Does God Create People Today?

[Depleted]

This isn't what I'm asking. I want to know if He knows us before we are formed in the womb. Surely He must know who of us will accept Him and be called His children..

God knows everything.

He knows where the next dust particle will fall. He knows what it's made from. He knows what the atoms in it came from before it became merely dust.

He knows that annoying robin that woke you up at 4 AM. He knows that robin's brothers, sisters, father, mother, great-great-great-great-great grandfather on its great-great-grandmothers side. He knows that robin chirping in Thorofare, NJ. He knows the robin in Leed, England.

He knows Attila the Hun's mother's SIL's aunt's brother. He knows the time that guy accidentally kicked something and bruised his toe.

He knows when the next sun spot is going to blast off the sun. He knows the first sun spot that blasted off the sun. He knows what he lit earth with in those three days before he made the sun.

He knows the furthest planet from here, and when that planets next dust particle will fall.

He could tell me how many times I've gone to the bathroom in my life, and how many more times I will go.

He can easily answer every question he asked Job, and in three-part harmony, because he can answer it for that particular day, for all the days before it and all the days after it. He knows what the unicorn was.

God knows everything about everything always to the extent that he is outside time and space, and therefore it is all happening to him at once... sorta, in a no-time-and-space kind of way.

Not only does he know it, he meant it to happen exactly how it is happening. He knows who will chose him because he elected them to do so.

 

[blue_ladybug]

But who is to say, definitively, that we are NOT spirits in heaven, just waiting for God to choose us to get born to specific people? Like Bruce said, there's alot that the bible doesn't speak on flat out. Jesus was chosen specifically for Mary, and Cain and Abel to Eve. And back then there probably weren't as many baby names as there are today, so how did Eve come up with Cain and Abel as names for her sons? Maybe because God gave her an inkling to call them by those names, just as He did with telling Mary that her baby's name was to be called Jesus. Just a thought..

 

[stonesoffire]

This came to mind...

~Ecc 3:19　 For what happens to people also happens to animals—a single event happens to them: just as someone dies, so does the other. In fact, they all breathe the same way, so that a human being has no superiority over an animal. All of this is pointless.　
Ecc 3:20　 All of them go to one place: all of them originate from dust, and all of them return to dust.　
Ecc 3:21　 Who knows whether the spirit of human beings ascends, and whether the spirit of animals descends to the earth?　
Ecc 3:22　 I concluded that it is worthwhile for people to find joy in their accomplishments, because that is their inheritance, since who can see what will exist after them?　

Maybe we should ask a Rabbi?

Wait a sec...we do know Jesus came down from heaven...and He told us we will go there...Hes building places for us.

 

[stonesoffire]

Gotta watch that devil getting into the details.

 

[Grace777x70]

KNOW

To "know" us does not mean we are spirits in heaven before we are born.

God is omniscient, meaning he knows all things... everything that IS happening, and everything that WILL happen.

We can dig out verses on this, but basically, when God says he "knows" us before birth, it just means we exist in his mind... he knows who we are, and what we are, before we are born... in his mind.

The word "know" is also used in the sense to know intimately - like Adam knew his Eve. Ginosko is a Greek word which means "to know experientially". I'll have to look the verse up in the Septuagint to see what Greek word is used just for the fun of it.

What you said in brown above is your own thoughts on the matter or do you have some scripture that backs this up? I find the theory interesting about "being" before we are actually born - whether in God's mind only as you have said or as a spirit only that was with God. Thanks.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Thank you, Lynn. This is probably one of the best answers I've gotten so far. lol

God knows everything.

He knows where the next dust particle will fall. He knows what it's made from. He knows what the atoms in it came from before it became merely dust.

He knows that annoying robin that woke you up at 4 AM. He knows that robin's brothers, sisters, father, mother, great-great-great-great-great grandfather on its great-great-grandmothers side. He knows that robin chirping in Thorofare, NJ. He knows the robin in Leed, England.

He knows Attila the Hun's mother's SIL's aunt's brother. He knows the time that guy accidentally kicked something and bruised his toe.

He knows when the next sun spot is going to blast off the sun. He knows the first sun spot that blasted off the sun. He knows what he lit earth with in those three days before he made the sun.

He knows the furthest planet from here, and when that planets next dust particle will fall.

He could tell me how many times I've gone to the bathroom in my life, and how many more times I will go.

He can easily answer every question he asked Job, and in three-part harmony, because he can answer it for that particular day, for all the days before it and all the days after it. He knows what the unicorn was.

God knows everything about everything always to the extent that he is outside time and space, and therefore it is all happening to him at once... sorta, in a no-time-and-space kind of way.

Not only does he know it, he meant it to happen exactly how it is happening. He knows who will chose him because he elected them to do so.

