Do You Love The Church? Is The Matthew 16:18 Church Jesus Built Infallible and Necessary For Salvation? Are You a Member?

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Is The Matthew 16:18 Church Jesus Built Infallible and Necessary For Salvation? Are You a Member?

  • Yes, The Matthew 16:18 Church Jesus Built is Infallible & Necessary For Salvation, Not a Member.

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  • No, The Matthew 16:18 Church Jesus Built is Fallible & Not Necessary For Salvation, Not a Member.

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This thread appears to be yet another attempt to divide Christians from one another.
Yes, The Matthew 16:18 Church Jesus Built is Infallible & Necessary For Salvation, I'm a Member; THIS IS UNITY. CHRISTIANS ARE UNIFIED IN THE MATTHEW 16:18 CHURCH.
 
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This thread appears to be yet another attempt to divide Christians from one another.
LOOK AT THE POLL RESULTS, THERE ARE NO DIVISIONS; THE ANSWER IS CLEAR.

The Matthew 16:18 Church Jesus Built is Infallible & Necessary For Salvation.
 

notuptome

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#44
LOOK AT THE POLL RESULTS, THERE ARE NO DIVISIONS; THE ANSWER IS CLEAR.
Just a point of information. God does not run His affairs based on polls.

Do you think your church is infallible? What makes your church infallible?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Just a point of information. God does not run His affairs based on polls.

Do you think your church is infallible? What makes your church infallible?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Yes, The Matthew 16:18 Church Jesus Built is Infallible & Necessary For Salvation, I'm a Member.
 
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Just a point of information. God does not run His affairs based on polls.

Do you think your church is infallible? What makes your church infallible?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
God will judge you based on the correct poll answer in this thread. (y)
 

notuptome

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Yes, The Matthew 16:18 Church Jesus Built is Infallible & Necessary For Salvation, I'm a Member.
God saves by grace through faith. I do not see church in there anywhere.
God will judge you based on the correct poll answer in this thread. (y)
God has already judged all men guilty of sin and needing salvation by grace through faith. Church is a blessing for believers but has no part in salvation nor will God judge according to which church you have membership.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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God saves by grace through faith. I do not see church in there anywhere.

God has already judged all men guilty of sin and needing salvation by grace through faith. Church is a blessing for believers but has no part in salvation nor will God judge according to which church you have membership.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Are you a member of the Fallible Church you claim is not necessary for salvation?
 
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God saves by grace through faith. I do not see church in there anywhere.

God has already judged all men guilty of sin and needing salvation by grace through faith. Church is a blessing for believers but has no part in salvation nor will God judge according to which church you have membership.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
How can you claim the Matthew 16:18 Church is a blessing if you claim to not need The Matthew 16:18 Church?, you are not getting anything from The Matthew 16:18 Church; too bad for you.
 

John146

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How can you claim the Matthew 16:18 Church is a blessing if you claim to not need The Matthew 16:18 Church?, you are not getting anything from The Matthew 16:18 Church; too bad for you.
How did the Church save you?
 

notuptome

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How can you claim the Matthew 16:18 Church is a blessing if you claim to not need The Matthew 16:18 Church?, you are not getting anything from The Matthew 16:18 Church; too bad for you.
Time for you to go and troll elsewhere. I'm getting all the riches of Christ Jesus.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Oh geeeeeezzzeeee.....Peter started no church (1st), the CHURCHES (PLURAL) have not been founded on PETER....CHURCH SALVATION IS HERETICAL and SALVATION (Eternal) is based ypon grace and FAITH, not BEING A MEMBER of a TRUE N.T. CHURCH....!!!!
 
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Oh geeeeeezzzeeee.....Peter started no church (1st), the CHURCHES (PLURAL) have not been founded on PETER....CHURCH SALVATION IS HERETICAL and SALVATION (Eternal) is based ypon grace and FAITH, not BEING A MEMBER of a TRUE N.T. CHURCH....!!!!
You should have voted for poll option #4.
No, The Matthew 16:18 Church Jesus Built is Fallible & Not Necessary For Salvation, Not a Member.
 

John146

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Matthew 24:13
But he that shall persevere to the end, he shall be saved.
Jewish passage concerning the tribulation and it’s not eternal salvation but survival. Read further.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
 
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Jewish passage concerning the tribulation and it’s not eternal salvation but survival. Read further.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Hebrews 12:7
Persevere under discipline. God dealeth with you as with his sons; for what son is there, whom the father doth not correct?
 

John146

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Hebrews 12:7
Persevere under discipline. God dealeth with you as with his sons; for what son is there, whom the father doth not correct?
God disciplines us by making us go through the great tribulation? The most terrible time the earth has ever seen? Good luck.
 

