible and most importantly for God, you might not approach this topic with such a snarky attitude and the idea that all modern healings and miracles are fake.
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IOW.imagine a God with no miracles. A powerless God.
Imagine,because if you ever met him personally.you would see him in his power.
He is the same. He is all powerful. He does many miracles. In fact,at Johns crises of faith ,it was Jesus that AUTHENTICATED himself by his miracles.
Watch the following vid,and if you are not stirred,you better reinvent your christian walk,because something is drastically wrong.
(ff to 1;27;00)
[video=youtube;yewI76gVFrs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yewI76gVFrs&t=5108s[/video]
Imagine,because if you ever met him personally.you would see him in his power.
He is the same. He is all powerful. He does many miracles. In fact,at Johns crises of faith ,it was Jesus that AUTHENTICATED himself by his miracles.
Watch the following vid,and if you are not stirred,you better reinvent your christian walk,because something is drastically wrong.
(ff to 1;27;00)
[video=youtube;yewI76gVFrs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yewI76gVFrs&t=5108s[/video]
Yes, miracles are here today***Dr. Michael Brown explains why...
[h=3]THE MASTER'S SEMINARY PROFESSOR AND ... - Ask Dr. Brown[/h]
[h=3]THE MASTER'S SEMINARY PROFESSOR AND ... - Ask Dr. Brown[/h]
Presidente, did you watch the video? No you did not. If you had you would have known that Dr. Keener was suffering from a bad cold while lecturing and asked if there were any healers in the audience. Some raised there hands but no one offered to heal his cold. I at least watched the video and the other two videos.
The entire lectureship was sponsored by the Asbury Theological Seminary and most of the people in the audience raised there hands when asked if they spoke in tongues. He was speaking to a group of people who wanted his ideas to be true. Again you would have known that if you had watched the video as Dino requested. Are you not the poster who spoke about his 1200 page book on evidence of the modern day miraculous?
Again, grow a backbone and admit your emperor is naked.
The entire lectureship was sponsored by the Asbury Theological Seminary and most of the people in the audience raised there hands when asked if they spoke in tongues. He was speaking to a group of people who wanted his ideas to be true. Again you would have known that if you had watched the video as Dino requested. Are you not the poster who spoke about his 1200 page book on evidence of the modern day miraculous?
Again, grow a backbone and admit your emperor is naked.
Jesus did not perform any miracles inside the temple. The apostles did not perform any miracles inside the temple. If you want to see miracles look outside the temple. Recently we have seen earthquakes or plane crashes where there were survivors that must be considered miraculous.
Should we expect to see miracles in the church? I would contend that the revelation of God is revealed through His word to the church and through nature to those outside the church.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Should we expect to see miracles in the church? I would contend that the revelation of God is revealed through His word to the church and through nature to those outside the church.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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oh for sure we live in an age of the miraculous
just like all the preceding centuries
28 [FONT="]for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ Acts 17:28
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[FONT="]who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, Hebrews 1:3
[/FONT]every day is a miracle as all of creation groans and waits
God is not willing that any should perish
the Spirit of God holds back the devil from totally destroying what God has created
understand that. living on borrowed time but only God knows the day
[FONT="]who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,[/FONT]
just like all the preceding centuries
28 [FONT="]for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ Acts 17:28
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[FONT="]who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, Hebrews 1:3
[/FONT]every day is a miracle as all of creation groans and waits
God is not willing that any should perish
the Spirit of God holds back the devil from totally destroying what God has created
understand that. living on borrowed time but only God knows the day
[FONT="]who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,[/FONT]
How can you say that? You'd have had to follow Him around for the whole time He was doing miracles to say that.
How can you say that? We know Peter performed a miracle in the name of Jesus at the Gate Beautiful. Was that at the inside part of the gate or on the outside part or right on the border? How can you know?
How can you say that? We know Peter performed a miracle in the name of Jesus at the Gate Beautiful. Was that at the inside part of the gate or on the outside part or right on the border? How can you know?
I'm on vacation, and have slow spotty Internet. I should have faster Internet when I return home to the developing country I live in. (Ironic aint it.) So I watched the first part. I didn't notice a cold, but the sound quality is not that good on this laptop.
But, again, your reasoning doesn't hold water. I Corinthians 12 tells us that to one is given gifts of healing... to another diverse tongues.
So if you really knew your Bible, you would know that if someone spoke in tongues, that wouldn't mean he could heal. And you are assuming gifts are completely under human control.
I think the issues here are:
1. Your ignorance of the details of the Bible as it relates to this issue.
2. Your rejecting the teaching of scripture on this issue.
3. Your proud, 'scoffer' attitude.
If those things weren't there, maybe we could have a discussion.
But, again, your reasoning doesn't hold water. I Corinthians 12 tells us that to one is given gifts of healing... to another diverse tongues.
