Do we need to repent more than once to stay saved?

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Should a person continue to ask for forgiveness after salvation.


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justbyfaith

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yes, you have said that you believe that, but why are you striving when Christ has you covered?

you are not saved by works and your salvation through Christ is not improved by your works

walking in the Spirit is something we are told to do, but teaching that seems to be lacking in many places, but you cannot improve on the work of the Holy Spirit in your life.

your personal goal is not biblical and you cannot show that from scripture because it is simply not there...as many in this thread are currently trying to show you, while you stubbornly continue on with your premise
See Philemon 1:6.

As for your latter statement, I have shown that entire sanctification is a biblical doctrine.
 

justbyfaith

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sorry to bug you again, but do you know people who are so righteous they do not need a Savior?

they must be living on the moon :unsure:
Of course we still need the Saviour if we have been made perfect.

The only reason that we might be perfect is through abiding in Him (John 15:1-8, 1 John 3:6, 1 John 2:17).
 

justbyfaith

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repentance is not wanting to be perfect. not even close. it is desiring to turn from sin and turn towards Christ who ALONE is perfect
What might be the result if someone genuinely turns away from sin?
 

justbyfaith

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1Th 5:23, And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th 5:24, Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

Heb 10:14, For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

1Jo 3:9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
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1Jo 3:6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1Jo 2:17, And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
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1Jo 3:7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1Jo 3:3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
even as he is pure.

1Jo 2:6, He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

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Jde 1:24, Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

2Pe 1:10, Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

1Jo 2:10, He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
 
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are you an advocate for sinless perfection? if so, where does the Bible teach this?

to be clear, I do not believe the Bible teaches this, let alone that a person born on this earth can reach sinlessness

where do we read that those men were sinless? I think you are extrapolating here. you just said ALL Christians are a work in progress...is it all then, or most?
perfect but not sinless gen 6:9 Noah a just man perfect in his generation Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of uz whose name job and that man was perfect.Was it Philip that was the man without guile?
Jhn 1:47
Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!
 

justbyfaith

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Changing the mind does change behavior, but only in superficial ways. For example, one can come into complete agreement with God about sin and then still having a longing desire to sin even if they aren't acting the sin out.

Paul himself admitted to being a habitual sinner despite being what many would call a Super Christian:

Romans 7:15
15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

Did Paul repent despite not changing his behavior?
Romans 7:14-25 is Paul using the literary tactic of IDENTIFICATION to define carnality in order that he might win the carnal person (see 1 Corinthians 9:22).

If he were actually carnal when he wrote it, then he would not have been writing holy scripture, for it is written,

2Pe 1:20, Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21, For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
 

justbyfaith

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he does promise to cast are sins into the sea of forgetfulness.
The Father definitely forgets our sins...

However it is the Holy Spirit's job to convict us of sin and to sanctify us.

And He does this by pinpointing our sins so that we can confess them (1 John 1:7,9).
 

justbyfaith

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1Th 5:23, And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th 5:24, Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

Heb 10:14, For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

1Jo 3:9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
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1Jo 3:6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1Jo 2:17, And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
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1Jo 3:7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1Jo 3:3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
even as he is pure.

1Jo 2:6, He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

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Jde 1:24, Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

2Pe 1:10, Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

1Jo 2:10, He that loveth his brother abideth in the light,
and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
 

Blik

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Right away when we got saved something changed.

The lust and impulses that ruled our lives were cast down.

That is how i see it. No longer are we slaves to sin.

It does not rule us.

So there is a before and after.

As we walk with God things try to "tag" us. Old habits try to push their way in.

We have power over those things.

If the target is magnified as sinless perfection, i can lose sight of my true desire.....living in his presence and being intimate with him

See, if i am in my true desire and stay there, holiness is a by product....not a "striving to"
It would be wonderful if every person who has experienced salvation at one time never sinned ever again or though of the world's ways as attractive. Except that is not the reality.
 
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Romans 7:14-25 is Paul using the literary tactic of IDENTIFICATION to define carnality in order that he might win the carnal person (see 1 Corinthians 9:22).

