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Once again I'll direct you to my post about the actual cost of the vestments. Most suits your average Protestant pastor will wear cost more than a priests vestments, and they're only used for one pastor. The only reason vestments seem fancy to you is because they're dedicated religious clothing, and not something that is worn on any other occasion, unlike a suit.
If everyone started wearing vestments you wouldn't think they were fancy, just normal, but them not being normal is kinda the whole point.
If everyone started wearing vestments you wouldn't think they were fancy, just normal, but them not being normal is kinda the whole point.
The prosperity doctrine would be wrong,if it is in the meaning of money and material goods,that would exceed greatly beyond our physical needs.
The Bible says having food and clothing,let us be content,for God loves people and is not going to bless His people with a lot of money and material goods,when people need help with their needs.
Jesus said sell all you have and give to the poor,and then you will be perfect.
The rich who come to God are to distribute their money to the poor.
The early Church sold all the had and distributed to those who had need.
God said if any person has this world's goods and says I love you,but does not help someone with their physical needs,then the love of the Father is not in them,so God is not blessing someone with money and material things,for they have to help the poor.
God may bless someone with a lot of money,but it would to help the poor,so it would not be their money
anyway.
The Bible says having food and clothing,let us be content,for God loves people and is not going to bless His people with a lot of money and material goods,when people need help with their needs.
Jesus said sell all you have and give to the poor,and then you will be perfect.
The rich who come to God are to distribute their money to the poor.
The early Church sold all the had and distributed to those who had need.
God said if any person has this world's goods and says I love you,but does not help someone with their physical needs,then the love of the Father is not in them,so God is not blessing someone with money and material things,for they have to help the poor.
God may bless someone with a lot of money,but it would to help the poor,so it would not be their money
anyway.
Do they sometimes jockey for position by meeting in small groups behind closed doors and organizing certain secretive activities that may not be entirely legal?
Erm yes you can go bankrupt if you have a contract with your banker that says any income you receive has to go towards you paying off your huge interest....regardless of how much of the wordls population you dream are supporting the vaticans financial concerns.
Erm yes you can go bankrupt if you have a contract with your banker that says any income you receive has to go towards you paying off your huge interest....regardless of how much of the wordls population you dream are supporting the vaticans financial concerns.
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This prosperity "Gospel" (false Gospel!) comes from Protestantism, or one of the forms of Protestantism, Pentecostalism/charismatic traditions, and not from Roman Catholicism. But of course the RCC is corrupted by its great earthly power and wealth. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with having wealth; just loving money and worshipping it as an idol, is wrong. We must worship only God, and Him only must we serve.
Not all of Protestantism is corrupted by this false teaching, but some of it (especially in America) is corrupted by "the deceitfulness of riches".
Not all of Protestantism is corrupted by this false teaching, but some of it (especially in America) is corrupted by "the deceitfulness of riches".
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And theres the old stereotype that Catholics are poor. You seem to forget that Catholics make up a quarter of the US population, and thats not because of Hispanic immigration, it's because of immigration in the 1800s and 1900s. As a result most Catholic families are well established here, and the same goes for Europe.
As for how much I would give. I'm on a college budget so how much I could give would be limited, but I would give as much as I could.
As for how much I would give. I'm on a college budget so how much I could give would be limited, but I would give as much as I could.
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The Vatican is in the black and doing fine. With a base of 1.16 billion and a good slice of the rest of the world ready to chip in if need be, even if they gave away everything and borrowed all they could at high interest rates they couldn't afford to pay back and gave that away too they could raise the funds to pay for it anyways.
But strangelove's assertion is a false for another reason. Countries don't have to go bankrupt... and the Vatican state is a country. Countries have the option of defaulting on debt. If a strangelove doom-day financial scenario unfolded for the Vatican they would default and have no more debt nor interest on debt to pay. They would retain all their assets.
The major consequence of this is that bankers wouldn't want to lend them money for awhile. But then if you have 1.16 billion supporters which include some of the wealthiest and most powerful people in the world...
All games aside, today they have the type of historical treasures, real estate, standardized reserves, etc... that don't go away in a global economic meltdown like derivatives, funds, etc... and the RCC is very well positioned to handle up to and including a global economic meltdown respite with catastrophe and world war... worst case scenarios they have already survived in their long history.
Furthermore, the Roman Episcopal polity has shown itself to be amazingly resilient surviving everything the world could throw at it... from sweeping plagues and the fall of empires to massive attacking pagan and Muslim hordes to incredible famine to world wars and global economic meltdowns right through the politics and birth of competing religion systems: this ancient bureaucratic line-and-staff command organizational structure held together fine.
It is ignorant and delusional to assert that the Vatican is going to go bankrupt and/or cease to exist because of what goes on in strangelove's mind. It's all a figment of his active and prolific imagination.
But strangelove's assertion is a false for another reason. Countries don't have to go bankrupt... and the Vatican state is a country. Countries have the option of defaulting on debt. If a strangelove doom-day financial scenario unfolded for the Vatican they would default and have no more debt nor interest on debt to pay. They would retain all their assets.
The major consequence of this is that bankers wouldn't want to lend them money for awhile. But then if you have 1.16 billion supporters which include some of the wealthiest and most powerful people in the world...
All games aside, today they have the type of historical treasures, real estate, standardized reserves, etc... that don't go away in a global economic meltdown like derivatives, funds, etc... and the RCC is very well positioned to handle up to and including a global economic meltdown respite with catastrophe and world war... worst case scenarios they have already survived in their long history.
