Does God Lie?

[Angela53510]

Just as long as you realize that this post is merely your opinion. Opinions only matter to the person that owns it. Now you are on my ignore list because to my understanding all you want to do is fight and bully. I don't have to do either. I don't believe a word you say. I'll only believe what I read in the Word.

My last post was about hermeneutics, which is how to correctly divide the Word. If you don't want to believe what I am saying, look it up! I'm not saying anything that has been known for centuries. Many here understand how to correctly divide the Word, which you do not!

As far as all the Scriptures I have posted in context, you have yet to refute them. The fact that you put me in ignore tells me you are highly convicted by the truth of what I have posted. Which really was nothing to do with me, but just the Bible convicting you of your false doctrines.

As far as what you have done, attacking the OP with your false doctrine, it is inexcusable. Word Faith people are crazy fanatics. Well, when you or someone you love gets sick and doesn't get healed, the God will bring his Word back to confront you. I just hope you do not end up dead, like my friend Nydia, who decided to claim healing from breast cancer, and died when her "name it and claim it" doctrine failed her, because it was a lie from the pit of hell!

 

[Ella85]

No he does not lie and yes...sometimes the answer is no....I have a severely handicapped child who is now 21, disabled and cannot take care of himself, I have also lost two children as well to the same disease he carries "congential myotonic dystrophy"

I prayed 9 months that "booger" would be healthy and when He was born 3 weeks early, gray, not breathing and spent 6 months in the neo-natal intensive care unit and lost half his small bowel to a 580 degree mal-rotation, has had 12 surgeries, 6 blood infections that almost killed him and has struggled almost every day of his life...make no mistake as I have asked numerous times why?

I had moved to change my life, quit drugs, was faithful in church, attending 3 times a week, going to bible college to make up for lost time, giving 25% of my income to my church, teaching, preaching and witnessing to every person I could witness to.....and I did not understand why......I still do not understand why and I would be lying if I did not say that I stumbled in my walk after David Paul was born.....with a broken spirit, broken heart I wept, begged, cried, plead unto the Lord thinking it was my fault....thinking I had done something wrong.....

David Paul loves the Lord, "plays church" knows the way, sings biblical songs and in a strange way has been spared from the world by his disability.....sometimes, yea many times we do not understand, nor will we until the day we stand before the Lord.....

Christ's strength is made complete in our weakness....and he seeks for us to just simply trust him........

you're blessed that's why

 

[preacher4truth]

Ridiculous to say such a thing. When did faith in the very Words of God become a different gospel?

That's just asinine but what you've said is actually ridiculous.

No one said the very words of God became a different Gospel, now did they? That's right, no one said that, so you're arguing a straw man and are thus being deceitful, disingenuous and are in fact bearing false witness.

It is what a person says the words of God mean that make it a different gospel, thus what Denadii says distorts the Gospel, and is therefore another gospel, and a false gospel.

He preaches a gospel (WoF) the world loves; of personal healing, self, covetousness, material gain (the same message preached to Jesus in the wilderness mind you i.e. Matthew 4).

The true Gospel is an offense; Galatians 5:11. Instead of this Denadii's gospel is pleasing to the flesh, alluring, sensual, materialistic and to the world is non-offensive because it is the same gospel preached to Jesus in the wilderness; an appeal to the flesh and self.

I take it you also approve of his gospel. Yes, indeed you do.

 

[Desdichado]

Hmmm. Almost sounds like paganism.

Instead of this Denadii's gospel is pleasing to the flesh, alluring, sensual, materialistic and to the world is non-offensive because it is the same gospel preached to Jesus in the wilderness; an appeal to the flesh and self.

 

[Denadii]

Hmmm. Almost sounds like paganism.

Only to those who won't believe the Word as it is written.

 

[preacher4truth]

Only to those who won't believe the Word as it is written.

And this is another false accusation and a misnomer.

We believe the Word as written, and brother Des is included in this obviously as he is solid.

But the irony here is in this: it isn't belief in what the Word says that is the test, it is in understanding what the Word means that is the true test (1 Corinthians 2:14), and frankly you fail that test time and again with your false gospel message of self and gain.

 

[Denadii]

And this is another false accusation and a misnomer.

We believe the Word as written, and brother Des is included in this obviously as he is solid.

But the irony here is in this: it isn't belief in what the Word says that is the test, it is in understanding what the Word means that is the true test (1 Corinthians 2:14), and frankly you fail that test time and again with your false gospel message of self and gain.

So I show you the word as it is written and I'm preaching another gospel If that's the case then YOU LIE. YOU presume to tell God what HE means. Do you really think that God cannot say what He means? Or mean what He says?

 

[dcontroversal]

you're blessed that's why

AMEN and I agree "Ella"

 

[mcubed]

No. simple as that G-d does not lie.
I do not say this lightly. I am a type 1 diabetic my son is autistic. I personally have been through the gamut on healing. About 20 years ago I got mad at G-d for not healing now. That did not turn out well for me after I was done with this faith “stuff” and lived how I wanted for a few years, I went back with my tail between my legs and repented. For those wondering, I never lost my salvation, but if you would have seen me in the bar you would have thought so. Although, if you would have seen me we would be talking if you lost yours too…lol. So, life got bad, I repented. The kingdom is the here and the now and the not yet. "This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, 'Know the LORD,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more." Jeremiah 31:33 is the here and the now, while v.34 is the not yet. I have a sister who was healed of cancer, in her lymphatic system, I have another sister whose son dies at 7 years old. I am still type 1 diabetic and my son is still autistic. I have sisters and a brother who are health and their children are “perfect”.

