Does Anyone Here Teach The Following?

[preacher4truth]

To shed some more light on lawlessness/iniquity:

Matthew 24:
3 As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” 4 And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. 5 For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for this must take place, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are but the beginning of the birth pains.


9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. 12 And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Yes, they will come and say "I am anointed" not necessarily that they are actual Messiah which is the meaning of the text.

This reminds me of one group in particular.

Seems to be the same group in Matthew 7:21-23 who claimed to do all kinds of wonderful works, casting out devils, all the biblical abracadabra that comes along with it. Oh, and they were formerly described as wolves in sheeps clothing - always trying to prove themselves as sheep by perpetually trying to convince others of their kindness and "salt" while trying to unify the wolves into the sheepfold.

Yep. Sounds very familiar.

 

[kaylagrl]

This isn't true which seems to be the norm around here. Both trofimus and myself have shown in the past were KG had done this by directly quoting her.

No! KG did not do this! I have no reason to suddenly start lying about CC members. People here know I have never done that,why would start lying about people. You are misrepresenting what your believe,which is full of holes and contradictions. Others here have called you out on this again and again. I have not lied about what you believe!

 

[SovereignGrace]

Isn't that what the verse says?

And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

You don't have to be a Universalist to believe this scripture . . . you can't be a Calvinist and believe this scripture . . . you have to be just a regular ole person who believes in the word of God and knows that salvation is derived through belief in Jesus Christ and that is Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the light. No man comes to the Father but through him and no one comes to the Son unless God draws him . . . God draws all men . . . and they shall all be taught of God. Every man therefore that has heard and has learned of the Father, comes unto me.

To be atoned for means to be reconciled to God. To be reconciled to God means to be in good standing. The lost aren't in good standing in any way, shape, form, or fashion.

In the atonement we have the death, burial and resurrection of the Christ. Romans 4:25 says He rose for OUR justification. If He rose for OUR justification, and if OUR means everybody w/o exception, then everybodys justified. Hello universalism.

 

[ForthAngel]

Yes, but wouldn't the church already reach repentance in order to even belong to the church, the body of Christ?

No. The bible was also written to future generations. Still more to be saved. There are still elect who are yet to be called out of the world through the Gospel.

This is written to those who believe and Peter is teaching them concerning scoffers: 4) And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. v5) But this they are willingly ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord is a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Yeah, I agree with the passage and what it is about. It seems to be speaking specifically to future generations interestingly enough.

I just love that picture - well, humpf, where is this Jesus Christ you say is coming? Everything is just going on as it always has and I see no evidence of him coming . . . Peter's response is that the word of God created the heavens of old and by God's word, he is now keeping the heavens and earth, reserving the same against the day of judgment. It doesn't matter how long the Lord takes - he is not slack concerning his promise; he is just holding and reserving in his intent to be longsuffering giving everyone the time and chance to come to repentance because he doesn't will for any to perish.

He is patient for the elect's sake though. This is true no matter what side of the argument we find ourselves on. God already knows who will be saved from eternity past. The previous chapter makes the claim God keeps the wicked under punishment until the day of judgment and that is juxtaposed with being patient toward you (the elect/church), wanting all to come to repentance.

The grace, the love, the mercy, the compassion, the longsuffering of our Lord and God toward sinners, is awe inspiring!

Agreed. All for his glory.

 

[preacher4truth]

Just goes to expose his own deceptive nature and self-deception. He isn't the only one either by far. I'm sure I'll be called a slanderer now for stating a fact.

Yep, for everything and everyone except for the truth and the proponents of truth. Those who hold to the truth are called "slanderers" and the Word is wrested out of context in attempt to condemn them. They continually misfire.

 

[Meggido]

Amen!! What people don't get is that in MacArthur's book "The Gospel According to Jesus" he was only solidifying the true Gospel preached by the church for centuries. But, people have been so hoodwinked by the false free will gospel and decisional regeneration they could only see it as "works salvation." Any evidence of conversion, on-going sanctification, examination of conversion are all met with "that's a works gospel." Just think about that for a minute, it tells you people hold to not only a false gospel but to antinomianism. They will never see it but by God's grace.