Furthermore, the Roman Episcopal polity has shown itself to be amazingly resilient surviving everything the world could throw at it... from sweeping plagues and the fall of empires to massive attacking pagan and Muslim hordes to incredible famine to world wars and global economic meltdowns right through the politics and birth of competing religion systems: this ancient bureaucratic line-and-staff command organizational structure held together fine.
It is ignorant and delusional to assert that the Vatican is going to go bankrupt and/or cease to exist because of what goes on in strangelove's mind. It's all a figment of his active and prolific imagination.
All major world currencies are based on a fractional reserve. If one actually knows what that means, little else matters in the long term. If one needs to be informed about the ultimate ramifications of fractional reserve monetary structures, no amount of information and enlightenment will likely matter much.
A global meltdown is beyond what most can begin to fathom. The Fed ain't what everyone thinks it is. Substantially speaking, money doesn't exist.
A global meltdown is beyond what most can begin to fathom. The Fed ain't what everyone thinks it is. Substantially speaking, money doesn't exist.
Great so the RCC is rich beyond our wildest imaginations.
(1 Timothy 6:9) But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
(1 Timothy 6:10) For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
(1 Timothy 6:11) But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
(1 Timothy 6:9) But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
(1 Timothy 6:10) For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
(1 Timothy 6:11) But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
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It's predictable, of course, that learned individuals whom look to credible real-world schlarly resources rather than disparate fantastic conspiracy internet websites for their information would assert a common truth in this matter at least.
You can contact the Vatican and request a public copy of their financial statements for a particular year since 1981. But they are in Italian, of course.
Another fact the strange one doesn't understand is that every diocese of the Roman Catholic Church is incorporated as a single entity. Likewise, parishes are also incorprated as single entities and the deed to the parish property is usually held "in trust" to the diocesan bishop or metropolitan bishop.
This is very important because it provides legal and finanical protection for the Vatican as a whole and all entities of the RCC individually. The RCC is smart enough to legally and financially compartmentalize their operations so failure in one area doesn't have to affect others (though in practice they always help each other out as directed by Rome being a homogeneous religious organization).
Theoretically this compartmentalization benefits the RCC upstream, downstream, and in a parallel manner.
You can contact the Vatican and request a public copy of their financial statements for a particular year since 1981. But they are in Italian, of course.
Another fact the strange one doesn't understand is that every diocese of the Roman Catholic Church is incorporated as a single entity. Likewise, parishes are also incorprated as single entities and the deed to the parish property is usually held "in trust" to the diocesan bishop or metropolitan bishop.
This is very important because it provides legal and finanical protection for the Vatican as a whole and all entities of the RCC individually. The RCC is smart enough to legally and financially compartmentalize their operations so failure in one area doesn't have to affect others (though in practice they always help each other out as directed by Rome being a homogeneous religious organization).
Theoretically this compartmentalization benefits the RCC upstream, downstream, and in a parallel manner.
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They won't be going bankrupt strangelove. I'll let you discuss this separate issue with SantoSubito as I am not a member of the Roman Catholic Church which is obtained through baptism or reception into the Church (for individuals previously baptised in non-Catholic Christian churches that wish to join the RCC).
Of course the vatican would never release fraudulent figures would they?
LOLZ!
Why didnt you answer this:
Do they sometimes jockey for position by meeting in small groups behind closed doors and organizing certain secretive activities that may not be entirely legal?
And how are we doing with the Noahide laws?
LOLZ!
Why didnt you answer this:
Do they sometimes jockey for position by meeting in small groups behind closed doors and organizing certain secretive activities that may not be entirely legal?
And how are we doing with the Noahide laws?
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Fractional-reserve banking simply means a bank does not retain ALL of their customer’s deposits within the bank but actually lends some of the money out at an interest rate to make a profit. The remaining available funds are called bank reserves and the reserve ratio is regulated by the government.
The money doesn't actually go away but circulates in the money supply (in a closed economic system it helps that country's economy but in an open system with a broken trade and immigration paradigm like the U.S. currently finds itself in the money often helps other countries economies instead).
It is imporant to note that banks cannot exist without lending money unless their operations are funded another way and they cannot earn a profit without lending money so almost every bank in the world works off of fractional-reserve banking.
A metaphor to what you are saying might look like this deer transportation is based on a hoof system. If one actually knows what that means, little else matters in the long term. If one needs to be informed about the ultimate ramifications of deer migrations using their hooves, no amount of information and enlightenment will likely matter much.
A global meltdown is beyond what most can begin to fathom. The deer aint' what everyone thinks it is. Substantially speaking, deer doesn't exist.
lololol....
The money doesn't actually go away but circulates in the money supply (in a closed economic system it helps that country's economy but in an open system with a broken trade and immigration paradigm like the U.S. currently finds itself in the money often helps other countries economies instead).
It is imporant to note that banks cannot exist without lending money unless their operations are funded another way and they cannot earn a profit without lending money so almost every bank in the world works off of fractional-reserve banking.
A metaphor to what you are saying might look like this deer transportation is based on a hoof system. If one actually knows what that means, little else matters in the long term. If one needs to be informed about the ultimate ramifications of deer migrations using their hooves, no amount of information and enlightenment will likely matter much.
A global meltdown is beyond what most can begin to fathom. The deer aint' what everyone thinks it is. Substantially speaking, deer doesn't exist.
lololol....