See, the Bible says the rain will fall on the just and the unjust. Meaning, life happens on life’s terms. So, what about G-d? I trust Him. He is real, His Word is true. I do the practical. I put 30% of my monthly paycheck into my son’s trust account so he will have money when I move home, yet at the same time I pry he moves home before me so I will know he will be home. And I want to be the one to live with the pain of death not him. But I tell Daddy, you know all things our lives are written out before you so You need to take care of this because I can’t. and I know He will. My Daddy can heal me if He wants to for over 37 years He has chosen not to, but He keeps me. And I will keep trusting Him to keep me good or heal me which ever He sees fit. I don’t quite know how to say it. But this is how I see it. He knew my desease and my son’s disorder before we were born. So, we are is responsibility to either heal us or keep us under His care until we move home then we will have glorified biddies, then it will be all good. if we get healed in the here in now GREAT if it’s in heave GREAT.

 

[tourist]

Where did God, just once in the bible say no to someone who needed healing? By Jesus stripes you WERE healed. Believe it!! You have the faith of Jesus. Use it.

From my own personal experience I would say that often more than not the person in need of healing is not healed in their physical lifetime regardless of their faith. Regardless, one day they will be healed of all physical infirmities.

 

[Denadii]

From my own personal experience I would say that often more than not the person in need of healing is not healed in their physical lifetime regardless of their faith. Regardless, one day they will be healed of all physical infirmities.

Its in believing that we see.

 

[tourist]

Its in believing that we see.

I spent years watching my late wife die from a severe debilitating illness. She had the greatest faith in Jesus that I have ever seen. She prayed many times for healing along with me and her family. After awhile her family ridiculed her faith because she was still not healed. I witnessed very cruel treatment of her by her family for something that was simply not true. Her healing will take place in the next life as it is true for most people of great faith. It's not a matter of believing, as she believed she would be healed and I believed she would be healed, it's a matter of trust in the Lord to rely on His judgement as to the right time for healing to occur. Despite her great pain and suffering God used her as a witness to others that were hurting. She performed a mighty work for the Lord. She believed then and she believes now and one day we will see and experience the true healing of power of God.

 

[pottersclay]

No. simple as that G-d does not lie.
I do not say this lightly. I am a type 1 diabetic my son is autistic. I personally have been through the gamut on healing. About 20 years ago I got mad at G-d for not healing now. That did not turn out well for me after I was done with this faith “stuff” and lived how I wanted for a few years, I went back with my tail between my legs and repented. For those wondering, I never lost my salvation, but if you would have seen me in the bar you would have thought so. Although, if you would have seen me we would be talking if you lost yours too…lol. So, life got bad, I repented. The kingdom is the here and the now and the not yet. "This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, 'Know the LORD,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more." Jeremiah 31:33 is the here and the now, while v.34 is the not yet. I have a sister who was healed of cancer, in her lymphatic system, I have another sister whose son dies at 7 years old. I am still type 1 diabetic and my son is still autistic. I have sisters and a brother who are health and their children are “perfect”.

See, the Bible says the rain will fall on the just and the unjust. Meaning, life happens on life’s terms. So, what about G-d? I trust Him. He is real, His Word is true. I do the practical. I put 30% of my monthly paycheck into my son’s trust account so he will have money when I move home, yet at the same time I pry he moves home before me so I will know he will be home. And I want to be the one to live with the pain of death not him. But I tell Daddy, you know all things our lives are written out before you so You need to take care of this because I can’t. and I know He will. My Daddy can heal me if He wants to for over 37 years He has chosen not to, but He keeps me. And I will keep trusting Him to keep me good or heal me which ever He sees fit. I don’t quite know how to say it. But this is how I see it. He knew my desease and my son’s disorder before we were born. So, we are is responsibility to either heal us or keep us under His care until we move home then we will have glorified biddies, then it will be all good. if we get healed in the here in now GREAT if it’s in heave GREAT.

What must I do to have a glorified biddy? What is a glorified biddy? Is it scriptural?

 

[OneFaith]

I'm lost here. Where does the bible say that God says "NO" to our requests? I've never seen that

I have seen this however....
2 Corinthians 1:19-21 (CJB)

[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the Son of God, the Messiah Yeshua, who was proclaimed among you through us — that is, through me and Sila and Timothy — was not a yes-and-no man; on the contrary, with him it is always “Yes!” [SUP]20 [/SUP]For however many promises God has made, they all find their “Yes” in connection with him; that is why it is through him that we say the “Amen” when we give glory to God. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Moreover, it is God who sets both us and you in firm union with the Messiah; he has anointed us,

Paul asked God to take away the thorn in his flesh, and God did not.

