Does God Kill People in the New Covenant?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Nauga

Active member
Jun 7, 2018
117
30
28
#1
Ananias and Saphira lied and died. Herod died and worms burst out of him. The question is....Did the God who came that we might have LIFE, actually kill anyone in this dispensation of Grace?
1 Timothy 6:13
I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who testified the good confession before Pontius Pilate

Or do God's own people know him so little that they actually accuse Him of something somebody else did? Namely the devil. The thief.

He said clearly;Matthew 20:28

Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Does it make sense to you that He would lay down His life for you then kill the one He dies for?
 

JaumeJ

Senior Member
Jul 2, 2011
21,226
6,525
113
#2
Although the wording may sound as though God "kills" He takes life to Himself, taking back His breath and holds many in abeyance until the time of judgment then the second death......Remember when we die int this age we god to sleep in the dust until the resurrection...
 

mcubed

Senior Member
Dec 20, 2013
1,449
218
63
#3
Well, YES G-D KILLS PEOPLE IN THE NEW COVENANT!!! Do you not realize anyone NOT SAVED GOES TO HELL?

Not very "christian" is it.... but it's TRUE!

Should get as many saved sa you can, while you can!!!
 

TMS

Senior Member
Mar 21, 2015
3,525
1,051
113
Australia
#4
God does not change, old or new testement, God is the same, a God of LOVE. When God flooded the world and many died, when did their probation close? God gave everyone a chance to go into the safe place that He provided before sending the rain. Everyone has probation and when it closes we are ether lost or saved. The same thing today we have a chance to be safe in Jesus before our probation closes. When Jesus comes the second time, sadly many will die, and each one He has given His blood for, but He can't force them to accept the gift.
Joh_5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Rom_8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
 

Nehemiah6

Senior Member
Jul 18, 2017
24,287
12,834
113
#5
Ananias and Saphira lied and died. Herod died and worms burst out of him. The question is....Did the God who came that we might have LIFE, actually kill anyone in this dispensation of Grace?
Life and eternal life are for those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and live righteously, soberly and godly in this present world under the grace of God. But "there is a sin unto death" (premature physical death).
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. (1 John 5:16,17)
Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. (James 5:19,20).

Christians who persist in sin and fail to give heed to the Holy Spirit can die before their time. Christians who fail to examine themselves and remain unrepentant do face death before their time. Their salvation is always secure but they may lose all their rewards.
 

Danny1988

Active member
Jun 24, 2018
410
124
43
#6
Ananias and Saphira lied and died. Herod died and worms burst out of him. The question is....Did the God who came that we might have LIFE, actually kill anyone in this dispensation of Grace?
1 Timothy 6:13
I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who testified the good confession before Pontius Pilate

Or do God's own people know him so little that they actually accuse Him of something somebody else did? Namely the devil. The thief.

He said clearly;Matthew 20:28

Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Does it make sense to you that He would lay down His life for you then kill the one He dies for?
Once you accept the Biblical fact that Jesus didn't die for everyone, then you can make sense of the above verses. But if you hold to the heretical teaching that He died for everyone, then the Gospel is foolishness and it makes no sense.
 

Nauga

Active member
Jun 7, 2018
117
30
28
#7
Once you accept the Biblical fact that Jesus didn't die for everyone, then you can make sense of the above verses. But if you hold to the heretical teaching that He died for everyone, then the Gospel is foolishness and it makes no sense.
Once you agree with the Bible and realize that Jesus died for everyone...You will understand the Word. So....Show where Jesus did not die for everyone....
Mark 8:34
And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Revelation 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
John 5:22-24 (KJV)
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

So...There are three verses for you to start you off. Now! You give me one verse, just one verse that tells me that Jesus did not come to save ALL people.
Put up or shut up.
 

Nauga

Active member
Jun 7, 2018
117
30
28
#8
Although the wording may sound as though God "kills" He takes life to Himself, taking back His breath and holds many in abeyance until the time of judgment then the second death......Remember when we die int this age we god to sleep in the dust until the resurrection...
So then...the gifts of God are without repentance is not true then. Is that what you are saying?
 

Nauga

Active member
Jun 7, 2018
117
30
28
#9
Well, YES G-D KILLS PEOPLE IN THE NEW COVENANT!!! Do you not realize anyone NOT SAVED GOES TO HELL?