No, John MacArthur and any Celebrity Christian that writes a book are only solidifying what his or their own personal interpretation of what they think the true Gospel is.

Never, ever try to state as fact, that a written resource is the true Gospel, because it is not, not for MacArthur, Prince, Bevere, Jakes or any of them.

Books are written to make money and Mac is no exception.

 

[ForthAngel]

Yes, but wouldn't the church already reach repentance in order to even belong to the church, the body of Christ?

BTW, thank you for being civil and peaceful and living up to your screen name in our conversations.

 

[preacher4truth]

No, John MacArthur and any Celebrity Christian that writes a book are only solidifying what his or their own personal interpretation of what they think the true Gospel is.

Nope, sorry, you don't know the Gospel and the history of its preaching throughout church history. His book taught those same truths. But, you're not new at falsely accusing brother John MacArthur. Or others. Seems a practice of yours and that is just going by what you do here.

Never, ever try to state as fact, that a written resource is the true Gospel, because it is not, not for MacArthur, Prince, Bevere, Jakes or any of them.

Yes, never ever do that, unless you're doing it then we're to believe your false accusations as gospel truth.

You have nothing to corroborate your slander, only slander which is par for the course with you. As far As MacArthur his Gospel is crystallized in his book. It is documented and you cannot refute his points.

Books are written to make money and Mac is no exception.

Ya think? And I build and remodel to make a living but should work for free. Scripture supports ministerial income. If God blessed JM to write books to the benefit of others then good.

 

[Meggido]

I had "filed him away" at some point. Seems to follow me from thread to thread calling me names, slandering, lying, and talking about being loving.

None of them can prove their accusations. I recall this clan coming into my threads to protect wolves and to right off the bat call me everything but a white man for exposing well known heretics.

Keep playing that victim card, because each time you do, it reveals your own hypocrisy.

 

[ForthAngel]

Yes, they will come and say "I am anointed" not necessarily that they are actual Messiah which is the meaning of the text.

This reminds me of one group in particular.

Seems to be the same group in Matthew 7:21-23 who claimed to do all kinds of wonderful works, casting out devils, all the biblical abracadabra that comes along with it. Oh, and they were formerly described as wolves in sheeps clothing - always trying to prove themselves as sheep by perpetually trying to convince others of their kindness and "salt" while trying to unify the wolves into the sheepfold.

Yep. Sounds very familiar.

Someone made a thread the other day suggesting that verse could also mean people will admit that Jesus is the Christ but still be false in everything else. I never looked at it that way, but I could see that being a possibility as well. Seems to work both ways. Many say Jesus is the Christ, but then they mangle the Gospel and teach falsely in everything beyond that. Even the demons admitted who Jesus was.

 

[dcontroversal]

And yet Scripture plainly states that only God is immortal, while many bleat about the immortality of the soul and make up all sorts of nonsense in that regard, despite the plain teaching of Scripture that the wages of sin is death.

You know we agree on many things and I have no problem with you, but this is one area where you carry the baggage of a past religion...the bible is clear.....two witnesses are sufficient to embrace the truth of any particular subject....the spirit that man has is eternal and will spend eternity in one of two places......I will not argue with you over this as the last two rounds we have had have born no fruit.....I believe hell and the lake of fire is real, eternal and all men, women and children who reach the point of being accountable will spend eternity there if they die without Christ......I know you do not believe this....however, I do not allow it to make me mad and or change the fact that I consider you a sister in Christ!

 

[preacher4truth]

Keep playing that victim card, because each time you do, it reveals your own hypocrisy.

Cool. Anything else?

 

[preacher4truth]

Someone made a thread the other day suggesting that verse could also mean people will admit that Jesus is the Christ but still be false in everything else. I never looked at it that way, but I could see that being a possibility as well. Seems to work both ways. Many say Jesus is the Christ, but then they mangle the Gospel and teach falsely in everything beyond that. Even the demons admitted who Jesus was.

