does evidence undermine religion?

JesusLives · Dec 3, 2015

My question to you would be do you believe in the Bible that God inspired men to write using the Holy Spirit to inspire these men?

If you answer yes then go and read Genesis chapter one and two and then read Exodus chapter 20 paying special attention to Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy... Why? You might ask.... Because it says that God created the heavens and the earth and man and everything there is.... and in Exodus 20 it is stated again that God created the heavens and the earth.

If you can't believe God who inspired the writing of the Bible then who can you believe?

JesusLives · Dec 3, 2015

One last post to the OP. God loved you so much He gave up His Son to die for you. None of us are worthy because we have all sinned every last person that has posted on this thread is in the same position, we all need a Savior because we are all sinners. When you come to God and give your heart and life over to Him the Holy Spirit works on your heart and you ask God to forgive you and repent and turn away from sinning with the Holy Spirits help. God has done everything for us so that we would not burn. God gives us everlasting life through Jesus His Son.

This is God's great love for us and the Bible explains the love and tells the story of how much God has done to save us. It is simple we either say yes to God or we say no to God. He has left that choice with us which will you choose?

PS I am not one that believes in an everlasting burning hell as in Malachi 4:3 it says the wicked will be ashes under our feet and you can't be burning and ashes walked on at the same time. I believe in everlasting destruction of the wicked not everlasting burning.

Magenta · Dec 3, 2015

Magenta said:

Look to Jesus Christ. He is the image of the unseen God. Examine your beliefs about Who He is, the origin of what you think, and why you think it. Keeping a journal may even be a good idea so you can better track any progressions or transformations of belief. Explore your ideas of spirituality. What is it to you? What things in life have affected you the most profoundly? As a mother and wife, no doubt it has been issues concerning giving birth, raising children, and love. Life is a miracle. Considering the human condition, love is a miracle. Do you agree? God loves you so much He sent His Son to take your place for the punishment we deserve as sinners. You seem to think you are a good person. How good do you think Jesus Christ was or is? (Christians know Him as being alive, the source of life, within Who we have our being etc, while non-believers generally tend to think of Him as deceased.) Have you ever wondered why He had to die? How much do you know about Him?

My apologies! I should have said father and husband, and not giving birth, but being part of the process

Reborn · Dec 3, 2015

noontheist said:

Budman said:

OMG = Oh MY god

I'm on my third bowl of cereal, patiently waiting.......and he still hasn't told us who his god is yet.

Magenta · Dec 3, 2015

Reborn said:

Am I alone in thinking that saying "Oh my God" is not blasphemy?

Dan_473 · Dec 3, 2015

Hi noontheist,

I take it from your username that you are a "non-theist"... what is your worldview?

Mec99 · Dec 3, 2015

Its either Eternity on the "New Earth" or Eternity in the Lake of Fire. We did not invent this, God created both places.

You can deny God and everything He has done but you will still by Judged by God. Those who accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior will spend Eternity on the New Earth. Those who have rejected Jesus will spend Eternity in the Lake of Fire.

The choice is yours to make.

Disbelieving in God, denying God is real, rejecting God make no difference, you will still be Judged by God for your acceptance or rejection of Jesus.

noontheist · Dec 3, 2015

I am sorry if anything I have said has offended anybody, that is not what I set out to do, I said very early on in this thread that I do believe a god created everything we see, that to me is obvious, I just struggle with everything else I have encountered in my life, my idea of god is a far superior being that must be eternal, but I also think that this being or god just gave us a chance, like many other species had theirs, I am probably not making much (if any) sense to you but 45 years of life experience has brought me to this conclusion, I also know I am not perfect but I know I have done my best with the cards I have been dealt, I am waffling now

Mec99 · Dec 3, 2015

You are making a lot of sense. Yes there is a God! God gave us and only us the ability to accept Him or reject Him. This has not been given to anything else.

Other species were created by God and were created sinless. They do not need a Savior because they cannot sin! Dogs, Cats, Lions, ants, ect, you name it, none of these can sin and none need a Savior!

You have not done your best with the cards you have been dealt! Do you really think your the only person to have suffered in this world?

If you really want to do the best thing you ever can do, get on your knees, confess your sins to Christ Jesus and accept Him into your Heart as your Lord and Savior!!!

“Dear Lord Jesus, I know I am a sinner, and I ask for your forgiveness. I believe you died for my sins and rose from the dead. I trust and follow you as my Lord and Savior. Guide my life and help me to do your will. In your name, Amen.”

Pray this and you will receive Salvation and you will be a Child of God!

Find a Christian Church in your area. Be among others who can help you in your walk with God.