Not very "christian" is it.... but it's TRUE!

Should get as many saved sa you can, while you can!!!
So you're saying God sends them to hell....Interesting...Those people reject God...reject life, so they choose death if they are rejecting life. They choose to reject God and choose to follow their father the devil, into hell....they have free will which God by His own laws cannot take from them.....And God sent them to hell, killed them. It looks more like suicide to me.
 

Nauga

Active member
Jun 7, 2018
117
30
28
#10
God does not change, old or new testement, God is the same, a God of LOVE. When God flooded the world and many died, when did their probation close? God gave everyone a chance to go into the safe place that He provided before sending the rain. Everyone has probation and when it closes we are ether lost or saved. The same thing today we have a chance to be safe in Jesus before our probation closes. When Jesus comes the second time, sadly many will die, and each one He has given His blood for, but He can't force them to accept the gift.
Joh_5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Rom_8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
God does not change but His covenants have differences....And the New Covenant IS different from the Old.
So the question remains...Does God kill in the New Testament?

For your information, the only humans killed in the Old Testament were the ones who chose demonic idols when Moses brought the tablets off the mountain. I cannot think of any more than them. Can you.
 

Nauga

Active member
Jun 7, 2018
117
30
28
#11
Life and eternal life are for those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and live righteously, soberly and godly in this present world under the grace of God. But "there is a sin unto death" (premature physical death).
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. (1 John 5:16,17)
Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. (James 5:19,20).

Christians who persist in sin and fail to give heed to the Holy Spirit can die before their time. Christians who fail to examine themselves and remain unrepentant do face death before their time. Their salvation is always secure but they may lose all their rewards.
I can accept that, but, does God kill them. Or....
 

mcubed

Senior Member
Dec 20, 2013
1,449
218
63
#12
So you're saying God sends them to hell....Interesting...Those people reject God...reject life, so they choose death if they are rejecting life. They choose to reject God and choose to follow their father the devil, into hell....they have free will which God by His own laws cannot take from them.....And God sent them to hell, killed them. It looks more like suicide to me.
What ever... That sounds good; honestly it does... I would probably even say something like that to get people saved... But the real deal is G-d set up salvation before the foundations of the world and He is not a lier.... You don't get saved you go to hell. He gave us Moses, He gave us the prophets, He gave us His very Self in the flesh!!! G-d is the Master of all of this.... Yes, we have free will, we choose hell, but G-d is the one who set it all up. And He is loving because He has waited and probably will wait centuries more to return because He does not want anyone to perish! But ultimately G-d is G-d and when He opens His Books if someones name is not written in the Book of Life He will cast them into hell, by their choice when they were alive on Earth.
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
24,617
13,345
113
#13
Once you accept the Biblical fact that Jesus didn't die for everyone, then you can make sense of the above verses. But if you hold to the heretical teaching that He died for everyone, then the Gospel is foolishness and it makes no sense.
Heretical? Wow. Do you call everything your pastor disagrees with 'heretical'?
 

Iconoclast

Senior Member
May 27, 2017
749
186
43
#14
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
 

Nauga

Active member
Jun 7, 2018
117
30
28
#15
What ever... That sounds good; honestly it does... I would probably even say something like that to get people saved... But the real deal is G-d set up salvation before the foundations of the world and He is not a lier.... You don't get saved you go to hell. He gave us Moses, He gave us the prophets, He gave us His very Self in the flesh!!! G-d is the Master of all of this.... Yes, we have free will, we choose hell, but G-d is the one who set it all up. And He is loving because He has waited and probably will wait centuries more to return because He does not want anyone to perish! But ultimately G-d is G-d and when He opens His Books if someones name is not written in the Book of Life He will cast them into hell, by their choice when they were alive on Earth.
So you throw somebody a life preserver when they are drowning...They refuse for some idiotic reason, and they drown...Why did you drown them? Why did you not tell them that they could drown? Why didn't you drain the lake so they would not drown? Its all your fault they died... Does my judgment make sense? None at all...The person refused life when they refused the life preserver...God made hell, the lake of fire for Satan and his demons. If you choose to follow Satan, there is NO PLACE ELSE FOR YOU TO GO!! God is life...You refuse life? God is truth, you refuse truth? The choice was yours and yours alone...God does not send anyone to hell....Stop blaming Him. We humans are the masters of our own destiny...That's what freedom of choiceis.
 

