Do you want the truth? Here is the truth about eschatology
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book ends and somewhere in the middle the truth perhaps? 
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The interpretation of Dan 9:24-27 should settle this debate:
Dan 9:
24Seventy weeksd are decreed for your people and your holy city to stop their transgression, to put an end to sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.e
25Know and understand this: From the issuance of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until the Messiah,f the Prince, there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks. It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of distress.
26Then after the sixty-two weeks, the Messiah will be cut off and will have nothing.
Then the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood, and until the end there will be war; desolations have been decreed. 27And he will confirm a covenant with many for one week,g but in the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of the temple will come the abomination that causes desolation,h until the decreed destruction is poured out upon him.”
The major mark is when the Messiah comes. At this point we only have 1 week remaining; so whether you believe the coming of the Messiah was at His birth or was at His baptism, you need to show how this remaining 1 week stretches to 67-70AD or something close to that.
Dan 9:
24Seventy weeksd are decreed for your people and your holy city to stop their transgression, to put an end to sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.e
25Know and understand this: From the issuance of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until the Messiah,f the Prince, there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks. It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of distress.
26Then after the sixty-two weeks, the Messiah will be cut off and will have nothing.
Then the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood, and until the end there will be war; desolations have been decreed. 27And he will confirm a covenant with many for one week,g but in the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of the temple will come the abomination that causes desolation,h until the decreed destruction is poured out upon him.”
The major mark is when the Messiah comes. At this point we only have 1 week remaining; so whether you believe the coming of the Messiah was at His birth or was at His baptism, you need to show how this remaining 1 week stretches to 67-70AD or something close to that.
I think the best approach is to carefully examine the things any of them say(me included,lol). For instance I keep posting Josephus wars 2 but no one will discuss it after I do. A few post back I gave several Scriptures that use the term "the day of the Lord is near" and gave the Hebrew word used in the OT(check it,,see if it actually say's that,,lol).
Now not that I think of my self as an scholar by any means I am just another old man on the internet. It would be the same if you notice about any of us whether an author, a scholar,or just an old man on the www we look at something and do our best to determine what it means but it's no different than picking out a thread in a forum and citing post # 152 as the truth. In the end we will still look at post #152 and research the facts stated in it and see if the things the poster said were true or stretched to support their own position.
Now not that I think of my self as an scholar by any means I am just another old man on the internet. It would be the same if you notice about any of us whether an author, a scholar,or just an old man on the www we look at something and do our best to determine what it means but it's no different than picking out a thread in a forum and citing post # 152 as the truth. In the end we will still look at post #152 and research the facts stated in it and see if the things the poster said were true or stretched to support their own position.
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There are ways to determine reputable sources both on the internet and in academia, however reputation does in either place determines truth, on this I am sure you would agree.
In academia "citations" are a key indicator of the calibre of the scholarship.... the internet is much more tricky. LOL
What exactly in Josephus Wars 2 is no one willing to discuss?
In academia "citations" are a key indicator of the calibre of the scholarship.... the internet is much more tricky. LOL
What exactly in Josephus Wars 2 is no one willing to discuss?
It seems as if someone sees things Catholic then they will go to an Catholic school to get their education and diplomas. If someone sees things as extreme dispensation-al then they will attend th Dallas seminary and get their credentials there. Baptist do the same,and the Methodist,Lutherans ect.ect. even the Jews study in their schools and get diplomas to prove their reputation. So it's a matter of choice before they ever began to obtain credentials from the camps school they desire to protect and prove is correct.
In post #224 I gave a link and suggested the Jews were who were killed because they refused to worship Nero as God(image) and so were killed, is this correct or not? It wasn't the fulfillment of Revelation 13:15 though I was waiting to see what you would say.
(Rev 9:10 They had tails like scorpions, and there were stings in their tails. Their power was to hurt men five months. )
Note John says they had tails like scorpions. Real scorpions have actual scorpion tails.
(Rev 16:21 And great hail from heaven fell upon men, each hailstone about the weight of a talent. Men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, since that plague was exceedingly great. )
This is from Josephus' Wars of the Jews:
The engines, that all the legions had ready prepared for them, were admirably contrived; but still more extraordinary ones belonged to the tenth legion: those that threw darts and those that threw stones were more forcible and larger than the rest, by which they not only repelled the excursions of the Jews, but drove those away that were upon the walls also. Now the stones that were cast were of the weight of a talent.
Wikipedia:
The scorpio or scorpion was a type of Roman artillery piece. Also known by the name of the triggerfish, it was described in detail by Vitruvius. In the progressive evolution of catapults, the next major improvement after the scorpio was the cheiroballistra.
Note John says they had tails like scorpions. Real scorpions have actual scorpion tails.
(Rev 16:21 And great hail from heaven fell upon men, each hailstone about the weight of a talent. Men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, since that plague was exceedingly great. )
This is from Josephus' Wars of the Jews:
The engines, that all the legions had ready prepared for them, were admirably contrived; but still more extraordinary ones belonged to the tenth legion: those that threw darts and those that threw stones were more forcible and larger than the rest, by which they not only repelled the excursions of the Jews, but drove those away that were upon the walls also. Now the stones that were cast were of the weight of a talent.
Wikipedia:
The scorpio or scorpion was a type of Roman artillery piece. Also known by the name of the triggerfish, it was described in detail by Vitruvius. In the progressive evolution of catapults, the next major improvement after the scorpio was the cheiroballistra.
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I agree, "theology scholarship" is not my field of expertise but I would agree that people are definitely in silos, in various schools of thought, but this is true is no matter what field.... internal bias is a problem all the time, the only one who can breakdown those internal biases is Christ Jesus because He is Truth.
Okay I will go back and reread.... I must have missed it....some nasty comments on this thread, when the "ad hom" attacks arrive I usually leave and try not to be pulled in.
Okay I will go back and reread.... I must have missed it....some nasty comments on this thread, when the "ad hom" attacks arrive I usually leave and try not to be pulled in.
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That could prove more interesting if you had mentioned the book and chapter from Josephus. The stones were painted(black/white) to keep them from seeing them coming and shouting, "the son cometh" and dodge them. After they were painted and were not as easily seen Titus realized that they were not effective and stopped. Just another quote being re-quoted without a source given and without checking the context.
It would be nice "if you had mentioned the book and chapter from Josephus"
But the Romans contrived how to prevent that, by blacking the stone: who then could aim at them with success, when the stone was not discerned beforehand, as it had been till then: and so they destroyed many of them at one blow. Yet did not the Jews, under all this distress, permit the Romans to raise their banks in quiet. But they shrewdly and boldly exerted themselves, and repelled them, both by night, and by day.
But the Romans contrived how to prevent that, by blacking the stone: who then could aim at them with success, when the stone was not discerned beforehand, as it had been till then: and so they destroyed many of them at one blow. Yet did not the Jews, under all this distress, permit the Romans to raise their banks in quiet. But they shrewdly and boldly exerted themselves, and repelled them, both by night, and by day.
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Thank you for the laugh!!!
lol, https://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/war-5.html#EndNote_War_5.16a it's in chapter 6, paragraph 3 if you would like to read it. See the note (16) because "the son cometh" is more like "stone,arrow,dart" instead of son.