 

[maxwel]

But who is to say, definitively, that we are NOT spirits in heaven, just waiting for God to choose us to get born to specific people? Like Bruce said, there's alot that the bible doesn't speak on flat out. Jesus was chosen specifically for Mary, and Cain and Abel to Eve. And back then there probably weren't as many baby names as there are today, so how did Eve come up with Cain and Abel as names for her sons? Maybe because God gave her an inkling to call them by those names, just as He did with telling Mary that her baby's name was to be called Jesus. Just a thought..

Blue,
We certainly CAN do a biblical study on this.

It is not a thing about which we cannot form a solid Biblical understanding.

So yes, we can study these things out.



I'm sure many people here can help you sort this out biblically and scripturally.
I only came into this thread to deal quickly with what appeared to be some logic and semantic issues.
I had no idea you were actually concerned about this issue of "spirit babies".

I'm sure lots of people here can dig out the scriptures, and help you sort this.
I need to get back to work.
If you don't get answers, I'll make some posts here in the next couple of days.

Take care,
Max

 

[blue_ladybug]

But when the bible says that "Adam knew his wife", I always took that to mean they had sexual relations. So that's different from, say for example, God knowing you before you were born and whispering in your mother's ear to name you Bruce. LOL

The word "know" is also used in the sense to know intimately - like Adam knew his Eve. Ginosko is a Greek word which means "to know experientially". I'll have to look the verse up in the Septuagint to see what Greek word is used just for the fun of it.

What you said in brown above is your own thoughts on the matter or do you have some scripture that backs this up? I find the theory interesting about "being" before we are actually born - whether in God's mind only as you have said or as a spirit only that was with God. Thanks.

 

[Grace777x70]

I personally think whether we were a spirit before in God's presence or He knew us in His mind but we really had no substance is irrelevant to living today on this earth and there are many things we will find out when it's time when we are with the Lord.

In the meantime - Repent you bunch of heathens!....or the earth will open up and swallow you...lol

In real life - let's learn about the love and grace of our Lord Jesus Christ for us and the fact that we have a good, good, Father who loves us dearly and that we are His beloved children.

 

[Depleted]

For those of you who do not know, the original conversation took place with an atheist who was complaining about God's omniscience informing Him of the consequence of sin that was not repented. In other words, I was explaining the difference between being born of the flesh, and the need to be born again of the Spirit of God in order to attain to life ever after.

Blue, after all your bitter complaints of people creating threads and calling people out, I truly have to wonder what you are really up to here, for if you simply wanted to know what I meant you could have asked me, instead of trying to get answers from people who do not even know the context of the original conversation, which you also failed to provide. Or you could have asked and left my name out of the conversation. At any rate the end result is the same, and I am left questioning your motives, and not for the first time.

Since Blue has failed to provide the context for my statement, and phrased my giving of it improperly, it may give the wrong impression. The context being a conversation with an atheist who was not understanding why everyone does not have their name written in the book of life.


"Not created by God" as Adam and Eve were, but born by natural means, in the flesh, after the fashion of the fallen Adam, in need of Spiritual rebirth.

I wish I'd be "called out" like this more often. That means someone thought of something I said and found it interesting enough to seek other's opinions to learn more about it.

Magenta, this is why I have you ignored. You do this all the time. Miles and miles of sweetness about you and then a burning jab like this over something you perceive to be against you even before you figure out if it really is. And once you decide someone is against you -- whether the person is or isn't -- you will forever hold onto that perceived attack and toss it in their face time and time again.

Little do you know, for you shall refuse to see, you keep doing that to people while most people are still trying to figure out what they ever said that was wrong to begin with.

I came back to un-ignore your post after seeing Blue try to reconcile something -- twice -- with you when she didn't even do anything wrong. She found something you said interesting so she is asking what others think. A high compliment, and yet, now she has to defend herself for daring the compliment.

And what does she get in return? According to your history, you'll kind of forgive her somewhere along this thread, without ever realizing there is no need to be forgiven, since Blue didn't do anything wrong. And then later on, you'll try to make it right again with her. And then the next time you get in one of these moods, you'll bring it right back to here, except you'll be the only one who remembers why, and Blue will be forever perplexed why you have declared she is no one anyone should ever listen to again.

I know this because you did the same thing with me, and I saw you do the same thing with others.

You've had people banned from this site for this kind of mood.

This is a darkness you have. Until you get this, this scenario will repeat again and again with you always so sure you're in the right and everyone turns on you for no reason.

There is reason. THIS!

 

[Grace777x70]

But when the bible says that "Adam knew his wife", I always took that to mean they had sexual relations. So that's different from, say for example, God knowing you before you were born and whispering in your mother's ear to name you Bruce. LOL

Yep!...Eve was real and existed when Adam was "knowing" her....

