Does a Christian in the USA have an obligation to surrender weapons to an oppressive government?

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Does a Christian citizen of the USA have an obligation to surrender weapons to a repressive governme

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 17.6%
  • No

    Votes: 13 76.5%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 1 5.9%

  • Total voters
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posthuman

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Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then [I saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received [his] mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Isn't it interesting that these saints are beheaded, not shot?

:unsure:
 

crossnote

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#22
Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then [I saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received [his] mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Isn't it interesting that these saints are beheaded, not shot?

:unsure:
144,000 Marie-Antoinette's running around?
 

notuptome

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#23
Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then [I saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received [his] mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Isn't it interesting that these saints are beheaded, not shot?

:unsure:
Beheading is a popular method of show killings in the middle east.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Absolutely

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When men and families risk their lives to come here, why would they do that????
They leave gun free countries that are murderous and shooting citizens ( liberal utopias) to come here where thousands WITH GUNS had to die So the ones from gun free zones ( countries) could die trying to get here or die at the hands of those with guns IN GUN PROHIBITED countries.

Hmmmm
One way ( freedom) comes with armed good guys vs armed bad guys.

Suffering and torment in communist countries comes when only the bad guys are armed.

It is not question of "if" or , "do i need to take up arms" it is when.

Freedom ONLY COMES through defeating its enemies.

The framers put it this way
" all enemies foreign and domestic"

( our own gov gone haywire)
 

Absolutely

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#25
My daughter had her blue healer mauled by a pit bull. ( please pray for " jazz")
3 hospitals later ( first 2 wanted to amputate his leg) he is now back home..

She had no gun.

ThE cops came and would NOT SHOOT the pit bull STILL TEARING UP HER DOG.

IT WAD HORRIFIC


I told her " get a .380 and get good with it"..." You can not be without a gun"

Mine is handy and loaded.
I saved my little dog a few years ago from a javelina boar. It was chasing my dog then came after me. I hit it with one shot ,2 missed. It walked off real slowly and most likely died. But me and the dog lived.

Get a gun and learn how to use it.
Period.

Get as much ammo as you can.

If nothing else get a .22.

It is extremely lethal in a small easy to use package.

Would have worked wonders on saving jazz.

Pit bulls are not dogs.
A dog body with a shark head.

No same person seeing what my daughter saw would own one.

Everyone should see the horror those dogs are capable of.

Watch them in action ( killing machines) before you buy one.
 

Blackpowderduelist

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#26
This post assumes that there will be a unanimous government wide at all levels consensus. However that's not true. Many states have already made resolutions to protect the second amendment, local governments as well. Tennessee Governor just signed into law constitutional carry statewide, it goes into effect in July. The point is that a gun confiscation attempt is not going to be that cut and dry.
 

Reformed1689

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The Democrats aren't un-American. America has become babylon and we Christians as a result have become unamerican.
 

CS1

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#29
Maybe an actually Biblically relevant question is whether a Christian is obligated to shoot at governing authorities if they didn't vote for them.

Do we need bullets to preach the gospel? Did the apostles try to overthrow Rome when they were being persecuted even to death or did they praise God all the way to their executions, joyous and thankful that they were counted worthy to suffer for the sake of His name?

Seems to me that Peter was told to put away his sword and Christ healed Malchus. Don't you ever wonder why God saw fit to record that man's name in scripture?

That being said every world war the United States was in HAD Christians fighting in them. Jesus said there WILL BE wars and rumors of war. For those who are preaching the gospel no, you should not take a gun, but those who are defending their nation require a sword and spear.

God is a God of war and sin produced the attack on people. God told his people to take the land FYI it was not done with only BBQ & reasoning.

The taking of your ability to defend yourself has nothing to do with the gospel message and everything to do with what has already been done before, Control and removal of those with who one disagrees. Also One too must remember Peter still had a sword even IF Jesus told Him to put it away that NIGHT!

it is foolish to stand and breathe the air of freedom that was achieved by God and those who gave their lives for it and think it is ungodly to fight for one's land that God has given. Please show me in the word of God where the People did not have to always fight the enemy? The People of God only were overtaken when they had SIN in the camp. When there were in right relationship with God THEY killed their enemy.
 

Blackpowderduelist

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#30
The Democrats aren't un-American. America has become babylon and we Christians as a result have become unamerican.
All the world is Babylon, and opposed to Christendom. Christendom is a people who our land is out communities homes and our neighbors. We are a nation without borders. Infiltrated into and all across Babylon.
 

CS1

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All the world is Babylon, and opposed to Christendom. Christendom is a people who our land is out communities homes and our neighbors. We are a nation without borders. Infiltrated into and all across Babylon.
IF the United States is the greatest evil today and seen as New Babylon, There every other place is just as bad there is no other location to go to. As America goes down so do every other nation BUT the one God has established. The rest are all doomed :)
 

Blackpowderduelist

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#32
IF the United States is the greatest evil today and seen as New Babylon, There every other place is just as bad there is no other location to go to. As America goes down so do every other nation BUT the one God has established. The rest are all doomed :)
Read what I said. Don't impose on it what you think I said.
I said, "all the world is Babylon" and is opposed to Christendom. That we don't have a country with borders.
 

oyster67

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I ain't gonna win a lot of friends with that comment lol
I stand with you, skinny buddy.:) What would Jesus do? What did Jesus do? I think we all know. Jesus came to be our Example as well as our Savior.
 

oyster67

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#35
No. But we do need bullets to protect the ones He's entrusted to us.
I'm sure you fancy yourself to be a skilled marksman, but God doesn't need your help...

Romans
12:17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

I guess shooting him up with bullets is not on the table, huh?:coffee:
 

tourist

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#36
I don't own any weapons but if I did I sure would not feel obligated to hand them over to the government and would resist doing so if and when the government choses to confiscate them.
 

CS1

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#39
Read what I said. Don't impose on it what you think I said.
I said, "all the world is Babylon" and is opposed to Christendom. That we don't have a country with borders.
sorry for the response to your post but it was not directed to you it was the comment to those who have said and think as such. I should have been clearer on that. :)
 

posthuman

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That being said every world war the United States was in HAD Christians fighting in them. Jesus said there WILL BE wars and rumors of war. For those who are preaching the gospel no, you should not take a gun, but those who are defending their nation require a sword and spear.

God is a God of war and sin produced the attack on people. God told his people to take the land FYI it was not done with only BBQ & reasoning.

The taking of your ability to defend yourself has nothing to do with the gospel message and everything to do with what has already been done before, Control and removal of those with who one disagrees. Also One too must remember Peter still had a sword even IF Jesus told Him to put it away that NIGHT!

it is foolish to stand and breathe the air of freedom that was achieved by God and those who gave their lives for it and think it is ungodly to fight for one's land that God has given. Please show me in the word of God where the People did not have to always fight the enemy? The People of God only were overtaken when they had SIN in the camp. When there were in right relationship with God THEY killed their enemy.
Sure. But the people who start threads like this are talking about overthrowing their own governments, not about being conscripted soldiers. Their rationale is that they expect and desire to be involved in a civil war.

There's no movement to disarm the populace. There are movements to enforce background checks so that maybe fewer psychopaths will have such easy access to weapons, and to restrict weapons that have zero purpose outside of wholesale human slaughter. You don't need an AK47 with a 100 round drum to defend yourself from a coyote or a burglar or to hunt a deer for food. Why do people have these? Because they expect to kill 30 people with them, no other reason.

We're being strung along by the NRA and people who sell bullets are making millions on our fear.