Does anyone else perceive something radical Occurring with the Writings of Paul

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fredjames said:
Thank you, is the answer, 'as it is written', JESUS gave two 'commandments', or 'Covenant' as you have 'quoted'?
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Jesus gave two commandments (Mt 22:37-39), the law of Christ (Gal 6:2; 1Co 9:21; Jas 2:8), for those in the new covenant (Lk 22:20).
 
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I hate to break it to you, but God's law is here to stay. No matter how much you hate it, and want it to be abolished, His people are still going to continue to obey it. The scriptures show that people from all nations of the world will go to Jerusalem to learn the torah during the milennial reign.

All your accomplishing by rebelling against the truth is making yourself the "least in the kingdom". It may also invalidate your prayers.

Mathew 5:19- Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Prverbs 28:9- He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
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Yup. Until heavens and earth pass away, that is. After that, who knows? We'll be spiritual beings, and one with God.
 
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Danel said:
Yup. Until heavens and earth pass away, that is. After that, who knows?
We'll be spiritual beings, and one with God.
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We are spiritual beings now.

We will have glorified, spiritual physical bodies at the resurrection, as Jesus' body was physical.

What sect teaches this stuff?
 
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JesusLives said:
Everyone wants to love Paul and what he said/wrote........... and granted he was lead by the Holy Spirit.....However, What about what Jesus said? I respect Paul but Jesus is God.....I think I will stick with what Jesus said as it was coming straight from the source.
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You are talking as if Paul's letters are of less weight than the Gospel accounts written by John, Matthew, Luke and Mark. Weren't all the words inspired by the same Holy Spirit?
 
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Elin said:
We are spiritual beings now.

We will have glorified, spiritual physical bodies at the resurrection, as Jesus' body was physical.

What sect teaches this stuff?
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The bible teaches it. During the milennial reign, there will still be birth and death. The people who are born at that time will live in peace and prosperity , and practice all of God's commanments.

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fredjames said:
Is there not a 'difference' between a 'bride' and a 'wife'?
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No. . .the church is the bride and wife of the Lamb, who is Jesus Christ (Jn 1:29).

Where is 'wife' mentioned in the Holy Scripture?
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Eph 5:31-32; Rev 21:9.

Aren't you kind of 'partially off' according to the 'written' and 'taught' Holy Scripture by the HOLY SPIRIT?
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No.
 
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Samsaviel said:
Mathew 5:19- Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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When JESUS said 'this', was HE not still like everyone else under the 'laws' and 'commandments' of Moses and 'without sin' to them and still 'reminding' them to the 'Israelite' to follow meantime, until HE will 'fulfill' them in their full requirement of GOD and for them and 'proclaimed' on the Cross of Calvary to those who 'believe', that;

"It is accomplished."

Do you want to still 'accomplish them' for GOD, or CHRIST have already, from what HE said earlier to the Israelite, have already 'accomplished' them for those who 'believe' HIS 'word/teaching' and therefore 'imparting' in them the New Covenant/Testament, henceforth calling them to 'practice' and 'abide' and 'bear much fruit' and also 'their must also abide'.

GOD bless you in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.
 
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Samsaviel said:
I hate to break it to you, but God's law is here to stay. No matter how much you hate it, and want it to be abolished, His people are still going to continue to obey it. The scriptures show that people from all nations of the world will go to Jerusalem to learn the torah during the milennial reign.
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Assuming one agrees with your uncertain private interpretation of unfulfilled prophetic riddles, which others in the body of Christ interpret entirely differently.
 
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Danel said:
The bible teaches it. During the milennial reign, there will still be birth and death. The people who are born at that time will live in peace and prosperity , and practice all of God's commanments.
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Assuming one agrees with your uncertain private interpretation of unfulfilled prophetic riddles, which others in the body of Christ interpret entirely differently.
 
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Elin said:
No. . .the church is the bride and wife of the Lamb, who is Jesus Christ (Jn 1:29).


Eph 5:31-32; Rev 21:9.


