Does God Lie?

[bluto]

I agree...This little girl has all the faith she will ever need. And The Word says she is healed now....Its simply a matter of time before she is running and jumping. Keep learning little girl, and don't give up Not ever!

Oh please denadii, you need to run and not walk to the nearest exit from following those wof heretical teachers like hagin, copeland, creflo $, hinn and the rest of those wolves in sheeps clothing. If the Word says she is healed now then why is she not healed now or instantaneously? Instead you have to qualify your statement by saying, "its simply a matter of time?"

What your doing with all of this "Postive Confession" garbage is causing people to feel guilty when they don't get healed and then they end up believing your wof teachers that they did not get healed because they had sin in their life or they did not have enough faith to get healed thereby upsetting the faith of people. In other words, it always ends up being the persons fault.

In fact, I remember kenneth hagin saying he was never sick a day in his life (which was a lie btw) but he went around postively confessing or chanting "I'm not sick, I'm not sick" thinking that saying or not sick means your not sick. Now, ironically, that kind of reasoning really is "sick." Here is an article on the matter. https://www.facebook.com/fpt.wordfaithtbn/posts/638788006249177:0

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Meggido]

In fact, I remember kenneth hagin saying he was never sick a day in his life (which was a lie btw) but he went around postively confessing or chanting "I'm not sick, I'm not sick" thinking that saying or not sick means your not sick. Now, ironically, that kind of reasoning really is "sick."

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Kenneth Hagin Sr. also died from a massive heart attack and said in his books he was totally healed of that....He died in cardiac ICU at a hospital in Tulsa OK.

He claims never to have a cold, etc...I know many in WOF that will never go tot he doctor and die at home, for fear of being judged for not having "faith"

 

[Denadii]

Oh please denadii, you need to run and not walk to the nearest exit from following those wof heretical teachers like hagin, copeland, creflo $, hinn and the rest of those wolves in sheeps clothing. If the Word says she is healed now then why is she not healed now or instantaneously? Instead you have to qualify your statement by saying, "its simply a matter of time?"

What your doing with all of this "Postive Confession" garbage is causing people to feel guilty when they don't get healed and then they end up believing your wof teachers that they did not get healed because they had sin in their life or they did not have enough faith to get healed thereby upsetting the faith of people. In other words, it always ends up being the persons fault.

In fact, I remember kenneth hagin saying he was never sick a day in his life (which was a lie btw) but he went around postively confessing or chanting "I'm not sick, I'm not sick" thinking that saying or not sick means your not sick. Now, ironically, that kind of reasoning really is "sick." Here is an article on the matter. https://www.facebook.com/fpt.wordfaithtbn/posts/638788006249177:0



IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Read this verse Bluto Tell me what it says....
[h=1]1 Peter 2:24 (CJB)[/h] [SUP]24 [/SUP]He himself bore our sins[SUP][a][/SUP] in his body on the stake,[SUP][b][/SUP] so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness — by his wounds you were healed.

[h=1]1 Peter 2:24 (KJV)[/h] [SUP]24 [/SUP]Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.


[h=1]1 Peter 2:24 (NIV)[/h] [SUP]24 [/SUP]“He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.”

What does it say?! You have taken great delight in calling me all sorts of crap names since I joined this forum. Now let's see you call the bible a liar...Call the Word a liar!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Read this verse Bluto Tell me what it says....
1 Peter 2:24 (CJB)

[SUP]24 [/SUP]He himself bore our sins[SUP][a][/SUP] in his body on the stake,[SUP][b][/SUP] so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness — by his wounds you were healed.

1 Peter 2:24 (KJV)

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.


1 Peter 2:24 (NIV)

[SUP]24 [/SUP]“He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.”

What does it say?! You have taken great delight in calling me all sorts of crap names since I joined this forum. Now let's see you call the bible a liar...Call the Word a liar!

Eph 2: But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,


he did heal us, completely, just not the way you think!

 

[Denadii]

Eph 2: But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,


he did heal us, completely, just not the way you think!

Yes He did He's a good God!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes He did He's a good God!

yes he is, and he knows us better than ourselves, and knows some f us need humbled, or to help others, and he will use our for his good.

 

[pottersclay]

Saints, let me be very clear about what I have come to believe. This lack of faith vrs.healing vrs sin ect ect is a very touchy subject with me.
So many have been misguided by others it's turned into romper room theology.

First off John tells us all things that are created are created by Jesus. Paul tells us that they are held together by him. The conclusion is all things created will glorify God. For he has purposed all things.

Jesus 's ministry was like no other, he was given atthority over all. The will of the father was to show through his son that he was able and willing to heal and raise from the dead. But it was to point to Jesus the anointed one of God. Jesus also forgave sin even before the price was paid, showing his atthority.

God still heals today for Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever. And we have a never changing God. But the moment in time has been spent that our God had once more walked among us and we beheld his glory.

God has purposed all creation for his glory. Not all will be healed, not all will be raised, but he will use it for his glory if you trust him.


