Does Hell exist?
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Yet you expect them to trust that they've only just come to church, don't understand anything, and know nothing about God and Jesus except that 'they can be saved from the oh-so gruesome hell' by their simple 'repentance' even though it will take them years if not decades to either know what and who God is, and to repent of any of their common sins, they just accept that fact without questioning anything?
You set them up thereafter to believe whatever you tell them, because to be honest, they are completely lost about it all.
The focus is always 'you're saved', 'yay no hell-punishment-torture for you'.
Even though the people teaching them don't even know what hell is.
You set them up thereafter to believe whatever you tell them, because to be honest, they are completely lost about it all.
The focus is always 'you're saved', 'yay no hell-punishment-torture for you'.
Even though the people teaching them don't even know what hell is.
If there is no "hell" then why am i doing and believing what I am. Why am I not at the bank demanding money or at the bar drinking and slapping womens bottoms. Why am I not indulging myself in sin. What is there to fear. I'm going to heaven anyway. What's the bible for and why did jesus get beat, beard plucked out, slapped by the priest. Why, what is the great white throne judgment for. what is armageddon all about. why don't I just do what's right in my own eye. If I'm not going to be eternally punished for my actions and deeds. Then why not be a buddhist or muslim. You know all a muslim woman has to do is obey her husband and she can enter all of the 7 doors of their heaven. please explain. I mean why am held accountable to a Holy God. Accountable for what, I'm going to have peace and everlasting joy anyway.
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Considering that in fact you can do all those things, yet you refrain from them for reasons of punishment would to me highlight that your moral compass does not exist anyway. I do not believe in Hell yet I feel no urge to demand money or harm others, in fact the aspect of punishment in terms of hell does not make me more likely to avoid those actions.
If you imply nothing apart from hell is stopping you from going out and harming others, I would suggest your view on morality is clearly warped. Morality is not only defined as punishment for your actions, it is more than that. I fear anyone who only does good for fear of punishment, if not by the merit of good alone.
If you imply nothing apart from hell is stopping you from going out and harming others, I would suggest your view on morality is clearly warped. Morality is not only defined as punishment for your actions, it is more than that. I fear anyone who only does good for fear of punishment, if not by the merit of good alone.
That's the most profound and enlightening question a christian has ever asked me, and I'll answer it for you.
You believe, because you will either get reward or be burned for all eternity, yet if you didn't have those two 'choices', then you would like to go slapping women's bottoms and robbing banks, or at least, you wonder why you shouldn't just do that if there is no hell.
You my friend, need these rules more than the atheists do!! lol
The reason why, is because robbing banks and treating women badly benifits nobody, not even you, and it does so on a level moreprofound than simply whether you will go to hell or not.
It eats at your conscience, at your soul, it creates strife and fear and coldness and callousness and none of these things compare an inch to living in total fogiveness, peace of mind and love.
There is no comparison moreso than to be able to forgive an enemy. To be able to love a 'sinner'. To die for a stranger.
And Jesus, with all his power of judgement, teaches us so; love your enemies.
Jesus himself practices what he preaches.
You believe, because you will either get reward or be burned for all eternity, yet if you didn't have those two 'choices', then you would like to go slapping women's bottoms and robbing banks, or at least, you wonder why you shouldn't just do that if there is no hell.
You my friend, need these rules more than the atheists do!! lol
The reason why, is because robbing banks and treating women badly benifits nobody, not even you, and it does so on a level moreprofound than simply whether you will go to hell or not.
It eats at your conscience, at your soul, it creates strife and fear and coldness and callousness and none of these things compare an inch to living in total fogiveness, peace of mind and love.
There is no comparison moreso than to be able to forgive an enemy. To be able to love a 'sinner'. To die for a stranger.
And Jesus, with all his power of judgement, teaches us so; love your enemies.
Jesus himself practices what he preaches.
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The judgement is cause for rendering one according to their deeds.
IT is cause for man to realize the true, whole unbenifit of sin after living a life immersed in it, to come to a state where we are no longer trapped in it, nor led by it.
Every person must be made not only aware of themselves in entirety but of their sins and their tendencies, their thoughts and their mindsets, their peripheral vision opened and the truth of all things according to them shown as plainly and clearly as looking at a reflection in a mirror.
From then on no person will ever want to sin again.
This life, I give to God as reverance. As extra. As my token of the realisation of the truth.
IT is cause for man to realize the true, whole unbenifit of sin after living a life immersed in it, to come to a state where we are no longer trapped in it, nor led by it.
