Does God still speak to the people in our time today?

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QUOTE=Isdaniel;1296167]You cannot know God without the scriptures
Matthew 22:29Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God[/QUOTE]
Matt. 11:28. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Jesus tells us that we have to come to Him for us to learn of Him, where did Jesus teach that we cannot know God without the scriptures?
 
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Isdaniel said:
You cannot know God without the scriptures
Matthew 22:29Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God
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Matt. 11:28. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

Jesus tells us that we have to come to Him for us to learn of Him, where did Jesus teach that we cannot know God without the scriptures?
 
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OneJack said:
I just wonder if, through out the bible starting from Genesis to Revelation, God and Jesus Christ has taught that there will come a time that the Almighty will speak to the people through and by the scriptures, can you please pin point exactly in the pages of the bible where can we see God telling such thing to His prophets and apostles and disciples?

Did the Lord God or Jesus Christ teach then to His prophets and apostles to use the scriptures/bible today as a countercheck tool in determining the genuineness of anyone's claim that God did talk to him/her in this place or in that place, etc., etc.?

I do not say that we have to set aside the bible, but I do say we have to read the bible, even everyday, just be sure that we have to come to God to ask Him to help us understand the things we are reading and searching in the pages of the bible.
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I really don't understand what you are saying, exactly. My understanding of the way God speaks to us is that it is a combination of spirit and scripture.

Lots of people, those who Christ has not given the Holy Spirit to yet, read the bible without a clue to the spiritual content of it. I certainly experienced that. it was when I was going to college and doing well with my studies, thank you, and I even tried to structure biblical sentences trying to make head or tail of what as simple as the Sermon on the Mount was saying. Then the Lord opened my eyes to the spiritual of our world. Scripture without the spirit simply makes no sense. But at the same time, spirit without scripture is not truth. When people try to make it truth they miss the point of what God is saying.
 
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Anytime any person comes to Jesus, Yeshua, it is because Yahweh has spoken to him. There may be no words, no sound, but there is no other manner to be saved than to have heard GOD. People may be used toward the salvation of any individual, but It is always the Holy Spirit Who convinces the individual. Otherewise, he has gained nothing.
 
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directline2iam said:
You can start with the ten commandments which by the way were scriptures written by the finger of God and given to His people.

And Jesus said, SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES for in them you think you have eternal life, and the scriptures are them which testify of Me.

So you see, God has a purpose for the scriptures.

This is in reply to post 18, not your quote in this post.
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Jesus is saying to search the scripture for us to know that people think they have eternal life in it, but the scriptures testify of Him and for us to have life, we have to come to him, do you have life in the scripture?
 
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RedTent said:
I really don't understand what you are saying, exactly. My understanding of the way God speaks to us is that it is a combination of spirit and scripture.
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When God talked to Moses in Mt. Sinai, didn't God talk to Moses through the burning bush and an angel? When Jesus talked to Paul, didn't the Lord talk to Paul through light and a voice? Where was the scripture there?

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Lots of people, those who Christ has not given the Holy Spirit to yet, read the bible without a clue to the spiritual content of it. I certainly experienced that. it was when I was going to college and doing well with my studies, thank you, and I even tried to structure biblical sentences trying to make head or tail of what as simple as the Sermon on the Mount was saying. Then the Lord opened my eyes to the spiritual of our world. Scripture without the spirit simply makes no sense. But at the same time, spirit without scripture is not truth. When people try to make it truth they miss the point of what God is saying.
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God is real and alive and we can come to Him and we can talk to Him and HE, too, can talk to us and this is truly different in reading and concentrating in the things we read and study in the bible thinking further that God is talking to us, encounter with God is different from reading from the bible.
 
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OneJack said:
Jesus is saying to search the scripture for us to know that people think they have eternal life in it, but the scriptures testify of Him and for us to have life, we have to come to him, do you have life in the scripture?
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Do I have life in God's Word? Yes.
 
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If you set aside the bible, how will you be able to test the spirits to see if they are of God?
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God himself is the best teacher to whom we can always come to for guidance and knowing what is right and what is not right, what is evil spirit and what is good spirit and so on, have you read in the bible where God himself (take note if this) taught His disciples to use the scriptures in testing spirits?

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1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 John 1:9-10 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
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Matt. 11:28. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
[SUP]29[/SUP] Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
 
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OneJack said:
It is the Lord Jesus himself who does today, not the HS.
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Don't you think we are told of God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit to help our understanding of God because of how universal God is. But actually, they act as a unit.
 
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directline2iam said:
Do I have life in God's Word? Yes.
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Jesus said in John 5:39 people think they have life in the scripture, and in verse 40, He further said "that you do not come to me for you to have life," maybe you have overlooked that verse. The Life is only in the LORD JESUS CHRIST, no more, no less, and for us to have life, we have to come to the Lord Jesus Christ, this is very clear in the teaching of the Lord Jesus in the book of John 5.
 