No.
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i do 'apologize', 'i am sorry' to all and you, that i was 'off' on this 'matter', in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST. You are 'truthfully' just and fair about the 'bride' and 'wife' who have become 'one' through the 'church'.

Thank you and may GOD the FATHER of out LORD JESUS CHRIST bless you.
 
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Elin said:
Jesus gave two commandments (Mt 22:37-39), the law of Christ (Gal 6:2; 1Co 9:21; Jas 2:8), for those in the new covenant (Lk 22:20).
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Thank you and where is the 'two New Covenant', when there is only 'one', given, made and written in the HOLY BIBLE?

And in that New Covenant only one who 'believe', may discover what is written 'in part', JESUS gave the 'two commandments' of GOD, as only the 'basis', to all the written word/teaching New Covenant/Testament which we were 'called' to 'practice' and 'abide' and 'bear much fruit', and 'our fruit must abide'.

Thank you and may GOD bless you in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.
 
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JesusLives said:
Everyone wants to love Paul and what he said/wrote........... and granted he was lead by the Holy Spirit.....However, What about what Jesus said? I respect Paul but Jesus is God.....I think I will stick with what Jesus said as it was coming straight from the source.
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Tell me one thing ( and there is just one) that Paul didn't get from Christ.
Why do people esteem Paul so highly? Because what he brings, he brings directly from Christ.
Perhaps you should read the 1st chapter of Galatians and let it sink in.
 
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phil112 said:
Tell me one thing ( and there is just one) that Paul didn't get from Christ.
Why do people esteem Paul so highly? Because what he brings, he brings directly from Christ.
Perhaps you should read the 1st chapter of Galatians and let it sink in.
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Anytime anyone tries to take a human and push that human's importance above Jesus is when I have a problem....I will take what Jesus said above all humans.....In my life there have been other people trying to make other humans of high importance and it just does not sit well with Blond....Not speaking of you personally Phil talking about some from my own church in my childhood....So I am sticking with Jesus that's just my own personal belief....
 
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fredjames said:
Thank you and where is the 'two New Covenant', when there is only 'one', given, made and written in the HOLY BIBLE?
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There are two new-covenant laws, only one new covenant itself.
 
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fredjames said:
i do 'apologize', 'i am sorry' to all and you, that i was 'off' on this 'matter', in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST. You are 'truthfully' just and fair about the 'bride' and 'wife' who have become 'one' through the 'church'.

Thank you and may GOD the FATHER of out LORD JESUS CHRIST bless you.
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You are a delight. . .

The bride/wife/church and Christ are one in the two-in-one enfleshment of the marital union.
 
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JesusLives said:
Anytime anyone tries to take a human and push that human's importance above Jesus is when I have a problem....I will take what Jesus said above all humans.....In my life there have been other people trying to make other humans of high importance and it just does not sit well with Blond....Not speaking of you personally Phil talking about some from my own church in my childhood....So I am sticking with Jesus that's just my own personal belief....
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The words written by Paul are as much the word of God as the words written by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

All of them are God-breathed (2Tim 3:6).
 
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JesusLives said:
Anytime anyone tries to take a human and push that human's importance above Jesus is when I have a problem....I will take what Jesus said above all humans.....In my life there have been other people trying to make other humans of high importance and it just does not sit well with Blond....Not speaking of you personally Phil talking about some from my own church in my childhood....So I am sticking with Jesus that's just my own personal belief....
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The point I'm trying to make is that Paul's words are Christ's. Paul is not a liar and he said so. Many times.

Paul isn't level with Christ as a man, but the words carry the same credibility.
 
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phil112 said:
The point I'm trying to make is that Paul's words are Christ's. Paul is not a liar and he said so. Many times.

Paul isn't level with Christ as a man, but the words carry the same credibility.
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I don't have a problem with Paul's words....Just those misusing them....
 
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JaumeJ said:
Does anyone else perceive something radical Occurring with the Writings of Paul=
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Paul was a great missionary with great wisdom. He has much to offer for those who want to read his letters. That is why they were collected, held on to, and included in Scripture.
 
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