So if you really knew your Bible, you would know that if someone spoke in tongues, that wouldn't mean he could heal. And you are assuming gifts are completely under human control.
I think the issues here are:
1. Your ignorance of the details of the Bible as it relates to this issue.
2. Your rejecting the teaching of scripture on this issue.
3. Your proud, 'scoffer' attitude.
If those things weren't there, maybe we could have a discussion.
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Mark 3King James Version (KJV)
3 And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand.
2 And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.
3 And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth.
4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
3 And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand.
2 And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.
3 And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth.
4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
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Although I have seen a good bit of miracles,and I pursue the anointing of God as did elisha,and am sold out to my King,I still do not see myself as a "healer".
I see myself as an ambassador. The anointing is an equipping for a task. I have never prayed for a dead person to be raised from the dead. I have seen many people /animals healed miraculously. One in particular was a little dog of mine back in the late seventies. She had just been run over by a car.I heard it hit. When I prayed for her I could feel and hear bones popping. Instant miracle.
My mom was sick unto death from her gall bladder. Doctors could not figure out what was wrong. I prayed,and when I did I stumbled onto what I call the "irrevocable prayer". She recovered.
I had a hernia. Could not lift weights. Asked God to heal me one day at a worship service. Instant healing.
For me personally,it is rediculous to just assume God got all powerless in these last days.
We got backslidden. Big time.
Right now,at my feet is my prize hen. She has survived 3 dog attacks. Now she was attacked by my rhode island red hen. She was a bloody mess and could not see because her eyelids were tore up. I got one eye opened and there was an eyeball in there. She can now see.(one eye)
I have had her about ten years. She is one special bird. My hens roost in the trees behind my house at night. Matilda,my prize hen, has always come home at night. Only God could do that. How does she still have eyeballs? I rescued her while the other hen was on her back killing her. This is about day 5,and soon she will be let loose to hunt and scratch again. Please pray for her. her right eyelid has healed shut. I got it opened a little but it is painful for her when I mess with it.
Ironic,that her own daughter nearly blinded her,but survived pit bulls,coyotes,chicken hawks,and even my neighbor that killed one of my chickens with a golf club.
I see myself as an ambassador. The anointing is an equipping for a task. I have never prayed for a dead person to be raised from the dead. I have seen many people /animals healed miraculously. One in particular was a little dog of mine back in the late seventies. She had just been run over by a car.I heard it hit. When I prayed for her I could feel and hear bones popping. Instant miracle.
My mom was sick unto death from her gall bladder. Doctors could not figure out what was wrong. I prayed,and when I did I stumbled onto what I call the "irrevocable prayer". She recovered.
I had a hernia. Could not lift weights. Asked God to heal me one day at a worship service. Instant healing.
For me personally,it is rediculous to just assume God got all powerless in these last days.
We got backslidden. Big time.
Right now,at my feet is my prize hen. She has survived 3 dog attacks. Now she was attacked by my rhode island red hen. She was a bloody mess and could not see because her eyelids were tore up. I got one eye opened and there was an eyeball in there. She can now see.(one eye)
I have had her about ten years. She is one special bird. My hens roost in the trees behind my house at night. Matilda,my prize hen, has always come home at night. Only God could do that. How does she still have eyeballs? I rescued her while the other hen was on her back killing her. This is about day 5,and soon she will be let loose to hunt and scratch again. Please pray for her. her right eyelid has healed shut. I got it opened a little but it is painful for her when I mess with it.
Ironic,that her own daughter nearly blinded her,but survived pit bulls,coyotes,chicken hawks,and even my neighbor that killed one of my chickens with a golf club.
H
Operate in the miraculous. Dare to act like the word is true. Hook up with Jesus. Be his hands,his mouth,his feet. We have an amazing opportunity to be his extended power in this hurting world.
Forget what men tell you. They have sat down. To them Jesus is abstract. Let him work through you. He loves to work through us.
Remember,when you pray and apparently see no change,move to a different mode. Keep knocking. Stay with it. Hold your ground.
Mat 18:18.
I saw God move on mat 18:18. Very powerful. Saw an INCURABLE disease blown away by that word.
Forget what men tell you. They have sat down. To them Jesus is abstract. Let him work through you. He loves to work through us.
Remember,when you pray and apparently see no change,move to a different mode. Keep knocking. Stay with it. Hold your ground.
Mat 18:18.
I saw God move on mat 18:18. Very powerful. Saw an INCURABLE disease blown away by that word.
H
Btw, when I invoked Mat 18:18 it took almost 2 months before the awsome sudden powerful miracle hit one night at 1:40 am.
It works. But who would pray that about a million times over a 2 month period. I gave up about 6 or 7 times. I looked up to heaven and said "dear God where is the help". Not 5 seconds later my missionary friend calls me "David is it ok for mwe to come over?" Woah,that was awesome. He prayed and his wife prayed ,but we didn't see much change. Then he told me a story.
