Does a Christian in the USA have an obligation to surrender weapons to an oppressive government?

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Does a Christian citizen of the USA have an obligation to surrender weapons to a repressive governme

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 17.6%
  • No

    Votes: 13 76.5%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 1 5.9%

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posthuman

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#41
I do own at least one gun, so don't y'all even start with the assumptions.

((BTW))
 

oyster67

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#42
I don't trust the government one bit. The government is absolutely hostile to Christianity and freedom.
Always has been, always will be (until Christ puts an end to it). It is of the World. It is the World.
 

oyster67

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#44
You don't need an AK47 with a 100 round drum to defend yourself from a coyote
I wouldn't mind having one at my place. The Coy-dogs run in big packs and want to eat my little Amelia! (I understand your point, though.)
 

Blackpowderduelist

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#45
Sure. But the people who start threads like this are talking about overthrowing their own governments, not about being conscripted soldiers. Their rationale is that they expect and desire to be involved in a civil war.

There's no movement to disarm the populace. There are movements to enforce background checks so that maybe fewer psychopaths will have such easy access to weapons, and to restrict weapons that have zero purpose outside of wholesale human slaughter. You don't need an AK47 with a 100 round drum to defend yourself from a coyote or a burglar or to hunt a deer for food. Why do people have these? Because they expect to kill 30 people with them, no other reason.

We're being strung along by the NRA and people who sell bullets are making millions on our fear.
I'm talking about defending my neighbors from rogue Governments, evadinging forces, and incase these crazy suckers do set off a civil war. Not just robbers and critters.
You're being foolish to think there isn't factions in our government who want to disarm us. There are more than a few who have said as much.
 

Blackpowderduelist

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#46
Don't forget it was just 2014 when a group of armed citizens stood down the Bureau of Land Management, when they attempted to confiscate a ranchers herd of cows. He won his court case as well.
 

surfer14

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#47
I'm sure you fancy yourself to be a skilled marksman, but God doesn't need your help...

Romans
12:17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

I guess shooting him up with bullets is not on the table, huh?:coffee:
God doesn't need my help. My family does.
 

posthuman

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Don't forget it was just 2014 when a group of armed citizens stood down the Bureau of Land Management, when they attempted to confiscate a ranchers herd of cows. He won his court case as well.
I remember that. That man was in the wrong. He had been illegally grazing his cattle on land that didn't belong to him for a really long time.
For over 20 years he had been refusing court orders and ignoring fines. Stealing. Lawless. Iniquity.

All those people who flocked there hoping to shoot cops were in the wrong too. They were helping him steal. Helping him defy the law. Helping him commit iniquity. This is not something to be celebrated.
 

Blackpowderduelist

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#49
I remember that. That man was in the wrong. He had been illegally grazing his cattle on land that didn't belong to him for a really long time.

All those people who flocked there hoping to shoot cops were in the wrong too.
He won his court case. That land was open federal free ranging land meaning anyone could free graze cattle there. And they had for generations.

No one fired a shot so you are wrong to assume their intentions. They were there to protect their rights as ranchers and farmers.
 

CS1

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#50
Sure. But the people who start threads like this are talking about overthrowing their own governments, not about being conscripted soldiers. Their rationale is that they expect and desire to be involved in a civil war.

There's no movement to disarm the populace. There are movements to enforce background checks so that maybe fewer psychopaths will have such easy access to weapons, and to restrict weapons that have zero purposes outside of wholesale human slaughter. You don't need an AK47 with a 100 round drum to defend yourself from a coyote or a burglar or to hunt a deer for food. Why do people have these? Because they expect to kill 30 people with them, no other reason.

We're being strung along by the NRA and people who sell bullets are making millions on our fear.
civil war is war nonetheless. Could you imagine if The German people would have done so against Hitler? I will remind you He went to jail for his perverted ideas years before.

You want to be political about the type of weapon one can use go right ahead. The cartels and those in Afganistan are not using muskets and bows and arrows, and the 100 round drum was not created for coyotes unless you ARE TALKING ABOUT those call Coyotes who traffic people.

The second amendment was not for hunting that is a false narrative made by those snowflakes.