 

[Depleted]

Acts 17:27
For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

Yay! You're back! Are you (new) home yet?

 

[Depleted]

If we're going to ask a question based on the word "created"... we need to define the world.

It can mean different things, and be used in different ways.

Examples:

A. God can create a universe out of nothingness

B. God can create a living being (Adam) out of the inorganic elements of the earth

C. I can create a chair out of wood, a substance which is fully formed, and entirely ready to be used by man.

D. I can something "indirectly" by hiring contractors to build a house... in one sense I "created" it, and in another sense I did not.

E. I can also create abstract ideas, which aren't physical at all, and write them down.



* There are many ways we use the word "create."

* There is also a distinction between words like "created", "formed", and "made".


We can't argue about whether or not something is "created" until we first decide upon precisely what "created" means.
In what way are we choosing to use that word?

If we don't define how we're using the word... we're all arguing about a lot of nothing.


And yes, this IS how proper theology is done.

Do you have a Communications degree? You really sound like me, with all your love for semantics, sometimes. (I love semantics -- real definition, not the one used today.) I'm asking if that is the connection.

 

[FreeNChrist]

God knows everything.

He knows where the next dust particle will fall. He knows what it's made from. He knows what the atoms in it came from before it became merely dust.

He knows that annoying robin that woke you up at 4 AM. He knows that robin's brothers, sisters, father, mother, great-great-great-great-great grandfather on its great-great-grandmothers side. He knows that robin chirping in Thorofare, NJ. He knows the robin in Leed, England.

He knows Attila the Hun's mother's SIL's aunt's brother. He knows the time that guy accidentally kicked something and bruised his toe.

He knows when the next sun spot is going to blast off the sun. He knows the first sun spot that blasted off the sun. He knows what he lit earth with in those three days before he made the sun.

He knows the furthest planet from here, and when that planets next dust particle will fall.

He could tell me how many times I've gone to the bathroom in my life, and how many more times I will go.

He can easily answer every question he asked Job, and in three-part harmony, because he can answer it for that particular day, for all the days before it and all the days after it. He knows what the unicorn was.

God knows everything about everything always to the extent that he is outside time and space, and therefore it is all happening to him at once... sorta, in a no-time-and-space kind of way.

Not only does he know it, he meant it to happen exactly how it is happening. He knows who will chose Him because He sees it happening in His eternal "now".

I fixed that for ya.

 

[dcontroversal]

The body comes by natural birth processes. The question is whether the spirit of each man is individually created by God, or whether He has another way of incorporating the non material spirit,

No question at all bro...

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

 

[Depleted]

When I was in the Mormon church, that's what they believe. That we are spirits before we are born, and through our free will we can choose our path in life before it even starts. Makes sense to the simple mind, or maybe just to me because I HAVE a simple mind.. lol

Serious question: Don't you think my mind is pretty simple?

I don't get that at all. Looks too complex.

 

[FreeNChrist]

I had a thought. Weren't we all created in Adam when He was created?? In him was the seed of humanity that would bring forth every human life. Weren't we already there along with all the human race?

 

[blue_ladybug]

It's okay, Lynn. I didn't take offense. And I've never said that people MUST listen to my opinions or advice. Just let it go..

I wish I'd be "called out" like this more often. That means someone thought of something I said and found it interesting enough to seek other's opinions to learn more about it.

Magenta, this is why I have you ignored. You do this all the time. Miles and miles of sweetness about you and then a burning jab like this over something you perceive to be against you even before you figure out if it really is. And once you decide someone is against you -- whether the person is or isn't -- you will forever hold onto that perceived attack and toss it in their face time and time again.

Little do you know, for you shall refuse to see, you keep doing that to people while most people are still trying to figure out what they ever said that was wrong to begin with.

I came back to un-ignore your post after seeing Blue try to reconcile something -- twice -- with you when she didn't even do anything wrong. She found something you said interesting so she is asking what others think. A high compliment, and yet, now she has to defend herself for daring the compliment.

And what does she get in return? According to your history, you'll kind of forgive her somewhere along this thread, without ever realizing there is no need to be forgiven, since Blue didn't do anything wrong. And then later on, you'll try to make it right again with her. And then the next time you get in one of these moods, you'll bring it right back to here, except you'll be the only one who remembers why, and Blue will be forever perplexed why you have declared she is no one anyone should ever listen to again.

I know this because you did the same thing with me, and I saw you do the same thing with others.

You've had people banned from this site for this kind of mood.

This is a darkness you have. Until you get this, this scenario will repeat again and again with you always so sure you're in the right and everyone turns on you for no reason.

There is reason. THIS!

 

[stonesoffire]

You mean his literal seed being passed along?

 

[Grace777x70]

No question at all bro...

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Now the plot thickens. "The spirit shall return unto God who gave it."

Ecclesiastes 12:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.