Analogy.....back in the day I worked on a lot of farm equipment. I used to curse the designers because my conventional tools were next to useless in most cases. A friend of mine took me to a place that sold tools for everything. They had tools to reach, grab, pull, push you name it.
Funny looking wrenches, twisting do dad's... Specially made for specific purposes by the designers. Wow what a blessing.
Needless to say it was a very interesting teaching moment.

God chooses the foolish thing to confound the wise. Can the healthy comfort the sick? Can the lame be consoled by the athlete? Can the dieing learn to rejoice by the living? Not in all cases special tools are needed.

 

[Denadii]

Saints, let me be very clear about what I have come to believe. This lack of faith vrs.healing vrs sin ect ect is a very touchy subject with me.
So many have been misguided by others it's turned into romper room theology.

First off John tells us all things that are created are created by Jesus. Paul tells us that they are held together by him. The conclusion is all things created will glorify God. For he has purposed all things.

Jesus 's ministry was like no other, he was given atthority over all. The will of the father was to show through his son that he was able and willing to heal and raise from the dead. But it was to point to Jesus the anointed one of God. Jesus also forgave sin even before the price was paid, showing his atthority.

God still heals today for Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever. And we have a never changing God. But the moment in time has been spent that our God had once more walked among us and we beheld his glory.

God has purposed all creation for his glory. Not all will be healed, not all will be raised, but he will use it for his glory if you trust him.


Analogy.....back in the day I worked on a lot of farm equipment. I used to curse the designers because my conventional tools were next to useless in most cases. A friend of mine took me to a place that sold tools for everything. They had tools to reach, grab, pull, push you name it.
Funny looking wrenches, twisting do dad's... Specially made for specific purposes by the designers. Wow what a blessing.
Needless to say it was a very interesting teaching moment.

God chooses the foolish thing to confound the wise. Can the healthy comfort the sick? Can the lame be consoled by the athlete? Can the dieing learn to rejoice by the living? Not in all cases special tools are needed.

Well.....a part of this is good. But you gave no scripture. I challenge you to show one scripture that says God does not heal certain people.

 

[plainguy]

John actually settled this question for the unbiased searcher. He worded the thematic statement of his Gospel record in the following words: “Many other signs therefore did Jesus in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book: but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in His name” (John 20:30-31, emp. added). John said that belief occurs after the miracle—not before, in order to receive a miracle! The New Testament teaches the very opposite of those who claim that miracles occur today. They say a person must have faith before he or she can receive a miracle. The New Testament teaches that miracles were performed to authenticate the divine origin of the speaker’s message and/or identity. The message, in turn, generated faith in the hearer (cf. Romans 10:17). Hence, miracles preceded faith. Even tongue-speaking was designed to convince the unbeliever to give heed to the message (1 Corinthians 14:22).

Apologetics Press - Modern-Day Miracles, Tongue-Speaking, and Holy Spirit Baptism: A Refutation--EXTENDED VERSION

 

[oldethennew]

we say, let us receive what He gives us, with humility and grace...

 

[sevenseas]

Teaching? It's scripture.

waiting to see what you have to back it up then

 

[sevenseas]

Rom 8:18　 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us.　


Rom 8:19　 For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God.　

is this what you are talking about for manifested sons of God?

the teaching of the manifested sons of God is cult like

[FONT=&quot]For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

[/FONT]there is a big difference between waiting for something and or saying it is manifested

the manifested sons of God is tied into the latter rain movement and Dominionsim

Joyner has his finger in it too. too bad his prophecies fall short and flat. good for him stoning for false prophets is no longer practiced

 

[stonesoffire]

Post #120

you're behind 7seas

 

[sevenseas]

oh let's just call it what it is

Dominion Theology

there yah go

 

[stonesoffire]

is this what you are talking about for manifested sons of God?

the teaching of the manifested sons of God is cult like

For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

there is a big difference between waiting for something and or saying it is manifested

the manifested sons of God is tied into the latter rain movement and Dominionsim

Joyner has his finger in it too. too bad his prophecies fall short and flat. good for him stoning for false prophets is no longer practiced

And only you have all the truth?

 

[stonesoffire]

How about we just call it the Word? And stick to that.

 

[sevenseas]

that was quick

did you go through a portal?

LOL~!

you guys would be funny if you were not constantly trying 'new' things and saying it's God

it's just the same old deceptions wrapped up in shining paper with the words 'has God said' written on the card

tough words because you seem to think that YOU have the truth cornered and the rest of us have no faith and cannot hear God

anyway, 3 day weekend at least for us, so have fun

 

[sevenseas]

How about we just call it the Word? And stick to that.

whose word?

certainly not God as He is revealed in scripture

somebody should post a link to the manifest sons of god teaching or the dominion theology teachings

 

[bluto]

Read this verse Bluto Tell me what it says....
1 Peter 2:24 (CJB)

[SUP]24 [/SUP]He himself bore our sins[SUP][a][/SUP] in his body on the stake,[SUP][b][/SUP] so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness — by his wounds you were healed.