That was why God sent him. To strengthen me. You see,I had already heard from heaven. 3 Words over and over. "Stay with it David". When Fred told me the story,he said he had told his daughter "hold your ground mona".
Well it hit me with renewed strength,and I knew to keep going . I really was starting to question heavens being shut against me.
Somewhere deep inside me I knew His word had to be true. (mat 18:18)
Thank you Jesus,you still do miracles,and we just need more faith.
It works. But who would pray that about a million times over a 2 month period. I gave up about 6 or 7 times. I looked up to heaven and said "dear God where is the help". Not 5 seconds later my missionary friend calls me "David is it ok for mwe to come over?" Woah,that was awesome. He prayed and his wife prayed ,but we didn't see much change. Then he told me a story.
That was why God sent him. To strengthen me. You see,I had already heard from heaven. 3 Words over and over. "Stay with it David". When Fred told me the story,he said he had told his daughter "hold your ground mona".
Well it hit me with renewed strength,and I knew to keep going . I really was starting to question heavens being shut against me.
Somewhere deep inside me I knew His word had to be true. (mat 18:18)
Thank you Jesus,you still do miracles,and we just need more faith.
Dr. Keener clearly states that he has a bad cold. He clearly asks for a show of hands from the audience on how many of them have the gift of healing. He clearly states that there are healers in the audience. No one even offers to try to heal him. What more can I say but watch the video that your ilk presents.
1st Corinthians 12 most certainly documents the existence of the gifts during Paul's time, but there is no mention of these gifts being passed on from generation to generation. If you can show a verse that states it will please let us know. If not I suggest to accept that your emperor is naked.
Did you even read the OP? It states clearly that I believe the miraculous exist, just not presently. Does this make me a non-Christian?
1st Corinthians 12 most certainly documents the existence of the gifts during Paul's time, but there is no mention of these gifts being passed on from generation to generation. If you can show a verse that states it will please let us know. If not I suggest to accept that your emperor is naked.
Did you even read the OP? It states clearly that I believe the miraculous exist, just not presently. Does this make me a non-Christian?
[QUOTE=DJ2;3164440]We do not live in an age of the miraculous. ... An honest and open-minded exam of the "proof" of our living in such an age will show that we are not. All the ... back/headache healings will not change this fact.
... Have these acts ended, of course. Not because the Bible tells us but because the same senses that looked upon the first miracles with awe now tell us those same events have ended. ... Those who insist that the miraculous is upon us do a great disservice to Jesus's call for faith apart from sight. [/QUOTE]
Since you keep referencing your OP, I have quoted it here to address it. You state that healing of headaches and backaches is not miraculous. That is oxymoronic.
You state that we know these acts have ended because our senses tell us so. Perhaps your senses tell you so, and you're welcome to your position. However, your senses don't convince me. I have seen firsthand and know people who have experienced miraculous healing. All of your rather poor reasoning will not convince me that these events were not miraculous. Your appeal to a narrow definition (which was not given in the OP) is nothing more than semantic manipulation.
I make no claim of a verse stating that these miracles continue. I challenge you to come up with one stating that they don't. Don't waste time with 1 Corinthians 13, because God changes the wording to "perfection, which means completed scripture", it doesn't support your view. Don't make doctrine from silence.
None of your unbelief, sarcasm or snark makes you a non-Christian. It just makes you a snarky, sarcastic skeptical Christian.
I have a basic question for you: What is your agenda? What do you gain by converting people to your position? What are you really trying to accomplish?
... Have these acts ended, of course. Not because the Bible tells us but because the same senses that looked upon the first miracles with awe now tell us those same events have ended. ... Those who insist that the miraculous is upon us do a great disservice to Jesus's call for faith apart from sight. [/QUOTE]
Since you keep referencing your OP, I have quoted it here to address it. You state that healing of headaches and backaches is not miraculous. That is oxymoronic.
You state that we know these acts have ended because our senses tell us so. Perhaps your senses tell you so, and you're welcome to your position. However, your senses don't convince me. I have seen firsthand and know people who have experienced miraculous healing. All of your rather poor reasoning will not convince me that these events were not miraculous. Your appeal to a narrow definition (which was not given in the OP) is nothing more than semantic manipulation.
I make no claim of a verse stating that these miracles continue. I challenge you to come up with one stating that they don't. Don't waste time with 1 Corinthians 13, because God changes the wording to "perfection, which means completed scripture", it doesn't support your view. Don't make doctrine from silence.
None of your unbelief, sarcasm or snark makes you a non-Christian. It just makes you a snarky, sarcastic skeptical Christian.
I have a basic question for you: What is your agenda? What do you gain by converting people to your position? What are you really trying to accomplish?