The right for a person(s) to bear arms was to ensure the government doesn't become a tyrant as they are now.
 

posthuman

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#51
He won his court case. That land was open federal free ranging land meaning anyone could free graze cattle there. And they had for generations.

No one fired a shot so you are wrong to assume their intentions. They were there to protect their rights as ranchers and farmers.
I know people who went there from a thousand miles away, personally, and I know their intentions.
 

posthuman

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He didn't win his case it was a mistrial because the feds didn't disclose some of the surveillance cameras they had put up.
He had lost 28 years of cases and owed millions in fines. He is still illegally grazing on federal land without paying the grazing fees - still a thief.
Trump pardoned him. He threatened violence if Biden enforces the law he's been breaking for almost 3 decades.
 

Blackpowderduelist

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#53
He didn't win his case it was a mistrial because the feds didn't disclose some of the surveillance cameras they had put up.
He had lost 28 years of cases and owed millions in fines. He is still illegally grazing on federal land without paying the grazing fees - still a thief.
Trump pardoned him. He threatened violence if Biden enforces the law he's been breaking for almost 3 decades.
In 2020 a federal court refused to take the case back up.
 

Blackpowderduelist

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#54
I know people who went there from a thousand miles away, personally, and I know their intentions.
You may have know some of those folks and they may have disclosed their desires, however not a shot was fired, so they didn't really want to. Braggard speach ain't necessarily honest speach.
 

CS1

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#55
Sure. But the people who start threads like this are talking about overthrowing their own governments, not about being conscripted soldiers. Their rationale is that they expect and desire to be involved in a civil war.

There's no movement to disarm the populace. There are movements to enforce background checks so that maybe fewer psychopaths will have such easy access to weapons, and to restrict weapons that have zero purposes outside of wholesale human slaughter. You don't need an AK47 with a 100 round drum to defend yourself from a coyote or a burglar or to hunt a deer for food. Why do people have these? Because they expect to kill 30 people with them, no other reason.

We're being strung along by the NRA and people who sell bullets are making millions on our fear.
there is no movement to disarm huh? Ok, I find it very interesting that this current admin is talking about that very thing and how all of a sudden these shootings are now in the media, and the only answer is gun control. LOL
 

crossnote

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#56
I don't own any weapons but if I did I sure would not feel obligated to hand them over to the government and would resist doing so if and when the government choses to confiscate them.
I never tell whether I own or don't own. Keep 'em guessing is the best policy.
 

Absolutely

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there is no movement to disarm huh? Ok, I find it very interesting that this current admin is talking about that very thing and how all of a sudden these shootings are now in the media, and the only answer is gun control. LOL
....and how many were happening under trump?

I can not remember any. Maybe one?

Now, 3 months into the dictatorship there has been 3 or 4.

Staged?

Fake?

Will we ever know?

Sure is convienient.
 
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Sure. But the people who start threads like this are talking about overthrowing their own governments, not about being conscripted soldiers. Their rationale is that they expect and desire to be involved in a civil war.

There's no movement to disarm the populace. There are movements to enforce background checks so that maybe fewer psychopaths will have such easy access to weapons, and to restrict weapons that have zero purpose outside of wholesale human slaughter. You don't need an AK47 with a 100 round drum to defend yourself from a coyote or a burglar or to hunt a deer for food. Why do people have these? Because they expect to kill 30 people with them, no other reason.

We're being strung along by the NRA and people who sell bullets are making millions on our fear.
The second admendment is not about hunting rights or personal protection, it is about citizens having the ability to keep in check enemies both foreign and domestic. Coyotes, burglars, deer and the NRA are but muddying up the waters. Regardless of the existence of a "movement to disarm the populace" your points are irrelevant, the 2nd Amendment is to have the ability to rise up against tyranny.

All tyrants fear an armed population.

Let us not wait to the day when there are no blacksmiths (gunsmiths) to go to. (1st Samuel 13:19)
 

CS1

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....and how many were happening under trump?

I can not remember any. Maybe one?

Now, 3 months into the dictatorship there has been 3 or 4.

Staged?

Fake?

Will we ever know?

Sure is convienient.
I will say it is sure A funny and we know full well there are those who use crazy people at the right time to cause an effect. it is in fact a playbook move of socialism. Then attack those who suggest it.