1 Peter 2:24 (KJV)

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.


1 Peter 2:24 (NIV)

[SUP]24 [/SUP]“He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.”

What does it say?! You have taken great delight in calling me all sorts of crap names since I joined this forum. Now let's see you call the bible a liar...Call the Word a liar!

Come on denadii, do I really have to spoon feed you this stuff? Your not keeping up because I did address these verses to you 11 hours ago. Read the following and you tell me if I'm calling the bible a liar? And what "crap" names have I called you?

Where did God, just once in the bible say no to someone who needed healing? By Jesus stripes you WERE healed. Believe it!! You have the faith of Jesus. Use it.

So denadii, why is it necessary for you to be yelling? Did you ever look at the context of what these words mean? "By Jesus stripes you were healed." Technically Isaiah 53:5 says, "And by His scourging we are healed?"

So the question is what kind of healing is this talking about? The Apostle Peter gives the answer at 1 Peter 2:24,25. "and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed. vs25, For (or because) you were continually straying like sheep, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Guaardian of your souls."

The Apostle Peter is talking about spirtual healing and not physicaly healing according to the context. I mean we are not continually straying away from physical healing. (vs25). And at vs24 Jesus bore our sins in His body on that cross (why) in order we might die to sin and live righteously. It does not say we are to die to sin to get physically healed.

Now, do I believe that physically healing is in the atonement? Yes, but it is not an iron clad guarntee that one is going to get physically healed like wof teachers teach. And yes, I'm well aware of where Matthew quotes Isaiah 53:4 at Matthew 8:17, "in order that what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, saying, "He Himself took our infirmities and carried away our diseases."This prophecy according to the context was fulfilled during Jesus' earthin ministry. It is not a blanket statement that applies for every single person to be healed physically like you have been taught by these heretical wof teachers. They and like you are not dealing with "reality." So where am I wrong boy?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Denadii]

Come on denadii, do I really have to spoon feed you this stuff? Your not keeping up because I did address these verses to you 11 hours ago. Read the following and you tell me if I'm calling the bible a liar? And what "crap" names have I called you?

Where did God, just once in the bible say no to someone who needed healing? By Jesus stripes you WERE healed. Believe it!! You have the faith of Jesus. Use it.

So denadii, why is it necessary for you to be yelling? Did you ever look at the context of what these words mean? "By Jesus stripes you were healed." Technically Isaiah 53:5 says, "And by His scourging we are healed?"

So the question is what kind of healing is this talking about? The Apostle Peter gives the answer at 1 Peter 2:24,25. "and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed. vs25, For (or because) you were continually straying like sheep, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Guaardian of your souls."
[h=1] 1 Peter 2:20-25Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
[/h] [SUP]20 [/SUP]For what credit is there in bearing up under a beating you deserve for doing something wrong? But if you bear up under punishment, even though you have done what is right, God looks on it with favor. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Indeed, this is what you were called to; because the Messiah too suffered, on your behalf, leaving an example so that you should follow in his steps.

[SUP]22 [/SUP]“He committed no sin,
nor was any deceit found on his lips.”[SUP][a][/SUP]

[SUP]23 [/SUP]When he was insulted, he didn’t retaliate with insults; when he suffered, he didn’t threaten, but handed them over to him who judges justly. [SUP]24 [/SUP]He himself bore our sins[SUP][b][/SUP] in his body on the stake,[SUP][c][/SUP] so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness — by his wounds you were healed.[SUP][d][/SUP] [SUP]25 [/SUP]For you used to be like sheep gone astray, but now you have turned to[SUP][e][/SUP] the Shepherd, who watches over you.

Yup We were healed. He did not specify that it was only spiritual healing.





The Apostle Peter is talking about spirtual healing and not physicaly healing according to the context. I mean we are not continually straying away from physical healing. (vs25). And at vs24 Jesus bore our sins in His body on that cross (why) in order we might die to sin and live righteously. It does not say we are to die to sin to get physically healed.

You are adding a meaning and deleting another. For your convenience.

Now, do I believe that physically healing is in the atonement? Yes, but it is not an iron clad guarntee that one is going to get physically healed like wof teachers teach. And yes, I'm well aware of where Matthew quotes Isaiah 53:4 at Matthew 8:17, "in order that what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, saying, "He Himself took our infirmities and carried away our diseases."This prophecy according to the context was fulfilled during Jesus' earthin ministry. It is not a blanket statement that applies for every single person to be healed physically like you have been taught by these heretical wof teachers. They and like you are not dealing with "reality." So where am I wrong boy?

You are wrong in all of it.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

1 I did not say this! Where did God, just once in the bible say no to someone who needed healing? By Jesus stripes you WERE healed. Believe it!! You have the faith of Jesus. Use it.

I said all of those things but not jammed together to mean something else.

2 Did you ever look at the context of what these words mean? "By Jesus stripes you were healed." Technically Isaiah 53:5 says, "And by His scourging we are healed?"
Of course! I always go by context. It means By Jesus stripes we are/were healed. Nothing less.