Do we need to repent more than once to stay saved?

[Runningman]

are you saying that changing the mind does not lead to changed behavior? please clarify

Changing the mind does change behavior, but only in superficial ways. For example, one can come into complete agreement with God about sin and then still having a longing desire to sin even if they aren't acting the sin out.

Paul himself admitted to being a habitual sinner despite being what many would call a Super Christian:

Romans 7:15
15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

Did Paul repent despite not changing his behavior?

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Correct....they were made righteous (Romans 5:19).

Is righteousness not a practical thing in your opinion (see 1 John 3:7)?

Made righteous in the eyes of God. Which is greatly practical to know when we are in Christ, the debt of sin has been paid.

Not for a free ticket to sin but to be released from the shackles of guilt, shame, and remorse as we now have God living in us, working in us towards sanctification.

Just because one may occasionally fall or act rebellious in sin does not separate the one who guards their heart and fights to keep coming back to the only place we are forgiven.

Legalism could not save the OT Jew just like legalism can not save the NT Christian.

To be perfect would mean we never have unintentional or intentional sin. The sins of mankind are exhaustively listed in scripture. It is a mountain so high, no one alive or dead has reached it other than Jesus Christ which is the point of why we needed Jesus as our Savior. This means you can not think unrighteous anger, unjustified lustful thoughts, judge hypocritically, be unloving towards your enemies, do not fear anything as that is commanded 365 times. The point is, you will wrestle sin until you die. The key word is wrestle. Do you submit yourself everyday to the Holy Spirit or die/crucify the flesh on a daily basis as we are to take up our crosses daily?

This submission is the daily sometimes hourly choice. People with discipline can become real good at submitting to the will of Christ but never perfect as long as they are breathing.

This relationship has nothing to do with the beginning gift of salvation, grace, and forgiveness. Those are complete.

Everything after is how close relationally will you be to God.

Will you be the building made of straw or hay or gold and silver? Each will see salvation but the gold and silver will have more gifts in heaven. The one made of straw will barely get in but due to God's grace they will be saved.

It is the difference between a Paul who we know did much for the Kingdom versus maybe Cornelius who as far as we know was saved and nothing else was recorded. He could of lived a casual saved life as many in religious freedom countries do. Missing the potential Paulish impact he could have had.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

No, not eradicated. We continue to have indwelling sin as believers.

However, the element of sin can be rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it doesn't any longer have any authority over what we do (Romans 6:14).

Not gone...put in remission like a cancer is put in remission.

So that it is no longer a threat.

Agree accept I will say it is within free will. You still have a choice. And you still will be attacked by indwelling sin.

 

[SophieT]

Changing the mind does change behavior, but only in superficial ways. For example, one can come into complete agreement with God about sin and then still having a longing desire to sin even if they aren't acting the sin out.

Paul himself admitted to being a habitual sinner despite being what many would call a Super Christian:

Romans 7:15
15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

Did Paul repent despite not changing his behavior?

we disagree

Paul did not admit to being a habitual sinner...and yes I know exactly what verse you have in mind

you have not found an escape clause for your sin. not sorry

personally, I have had my behavior changed quite a bit in my lifetime. perhaps you are doing it wrong

 

[Runningman]

we disagree

Paul did not admit to being a habitual sinner...and yes I know exactly what verse you have in mind

you have not found an escape clause for your sin. not sorry

personally, I have had my behavior changed quite a bit in my lifetime. perhaps you are doing it wrong

I can keep throwing Sola Scriptura at you until you agree or willfully reject truth. Not sorry. Ball's in your court.

Romans 7:13-25
13Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

 

[SophieT]

I can keep throwing Sola Scriptura at you until you agree or willfully reject truth. Not sorry. Ball's in your court.

keep running dude

we are not on the same page

I can talk about sola Jesus and you will agree or willfully reject Him

so I won't put you in that position.

but yes, that was the scripture. you lack understanding

moving on

 

[elights]

The main reason we were created in the image and the likeness of God is to enjoy fellowship with God,it’s actually the fulcrum of Christian life,if you sin against someone,God wants us to put things right with them,how then do we think we can have fellowship with God if when we fault we don’t repent of those sins?? Amos3:3

 

[Absolutely]

well l'll Quote Paul: it is no longer me but the sin that dwells in me.

What is that pointing to?

 

[Blik]

No, not eradicated. We continue to have indwelling sin as believers.

However, the element of sin can be rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it doesn't any longer have any authority over what we do (Romans 6:14).

Not gone...put in remission like a cancer is put in remission.

So that it is no longer a threat.

Sin is no longer a threat only when it is forgiven. The gospels give exactly how that can happen, we are not to argue with God about it but do as God tells us we must do.

If we live without repentance, we live wanting to sin. Repentance means not wanting to sin. If we don't tell the Lord we want to be sinless, God lets us live in the sin we ask Him to let us have.

To live in repentance of sin is something of the moment, not something we did yesterday or will do tomorrow.

 

[rayzor]

What is that pointing to?

That seems like a few hours ago and i forget the context but i think!,,it had to do with being perfect. as we know Jesus tells people to be perfect.,,And ah? someone was like nobody can be perfect. Further they where like no one can ever be perfect.Then i thought of what Paul had said. And If there's a point of time on earth when it's the sin in us, and not us of are self's, then we are being perfect as is possible at that point.