Magenta · Dec 3, 2015

noontheist said:

You are making sense. I did not become a believer until I was 49! Do not be discouraged. Look to Jesus Christ. Read the gospel of John. Then read it again. Then read Romans.

http://biblehub.com/summary/john/1.htm
http://biblehub.com/summary/romans/1.htm

noontheist · Dec 3, 2015

Thank you to everyone who has not judged me on my words and tried to understand me, I have faith in human nature and that shines through brightly

Abing · Dec 3, 2015

noontheist said:

Now, we're talking. By the way, it wasn't personal but a warning for my friends here not to take you seriously as it was clear where the thread was heading. My friends were sincerely giving you what you asked for but, you were either ignoring them or laughing at them. Wasting our time on fruitless conversations, is, well, erm, fruitless.

But if you are here to know what Christians were made of, why we receive this 'gift' of salvation, why we need a Savior, what it's like having a Savior and living for Him, why we can have joy in the midst of trial and basically everything else, including stereotypes and doctrines that we ourselves still argue about; then, welcome to the club my friend.

I personally haven't studied evolution so I have nothing to contribute to that. I can however reply to the original topic, if evidence undermines religion. Maybe.

A true Christian has long since left religion - at least the systematic side of it. As cliche as it sounds, it still is true, Christianity is a lifestyle. But then again, we're always associated to the Catholic view of Christianity, no we're not followers of the Pope, hence, CHRISTian. With that said, when Jesus was healing on earth, in the new testament, you will see many times He told the people He healed, to not say a word about it. When He showed up after the 3rd day, He only showed up for the already believers. How easy would have been if He just went up to Ceasar and showed him His ressurected Self. Why didn't He do that? Although, this doesn't apply to everything (there are many, many evidences of God's existence, we can make another thread about it), it is worth considering before answering your question.

Adamb12 · Dec 3, 2015

I found out why 99% of christians dont know how the bible was put together. When I say put together, I mean how the 66 books were chosen out of 180+ books, letters,etc., and how they were orderred from Genisis to Revelations as well. The answer is so demoralizing. Why would God choose the Pope to be in charge of this project, and why didnt they show their work on why they felt God told them to pic this book and put it here? Can anyone help?

Tintin · Dec 4, 2015

Adamb12 said:

You've posted this same question in 10 different places on CC. That's not appropriate. Ask the question once and only once and then wait for a reply. If you're really seeking, you'll wait. Otherwise, you come across as a spammer.

Adamb12 · Dec 4, 2015

Sorry, Im new today. I just wanted to know why weve been lied too for so long my friend. It wont happen again. Love ya

Babylonisfalling · Dec 4, 2015

Abing said:

Now, we're talking. By the way, it wasn't personal but a warning for my friends here not to take you seriously as it was clear where the thread was heading. My friends were sincerely giving you what you asked for but, you were either ignoring them or laughing at them. Wasting our time on fruitless conversations, is, well, erm, fruitless.

But if you are here to know what Christians were made of, why we receive this 'gift' of salvation, why we need a Savior, what it's like having a Savior and living for Him, why we can have joy in the midst of trial and basically everything else, including stereotypes and doctrines that we ourselves still argue about; then, welcome to the club my friend.

I personally haven't studied evolution so I have nothing to contribute to that. I can however reply to the original topic, if evidence undermines religion. Maybe.

A true Christian has long since left religion <<---That's not necessarily a good thing- at least the systematic side of it. As cliche as it sounds, it still is true, Christianity is a lifestyle. But then again, we're always associated to the Catholic view of Christianity, no we're not followers of the Pope, hence, CHRISTian. With that said, when Jesus was healing on earth, in the new testament, you will see many times He told the people He healed, to not say a word about it. When He showed up after the 3rd day, He only showed up for the already believers. How easy would have been if He just went up to Ceasar and showed him His ressurected Self. Why didn't He do that? Although, this doesn't apply to everything (there are many, many evidences of God's existence, we can make another thread about it), it is worth considering before answering your question.

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, [and] to keep himself unspotted from the world.

kedge · Dec 4, 2015

Adamb12 said:

Interesting, 180+ books and letters you say? I have recentley heard that religious writings and stories similar to the Bible existed before Genesis was written and that Moses perhaps took inspiration from those earlier religious texts?, i'm still researching this myself.

Brother_Don · Dec 4, 2015

noontheist said:

To finish off this thread I wish I had never started, I would just like to ask a short question,
I have been married for nearly 20 years, I have 4 wonderful children, I have never been in trouble with the law, I have never hurt anybody, I have always worked hard for my family, I am loyal and trustworthy, I think a lot about this, here is the question .. why am I not worthy in your eyes?

Actually none of us are worthy, then comes Jesus.

Tintin · Dec 4, 2015

kedge said:

It's a load of bunk. Zeitgeist has the kind of scholarship you'd find in a tabloid. And by that I mean it's pig's manure.

prove-all · Dec 4, 2015

valiant said:

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God,
so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God
must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

(For we walk by faith, not by sight)

Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

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