Not sure I buy that. The text seems to make their claim more personal in that they are claiming themselves to be anointed of God. Maybe I'll look for that thread.

 

[Meggido]

No. The bible was also written to future generations. Still more to be saved. There are still elect who are yet to be called out of the world through the Gospel.



Yeah, I agree with the passage and what it is about. It seems to be speaking specifically to future generations interestingly enough.



He is patient for the elect's sake though. This is true no matter what side of the argument we find ourselves on. God already knows who will be saved from eternity past. The previous chapter makes the claim God keeps the wicked under punishment until the day of judgment and that is juxtaposed with being patient toward you (the elect/church), wanting all to come to repentance.



Agreed. All for his glory.

Here is a wonderful example of pure contradiction. You say God chooses you to be elect all over the place then tell us this:

There are still elect who are yet to be called out of the world through the Gospel.

How do you become elect?

God chooses you or the Gospel chooses you?

Which is it, it cannot be both?

 

[ForthAngel]

And yet Scripture plainly states that only God is immortal, while many bleat about the immortality of the soul and make up all sorts of nonsense in that regard, despite the plain teaching of Scripture that the wages of sin is death.

I may catch some flack for this, but you know I lean toward Annihilationism as well. There are some other reformed believers I know who lean toward it as well. I still won't take a solid stance on it though. I see good arguments both ways. When I see everywhere talking about second death, death, destruction, trampled to ashes underfoot, and only one verse in a highly allegorized book about "the smoke of their torment rising forever", I would rather interpret it with everything else that came before it that is plainly death/destruction.

 

[ForthAngel]

Here is a wonderful example of pure contradiction. You say God chooses you to be elect all over the place then tell us this:



How do you become elect?

God chooses you or the Gospel chooses you?

Which is it, it cannot be both?

Sure it can. The Gospel is the means by which God chose to call his elect. It's not difficult. I know you probably have a bible that deleted the word elect and predestined from it, but unfortunately for the rest of us, those words are in there. So is the Gospel. So...

 

[ForthAngel]

Not sure I buy that. The text seems to make their claim more personal in that they are claiming themselves to be anointed of God. Maybe I'll look for that thread.

It works both ways IMO. But yeah, more likely it means those who claim to be Christ, or even a special anointing making them equal as Christ.

 

[preacher4truth]

How do you become elect?

As if a person accomplishes this themselves.

God chooses you or the Gospel chooses you?

Which is it, it cannot be both?

They're both true, God chooses (elects) us and does so through Gospel preaching.

So, yes, both are true, and you're incorrect. Again. Still.

Do you claim Romans 8:28ff for yourself?

 

[preacher4truth]

It works both ways IMO. But yeah, more likely it means those who claim to be Christ, or even a special anointing making them equal as Christ.

Fair enough but I am worn out from the sun today, but at least my back is better and I am like 90% lolzzzzzzzz

 

[Meggido]

Nope, sorry, you don't know the Gospel and the history of its preaching throughout church history. His book taught those same truths. But, you're not new at falsely accusing brother John MacArthur. Or others. Seems a practice of yours and that is just going by what you do here.



Yes, never ever do that, unless you're doing it then we're to believe your false accusations as gospel truth.

You have nothing to corroborate your slander, only slander which is par for the course with you. As far As MacArthur his Gospel is crystallized in his book. It is documented and you cannot refute his points.



Ya think? And I build and remodel to make a living but should work for free. Scripture supports ministerial income. If God blessed JM to write books to the benefit of others then good.

Oh look at the hypocrisy applied here people.! Joseph Prince, Joyce Meyer and others are devils for making money on Books and are false teachers, but not old Johnny Mac, its OK for him because he writes truth and scripture supports ministerial income.

You sir also have nothing to corroborate your own slander against Prince, Meyer and other WOF heretics and wolves, I think is what you call them, save for home made you tube vids you say is truth.

I posted directly from JM 's web site for people to see what he thinks Lordship salvation is all about. You posted doctored you tube vids.

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