If he were actually carnal when he wrote it, then he would not have been writing holy scripture, for it is written,

2Pe 1:20, Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21, For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
I don't think so. Paul stated post-conversion, using present tense language, that he is the chief sinner.

1 Timothy 1:15
15This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

I believe that this belief that Paul was a sinless person comes from not understanding what repentance is.

Paul taught to others what also applies to himself, being a human like every other person, because repentance is a change of mind, not a change of the flesh:

Romans 7:25
25Thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with my mind I serve the law of God, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
 

justbyfaith

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And of course I am not saying that Paul was sinless.

He may have been perfect (Hebrews 10:14 (kjv)).

Romans 7:25 being in context of Paul's definition of a carnal person as he sets himself forth as an example of carnality in order to define carnality, identifying himself with those who are carnal in order to define the experience.

While he himself was not carnal but spiritual (see 1 Corinthians 3:1-3).

Please note, also, that Romans 7:14-25 defines what is the law of sin and death; while Romans 8:2 tells us that Paul as well as the sanctified believer are set free from the law of sin and death.
 

justbyfaith

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It would be wonderful if every person who has experienced salvation at one time never sinned ever again or though of the world's ways as attractive. Except that is not the reality.
Many are justified and do not immediately have perfect victory over sinful behaviours.

For many who receive it, entire sanctification (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv)) comes as a "second benefit" (2 Corinthians 1:15).
 

justbyfaith

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I don't think so. Paul stated post-conversion, using present tense language, that he is the chief sinner.

1 Timothy 1:15
15This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

I believe that this belief that Paul was a sinless person comes from not understanding what repentance is.

Paul taught to others what also applies to himself, being a human like every other person, because repentance is a change of mind, not a change of the flesh:

Romans 7:25
25Thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with my mind I serve the law of God, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
Also, 1 Timothy 1:15 is qualified by the verses previous to it. Paul was formerly a persecutor, a blasphemer, and injurious; and applied his former behaviour to who he was (in the flesh) at that present moment.

Just as people in AA who have been clean and sober for fifty years introduce themselves as being an alcoholic in the present tense.
 

Roughsoul1991

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See Hebrews 4:13.

God the Holy Ghost is not blind to the sins of His people.
Let us remember the Godhead, three in one. God the Father does not remember our sins. He sees us through God the Son who is the mediator. We can greive the Holy Spirit who lives in us but that is within the relationship of grace, forgiveness, and a motivator who encourages us to keep pushing forward in sanctification.

Hebrews 8:12
English Standard Version


12 For I will be merciful toward their iniquities,
and I will remember their sins no more.”


Hebrews 10:14-18
English Standard Version


14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
15 And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying,
16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws on their hearts,
and write them on their minds,”
17 then he adds,
“I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”
18 Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.
 

justbyfaith

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Let us remember the Godhead, three in one. God the Father does not remember our sins. He sees us through God the Son who is the mediator. We can greive the Holy Spirit who lives in us but that is within the relationship of grace, forgiveness, and a motivator who encourages us to keep pushing forward in sanctification.

Hebrews 8:12
English Standard Version


12 For I will be merciful toward their iniquities,
and I will remember their sins no more.”


Hebrews 10:14-18
English Standard Version


14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
15 And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying,
16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws on their hearts,
and write them on their minds,”
17 then he adds,
“I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”
18 Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.
See post #190 (https://christianchat.com/threads/d...e-than-once-to-stay-saved.201884/post-4676897).
 
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Also, 1 Timothy 1:15 is qualified by the verses previous to it. Paul was formerly a persecutor, a blasphemer, and injurious; and applied his former behaviour to who he was (in the flesh) at that present moment.

Just as people in AA who have been clean and sober for fifty years introduce themselves as being an alcoholic in the present tense.
We can forgive what Paul did in the past, but how about this point below?

Paul taught to others what also applies to himself, being a human like every other person, because repentance is a change of mind, not a change of the flesh:

Romans 7:25
25Thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with my mind I serve the law of God, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
 

justbyfaith

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Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are distinct from one another as members of the Trinity.

(cont'd from #198)