 

[hornetguy]

How odd that I should read this thread.... past Sunday, we had a lesson on faith. I learned something from scripture that I had somehow overlooked... go to the "faith" chapter in Hebrews, chapter 11. While this is a great testimony of all of the "heroes of faith", keep reading.

[SUP]32 [/SUP]And what more shall I say? For time will fail me if I tell of Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, of David and Samuel and the prophets, [SUP]33 [/SUP]who by faith conquered kingdoms, performed acts of righteousness, obtained promises, shut the mouths of lions, [SUP]34 [/SUP]quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, from weakness were made strong, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight. [SUP]35 [/SUP]Women received back their dead by resurrection; and others were tortured, not accepting their [SUP][u][/SUP]release, so that they might obtain a better resurrection; [SUP]36 [/SUP]and others [SUP][v][/SUP]experienced mockings and scourgings, yes, also chains and imprisonment. [SUP]37 [/SUP]They were stoned, they were sawn in two, [SUP][w][/SUP]they were tempted, they were put to death with the sword; they went about in sheepskins, in goatskins, being destitute, afflicted, ill-treated [SUP]38 [/SUP](men of whom the world was not worthy), wandering in deserts and mountains and caves and holes [SUP][x][/SUP]in the ground.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And all these, having [SUP][y][/SUP]gained approval through their faith, did not receive [SUP][z][/SUP]what was promised, [SUP]40 [/SUP]because God had [SUP][aa][/SUP]provided something better for us, so that apart from us they would not be made perfect.

This is talking about more of the "heroes of faith", and how their lives turned out. Getting a 'yes' answer from God is not a matter of how much faith you have. God has a plan, and we all play our part in that plan. I absolutely believe in the power of prayer, and we need to take our wants and needs to God... just as we would our earthly father... but, just like our earthly father, the answer is not always 'yes'.... we need to learn to be content in our circumstance. To me, that is the essence of joy.

 

[Denadii]

Paul asked God to take away the thorn in his flesh, and God did not.

Oh He didn't hey? Can you show me that?

 

[20]

No, He never lies,Let is take a look who he is KJVDeuteronomy32:3-4 3.Because I will publish the name of the Lord; ascribe ye greatness unto our God, 4.He is the Rock, his work is perfect;for all his ways are judgment; a God of truth and and without iniquity, just and right is he.

 

[Denadii]

Oh He didn't hey? Can you show me that?

Hmmm I guess not

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Yesterday, I had some praise and worship music blasting in the house while I was cleaning. The front door was open since it was sunny. Emma (one of my daughters with special needs who cannot walk) was sitting in the doorway, dancing and really getting into the music. Suddenly she stopped and called for me. With great excitement, she bubbled to me that she had yelled "I LOVE JESUS!" out the door at the top of her lungs so the neighbors would hear. I told her that was wonderful.


A few seconds later, she called me again. She was sitting on the couch and had a "I need to have a serious chat with you" look on her face. I sat down next to her and asked what was on her mind. "Does God answer our prayers?" she asked. "Yes," I told her. I was about to explain how sometimes God answers "yes" and sometimes he answers "no" but I noticed she had her eyes tightly shut and was clasping her hands together in deep, heart felt prayer. Suddenly she sprang from the couch, attempted to take a very large step (all in pure confidence) and landed flat on her bottom. I was startled, having no time to catch her, and asked her if she was alright. She looked very emotionally hurt and confused, but not physically hurt in any way. I knew the look without her even having to explain: What in the world went wrong?


I have often asked myself the same question as I cried out to God in a complete surrender of faith. Why won't he give me my heart's desire? It is during those times I think back about how close I have become to God through trials and how the pain I feel about my children's health has drawn others toward the cross. These things are deep and hard to explain to a sweet girl who's faith is undiluted by age and the world. My prayer for all my children is that God will give them the ability to take "no" for an answer. Even though it hurts and even though we don't understand, God has us in his hands and knows what's best for our lives. "No" may be just the answer we don't realize we need to hear for our lives to be everything we want them to be. No matter what storms we go through, in Christ everything has a purpose and a plan.


For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. --Jeremiah 29:11

Habakkuk 2:2-3 Living Bible (TLB)

[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the Lord said to me, “Write my answer on a billboard,[SUP][a][/SUP] large and clear, so that anyone can read it at a glance and rush to tell the others. [SUP]3 [/SUP]But these things I plan won’t happen right away. Slowly, steadily, surely, the time approaches when the vision will be fulfilled. If it seems slow,[SUP][b][/SUP] do not despair, for these things will surely come to pass. Just be patient! They will not be overdue a single day!

Habakkuk 2:2-3 The Message (MSG)

Full of Self, but Soul-Empty

[SUP]2-3 [/SUP]And then God answered: “Write this.
Write what you see.
Write it out in big block letters
so that it can be read on the run.
This vision-message is a witness
pointing to what’s coming.
It aches for the coming—it can hardly wait!
And it doesn’t lie.
If it seems slow in coming, wait.
It’s on its way. It will come right on time.

 

[SecondHandHippie]

My feeling is, the majority of people responding just read the title and not the actual post.