Every person must be made not only aware of themselves in entirety but of their sins and their tendencies, their thoughts and their mindsets, their peripheral vision opened and the truth of all things according to them shown as plainly and clearly as looking at a reflection in a mirror.
From then on no person will ever want to sin again.
This life, I give to God as reverance. As extra. As my token of the realisation of the truth.
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I hope these verse help.
Matthew 10:28
Revelation 20:15
2 Peter 2:4
Matthew 5:30
Luke 12:5
Matthew 18:9
James 3:6
I hope these plenty of verses in the bible helps you.
Matthew 10:28
Revelation 20:15
2 Peter 2:4
Matthew 5:30
Luke 12:5
Matthew 18:9
James 3:6
I hope these plenty of verses in the bible helps you.
If i'm not going to hell, so what. So I'm enlightened and i'm good to folk. Why not live like the devil cause where i'm going there isn't one. It's just common sense. Do you have children, if so how do you correct them. I'm thinking some form of punishment, if not then why would the child listen or obey. I know mommy said not to do it but, I'm gonna get a cookie anyway. So, why not.
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This is an excerpt from one of the best articles I've read on this subject. The cite listed below this exerpt leads to that article. It lays all the reasoning out aligned with appropriate scriptures beautifully. This excerpt doesn't include those scriptures; it just speaks to some of the reasoning involved. Click on the website listed, and you'll see all the scriptures represented in order along with the argument. I think Chuck Missler often says something like, ''you can't judge a matter unless you've carefully heard it all out.'' That's definately true in this case.
"I cannot think of a more devastating slander that could be associated with someone's name than the one that Christians have attributed to God. Just think of the worst, cruelest, most wretched human beings in earth's history: Attila the Hun, Benito Mussolini, Genghis Khan, Joseph Stalin, Saddam Hussein, and others. More than likely, Adolf Hitler was the first name to come to mind. But even the ruthless Hitler had not the heart to do the kind of things that are being accredited to the name of God. Nothing that his victims experienced can even come close to the pains that must be present in the common Christian perception of Hell. What is a year's worth of hard labor compared with an eternity in burning flames? What is the murder of 16 million people when compared with billions being kept alive for no other purpose than to ceaselessly extract every ounce of pain from them for trillions upon trillions of agonizing years with no hope of ever escaping? If Hell is really as bad as this, then God has designed a system of judgment that involves far more horrendous practices than even the wickedest of men would ever dream of. What can be said about a God who would create such a place? Is this the God that we are supposed to share with others in what we call the "Good News"?"
Jeremy K. Moritz, . (2010). Hell: Eternal torment or complete annihilation. Retrieved from Hell: Eternal Torment or Complete Annihilation? - By Jeremy K. Moritz
"I cannot think of a more devastating slander that could be associated with someone's name than the one that Christians have attributed to God. Just think of the worst, cruelest, most wretched human beings in earth's history: Attila the Hun, Benito Mussolini, Genghis Khan, Joseph Stalin, Saddam Hussein, and others. More than likely, Adolf Hitler was the first name to come to mind. But even the ruthless Hitler had not the heart to do the kind of things that are being accredited to the name of God. Nothing that his victims experienced can even come close to the pains that must be present in the common Christian perception of Hell. What is a year's worth of hard labor compared with an eternity in burning flames? What is the murder of 16 million people when compared with billions being kept alive for no other purpose than to ceaselessly extract every ounce of pain from them for trillions upon trillions of agonizing years with no hope of ever escaping? If Hell is really as bad as this, then God has designed a system of judgment that involves far more horrendous practices than even the wickedest of men would ever dream of. What can be said about a God who would create such a place? Is this the God that we are supposed to share with others in what we call the "Good News"?"
Jeremy K. Moritz, . (2010). Hell: Eternal torment or complete annihilation. Retrieved from Hell: Eternal Torment or Complete Annihilation? - By Jeremy K. Moritz
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considering NO one will go to eternal judgment (or what many call hell) or Heaven (eternity with Christ) until AFTER judgment. you would think it would be obvious. They had to go somewhere to await ressurection to eternal life, or deliverance to final judgment.
the only other option would be sleep (no consciousness) but this would be proven wrong by the very passage you quoted about the two theives.. The one who would be in paradise with him that day, had to be conscious.
the only other option would be sleep (no consciousness) but this would be proven wrong by the very passage you quoted about the two theives.. The one who would be in paradise with him that day, had to be conscious.