mcubed

Senior Member
Dec 20, 2013
1,449
218
63
#17
So you throw somebody a life preserver when they are drowning...They refuse for some idiotic reason, and they drown...Why did you drown them? Why did you not tell them that they could drown? Why didn't you drain the lake so they would not drown? Its all your fault they died... Does my judgment make sense? None at all...The person refused life when they refused the life preserver...God made hell, the lake of fire for Satan and his demons. If you choose to follow Satan, there is NO PLACE ELSE FOR YOU TO GO!! God is life...You refuse life? God is truth, you refuse truth? The choice was yours and yours alone...God does not send anyone to hell....Stop blaming Him. We humans are the masters of our own destiny...That's what freedom of choiceis.

Ok... If you do not want to think G-d created the rules for heaven and hell... Tell me did people?
 

OneFaith

Senior Member
Sep 5, 2016
2,270
369
83
#18
Ananias and Saphira lied and died. Herod died and worms burst out of him. The question is....Did the God who came that we might have LIFE, actually kill anyone in this dispensation of Grace?
1 Timothy 6:13
I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who testified the good confession before Pontius Pilate

Or do God's own people know him so little that they actually accuse Him of something somebody else did? Namely the devil. The thief.

He said clearly;Matthew 20:28

Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Does it make sense to you that He would lay down His life for you then kill the one He dies for?

Jesus died for the entire world, even while they were yet sinners. However, just as the snake was raised in the desert, each person must come to Christ in order to receive His life-saving blood. Jesus said wide is the road that leads to destruction, and most enter through it, but narrow is the road that leads to life, and few find it. Therefore, even though Christ died for everyone, it is up to everyone to come to Him to have their sins washed away.

So let's narrow this down...

The worst people in the world (never-repentant murderers, kidnappers, rapists, etc) will they be saved? No. What about people who are kind but do not believe (athiests)? No. What about those who believe in God but refuse to go to church? No. What about those who believe in God, go to church faithfully, but live worldly outside of church? No. What about those who are faithful whether they are in church or not, they carry their cross daily and follow Christ, even to the point of death? Yes- only these few.

Therefore, Christians might be God's people, but not all of God's people will be saved- only those who do the Will of the Father- which is to obey the Son. So yes, God can kill early those who He knows will not make it to heaven- such as Ananias, and Saphira. Many are called to be Christians, but of them only a few are chosen for heaven. God called His people (the israélites) out of Egypt. But of the 600,000+ of them, only two were saved. "Many are called, but few are chosen."

"If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?"
 
T

theanointedsinner

Guest
#19
The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal spiritual life through Jesus (Romans 6:23-24)
 

mcubed

Senior Member
Dec 20, 2013
1,449
218
63
#20
Jesus died for the entire world, even while they were yet sinners. However, just as the snake was raised in the desert, each person must come to Christ in order to receive His life-saving blood. Jesus said wide is the road that leads to destruction, and most enter through it, but narrow is the road that leads to life, and few find it. Therefore, even though Christ died for everyone, it is up to everyone to come to Him to have their sins washed away.

So let's narrow this down...

The worst people in the world (never-repentant murderers, kidnappers, rapists, etc) will they be saved? No. What about people who are kind but do not believe (athiests)? No. What about those who believe in God but refuse to go to church? No. What about those who believe in God, go to church faithfully, but live worldly outside of church? No. What about those who are faithful whether they are in church or not, they carry their cross daily and follow Christ, even to the point of death? Yes- only these few.

Therefore, Christians might be God's people, but not all of God's people will be saved- only those who do the Will of the Father- which is to obey the Son. So yes, God can kill early those who He knows will not make it to heaven- such as Ananias, and Saphira. Many are called to be Christians, but of them only a few are chosen for heaven. God called His people (the israélites) out of Egypt. But of the 600,000+ of them, only two were saved. "Many are called, but few are chosen."

"If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?"
Who are those that do the will of the Father? Tell me about them... Are you?... If so what do you do/don't do?.... I want to get to heaven....