 

[Blik]

That seems like a few hours ago and i forget the context but i think!,,it had to do with being perfect. as we know Jesus tells people to be perfect.,,And ah? someone was like nobody can be perfect. Further they where like no one can ever be perfect.Then i thought of what Paul had said. And If there's a point of time on earth when it's the sin in us, and not us of are self's, then we are being perfect as is possible at that point.

Why would God ask us to be perfect when God knows and we know we can't be? The answer is obvious and the answer is in the word repent.

It is like learning anything, even secular. We use a perfect model to strive for. If you were learning to play golf, you would learn to repent of bad moves. We are learning to be citizens of heaven. We don't use the demons of the world as a model, we use God as a model to strive for.

 

[rayzor]

Why would God ask us to be perfect when God knows and we know we can't be? The answer is obvious and the answer is in the word repent.

It is like learning anything, even secular. We use a perfect model to strive for. If you were learning to play golf, you would learn to repent of bad moves. We are learning to be citizens of heaven. We don't use the demons of the world as a model, we use God as a model to strive for.

rest = noah was called perfect and Job to. Tom & Taw-mean are the words one is plural form.Their faith was counted as rightness

 

[Blik]

rest = noah was called perfect and Job to. Tom & Taw-mean are the words one is plural form.Their faith was counted as rightness

The question is what God sees as our faith. Can we sit in our desks in our schoolroom but live outside that schoolroom with no thought of having faith in what the Lord says, and have our schoolroom answers be considered faith?

If we don't have enough faith in Christ to follow what he says, I don't think the Lord considers that enough faith.

God explained it to us when he told of two sons. One said he would work for him, but didn't do it. The other said he wouldn't work, but he reconsidered and worked. God listened to what they did, not to what they said.
Matthew 21:28-32

 

[Non-Coincidence]

are you an advocate for sinless perfection? if so, where does the Bible teach this?

to be clear, I do not believe the Bible teaches this, let alone that a person born on this earth can reach sinlessness

where do we read that those men were sinless? I think you are extrapolating here. you just said ALL Christians are a work in progress...is it all then, or most?

SophieT, thanks for your question. May God help me to explain : With the Divine Power of God, The Creator of Heavens and Earth - "there is nothing impossible to God" to make a sinless perfection, but with men, it is impossible!.
is it all then, or most? I mean ALL, except Lord Jesus, Enoch, Daniel, Job, and others whom I missed in the Bible (ex: Sinless perfection Angels created by the Divine Power of God)
May God bless you more in the knowledge of Lord Jesus

 

[Absolutely]

That seems like a few hours ago and i forget the context but i think!,,it had to do with being perfect. as we know Jesus tells people to be perfect.,,And ah? someone was like nobody can be perfect. Further they where like no one can ever be perfect.Then i thought of what Paul had said. And If there's a point of time on earth when it's the sin in us, and not us of are self's, then we are being perfect as is possible at that point.

Ok

I see what you mean

 

[Absolutely]

That seems like a few hours ago and i forget the context but i think!,,it had to do with being perfect. as we know Jesus tells people to be perfect.,,And ah? someone was like nobody can be perfect. Further they where like no one can ever be perfect.Then i thought of what Paul had said. And If there's a point of time on earth when it's the sin in us, and not us of are self's, then we are being perfect as is possible at that point.

Ok

I see what you mean

 

[Absolutely]

Double post....weird

 

[Absolutely]

Why would God ask us to be perfect when God knows and we know we can't be? The answer is obvious and the answer is in the word repent.

It is like learning anything, even secular. We use a perfect model to strive for. If you were learning to play golf, you would learn to repent of bad moves. We are learning to be citizens of heaven. We don't use the demons of the world as a model, we use God as a model to strive for.

Right away when we got saved something changed.

The lust and impulses that ruled our lives were cast down.

That is how i see it. No longer are we slaves to sin.

It does not rule us.

So there is a before and after.

As we walk with God things try to "tag" us. Old habits try to push their way in.

We have power over those things.

If the target is magnified as sinless perfection, i can lose sight of my true desire.....living in his presence and being intimate with him

See, if i am in my true desire and stay there, holiness is a by product....not a "striving to"

 

[justbyfaith]

Jesus did. He never sinned which is why He was able to be the perfect sacrifice...the sinless Lamb of God, who died for our sins

Jesus alone was sinless while on this earth. He is our High Priest ... the final priest ...and He offered Himself up

11Now if perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on this basis the people received the law), why was there still need for another priest to appear—one in the order of Melchizedek and not in the order of Aaron? 12For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed as well.

13He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, from which no one has ever served at the altar. 14For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, a tribe as to which Moses said nothing about priests.

15And this point is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, 16one who has become a priest not by a law of succession, but by the power of an indestructible life. 17For it is testified:

“You are a priest forever

in the order of Melchizedek.”

18So the former commandment is set aside because it was weak and useless 19(for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

20And none of this happened without an oath. For others became priests without an oath, 21but Jesus became a priest with an oath by the One who said to Him:

“The Lord has sworn and will not change His mind:

‘You are a priest forever.’ ”

22Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.
Hebrews 7

Of course we have all sinned (1 John 1:10, Romans 3:23); but you didn't answer my question: do you believe that it is possible for someone who is a believer in Christ to walk consistently according to the Spirit?

 

[justbyfaith]

are you an advocate for sinless perfection? if so, where does the Bible teach this?

The correct terminology is "entire sanctification".

And yes, the Bible teaches this. if you had been paying attention to my posts, you would have seen some of the verses.