Dino246

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LOOK AT THE POLL RESULTS, THERE ARE NO DIVISIONS; THE ANSWER IS CLEAR.
Yelling at me is not going to convince me of anything except that you are loud.
 

Ahwatukee

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Is your Church Infallible?
First of all, the scripture that you are referring to, does not say "infallible." What it does say is that, "the gates of Hades will not overcome it." This means that the powers of darkness will not be able to keep the church from being built. They won't be able to prevail against it.

However, in answer to your question, no believer is infallible. We are all sinners covered by the shed blood of Christ.

When we believed, we were credited with the righteousness of Christ and reconcile to God.
 

Whispered

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Matthew 16:18
And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Roman Catholics will tell you that the message in the verse above was the beginning of their church. And Peter was that rock, their first Pope. (Peter was married. Unlike priests and pope's today).
In truth, Jesus was speaking of Himself there. He, Jesus, is that rock.
Upon this rock, He is the cornerstone of the church, the rock, foundation. And the Gospel message is what would call the church, the community or body of faithful in Him, who have heard the word delivered by The Word made flesh.

Upon the rock that is Jesus the Good News invitation doth build a church. And the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.
Gates? Why doesn't it simply say, Hell shall not prevail against it?

I think it important to interject here that our faith as Christians was grounded first in Judaism and the prophecies of our blessed Messiah.
We cannot come to understanding of the scriptures if we ignore the message in the first testament, what is called, the Old Testament.
Because the Old Testament prophecies what is to come, and the New Testament testifies as to what appeared.

Judaism is filled with symbolism in its tradition. Names are translated into numbers, for example. Numbers have meaning too of course. That's why if you read the Old Testament and the New you'll notice between them a recurrence of certain numbers. 3, 7, 10, like that.

Jesus ministry in Palestine was directed to the Jews. They who had their foundation on the Tanakh.
Let's look at verse 18 through the Orthodox Jewish Bible's teaching:
The Book of Mattityahu chapter 16:18 And I also say to you that you are Shimon Kefa [Petros] and upon this TSUR I will build my Kehillah, my Chavurah (the Community of Moshiach) and the shaarei Sheol (gates of Sheol) shall not overpower it.

*The Greek Interlinear Version has, hadēs, in place of Sheol. (found at link above)

What is Sheol?
As we know in His ministry Jesus used symbolism that the Jews would be familiar with so as to impart the full meaning of His words to them. He also repeated parables that they were familiar with, using a few tweeks here and there, so as to make the contemporary image apply to their present day understanding of places and things.
So, Sheol, what is it?
Sheol is the abode of the dead. A hopeless place in the lowest parts of the earth.

See here: Bible Study Tools
..."Unlike this world, Sheol is devoid of love, hate, envy, work, thought, knowledge, and wisdom ( Ecclesiastes 9:6 Ecclesiastes 9:10 ). Descriptions are bleak: There is no light ( Job 10:21-22 ; 17:13 ; Psalms 88:6 Psalms 88:12 ; 143:3 ), no remembrance ( Psalm 6:5 ; 88:12 ; Eccl 9:5 ), no praise of God ( Psalm 6:5 ; 30:9 ; 88:10-12 ; 115:17 ; Isa 38:18 ) — in fact, no sound at all ( Psalm 94:17 ; 115:17 ). Its inhabitants are weak, trembling shades ( Job 26:5 ; Psalm 88:10-12 ; Isa 14:9-10 ) who can never hope to escape from its gates ( Job 10:21 ; 17:13-16 ; Isa 38:10 ). Sheol is like a ravenous beast that swallows the living without being sated ( Prov 1:12 ; 27:20 ; Isa 5:14 ). Some thought the dead were cut off from God ( Psalm 88:3-5 ; Isa 38:11 ); while others believed that God's presence reached even to Sheol ( Psalm 139:8 ).
Toward the end of the Old Testament, God revealed that there will be a resurrection of the dead ( Isa 26:19 ). Sheol will devour no longer; instead God will swallow up Death ( Isa 25:8 ). The faithful will be rewarded with everlasting life while the rest will experience eternal contempt ( Dan 12:2 ). This theology developed further in the intertestamental period.... [continues here]

Now we can read Matthew's verse 18 in light of that understanding.
And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.


(As an aside, since "gates" was used in the OP Bible version of Matthew, I thought this would be of added interest for those who can't get enough of Bible study: The Symbolism of the Ten Gates of Ancient Jerusalem - Part 1) This study goes through to 4 parts. There is no link to part 2 at the end of that article, as the next parts arrived at different times rather than being published in one large collection. To go to the next part just go to your browser window and replace, 1, as in part 1 in the address there, with 2. And so forth all the way to the 4th part. )