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RedTent said:
Don't you think we are told of God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit to help our understanding of God because of how universal God is. But actually, they act as a unit.
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Are you telling me that you have encountered the Lord Jesus Christ and the HS, if so, how did the Lord Jesus and the HS introduce themselves to you and when was that?
 
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OneJack

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Isdaniel said:



Jesus was not condeming the scriptures when he said that also how do you reconcile what


2 Timothy 3
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works
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There is nothing to reconcile with in this case, it's either you listen only to Jesus or to somebody else or to anything.
 
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OneJack said:
Jesus said in John 5:39 people think they have life in the scripture, and in verse 40, He further said "that you do not come to me for you to have life," maybe you have overlooked that verse. The Life is only in the LORD JESUS CHRIST, no more, no less, and for us to have life, we have to come to the Lord Jesus Christ, this is very clear in the teaching of the Lord Jesus in the book of John 5.
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You don't understand what you are reading friend. He is saying the scripture is all about Me Jesus so why don't you believe what the scriptures say and have life.
 
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Isdaniel said:
How does faith in God comes to someone ?
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When someone calls on to God and when God responds to his call and when God starts to teach him, that is the time that faith in God will come to someone.
 
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directline2iam said:
You don't understand what you are reading friend. He is saying the scripture is all about Me Jesus so why don't you believe what the scriptures say and have life.
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Then let us post the verses;

John 5:39. Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.[SUP]40[/SUP] And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Verse 39 says 1) search the scriptures; 2) for in them ye think ye have eternal life; and 3) and they are they which testify of me.

Verse 40 says 1) and ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Now, do we have life in the scriptures in accordance with verses 39 and 40?
 
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OneJack said:
Then let us post the verses;

John 5:39. Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.[SUP]40[/SUP] And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Verse 39 says 1) search the scriptures; 2) for in them ye think ye have eternal life; and 3) and they are they which testify of me.

Verse 40 says 1) and ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Now, do we have life in the scriptures in accordance with verses 39 and 40?
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They didn't believe the scriptures, they didn't believe Jesus was the Christ. How much plainer can I say it?

You are primarily hung up on a verse about coming to Jesus or more straight forward having a one on one with Jesus Christ Himself. But that is not What Jesus taught. You have to read all of it not pick your favorite verse and skip the rest.
He said I go to my Father but I will send you the Holy Spirit, He the HS will give you understanding. It was a special thing for Jesus to talk to Saul, not an everyday thing for His purposes, not ours. Now we have the HS to talk to us which is of the Godhead. Don't blame me for what Jesus decided to do, I just accept Him at His Word.
 
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directline2iam said:
They didn't believe the scriptures, they didn't believe Jesus was the Christ. How much plainer can I say it?
You are primarily hung up on a verse about coming to Jesus or more straight forward having a one on one with Jesus Christ Himself. But that is not What Jesus taught. You have to read all of it not pick your favorite verse and skip the rest.
He said I go to my Father but I will send you the Holy Spirit, He the HS will give you understanding. It was a special thing for Jesus to talk to Saul, not an everyday thing for His purposes, not ours. Now we have the HS to talk to us which is of the Godhead. Don't blame me for what Jesus decided to do, I just accept Him at His Word.
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The whole bible is too broad but verses 39 and 40 of John 5 simply tell us of those things mentioned in them, the other verses are telling us different things, let us focus on how can we have eternal life which is the priceless award from God that even the richness of this whole world is no match to it. Are you not in agreement that we have to come to the Lord Jesus today for all of us to have eternal life right after we leave this material world?
 
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OneJack said:
The whole bible is too broad but verses 39 and 40 of John 5 simply tell us of those things mentioned in them, the other verses are telling us different things, let us focus on how can we have eternal life which is the priceless award from God that even the richness of this whole world is no match to it. Are you not in agreement that we have to come to the Lord Jesus today for all of us to have eternal life right after we leave this material world?
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I agree one hundred percent. The way in which we come to the Lord is through the work of the HS who works in us.
 
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OneJack said:
Are you telling me that you have encountered the Lord Jesus Christ and the HS, if so, how did the Lord Jesus and the HS introduce themselves to you and when was that?
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I am 88 now, it happened when I was 18. I decided there was a God when I was three, but I couldn't find Him or understand the bible. My roommate couldn't explain, my Mom didn't make sense, I went to church and couldn't understand, looked all over. I decided to read the bible every night, and see if it would come clear. At 8:07 (I looked at the clock) one night I could understand what the bible said. I was a baby, didn't understand much, but with study and prayer I have grown.
 
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RedTent said:
I am 88 now, it happened when I was 18. I decided there was a God when I was three, but I couldn't find Him or understand the bible. My roommate couldn't explain, my Mom didn't make sense, I went to church and couldn't understand, looked all over. I decided to read the bible every night, and see if it would come clear. At 8:07 (I looked at the clock) one night I could understand what the bible said. I was a baby, didn't understand much, but with study and prayer I have grown.
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Thank you bro, and I wish you could live longer still, but I don't find any encounter there with the Lord and with the HS, where are the introductions telling you that they are the Lord and the HS, could you clarify please?
 
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