Does Hell exist?

[Earlmayknowornot]

[SUP]Luke 16 19 [/SUP]There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:[SUP]20 [/SUP]And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Need I say more. The word speaks for itself.

 

[CDavid]

[h=3]Luke 10:15[/h] And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shalt be thrust down to hell.

[h=3]Revelation 20:14[/h] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

[h=3]Isaiah 14:15[/h] Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

[h=3]2 Peter 2:4[/h] For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

[h=3]Revelation 1:18[/h] I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

[h=3]Acts 2:31[/h] He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

I found 54 references to hell, but I'm not going to post them all. If ti did not exist, Gods word would not say it does.

 

[CDavid]

I believe that it does not.
I must believe that even the most wicked, the most hated, the most hateful, the most vile and corrupt, murderous, satanic, and SINFUL are forgiven of their sins when they die and will see God and God will welcome them home.
I believe that Hitler is in heaven, with my grandpa who fought in the war.

I posted another thread 'is God good?' and got a ton of feedback. Here's where I'm at on that topic: No matter what God does or doesn't do in THIS life, it doesn't compare to what he will do in the next. God is GOOD, but that doesn't mean he does good things for us in this life, in fact, he may even do some pretty horrid things to us, like kill thousands, murder children, curse or bring grief, or things of that nature. I must interpret the bible as a History book, not as literal truth. People may have said 'God granted us victory' but I'm sure God wasn't cheering for the fallen armies.

Some of you will disagree, and that's fine. I didn't mean to sound so argumentative in my other post, but I am angry, so it's hard not to sound that way.

So, what do you think? How far will you go to accept God's love? Can you believe that Hitler is in heaven too? I urge you to begin thinking this way!!

Peace!

Then you do not believe the word of God?

 

[DannyC]

[SUP]Luke 16 19 [/SUP]There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:[SUP]20 [/SUP]And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Need I say more. The word speaks for itself.

My morality does not end at the idea of no eternal punishment, I made that quite clear earlier, I also stated that while I will not recieve any form of punishment in the afterlife, that does not mean I am more willing to commit acts of violence now. My morality is not a statement of submission to rules, and anyone who claims to have a moral compass based on fear of punishment alone is lying.

To your statement that if Hell didn't exist you would commit acts which you call 'sin', I don't contest your claim because obviously you have no moral compass, but follow the rules for a more selfish reason.

If you feel that in fact you do have a moral compass then the comment regarding Hell holds no weight because even you don't believe your own statements. If you hold true to your statement on your own morality, then I can only state you have a warped, if no morality at all.

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

My morality does not end at the idea of no eternal punishment, I made that quite clear earlier, I also stated that while I will not recieve any form of punishment in the afterlife, that does not mean I am more willing to commit acts of violence now. My morality is not a statement of submission to rules, and anyone who claims to have a moral compass based on fear of punishment alone is lying.

To your statement that if Hell didn't exist you would commit acts which you call 'sin', I don't contest your claim because obviously you have no moral compass, but follow the rules for a more selfish reason.

If you feel that in fact you do have a moral compass then the comment regarding Hell holds no weight because even you don't believe your own statements. If you hold true to your statement on your own morality, then I can only state you have a warped, if no morality at all.

My brother, I was simply playing the advocate as you can see. If I were a non believer and reading this thread. I would say since there is no hell or no punishment for my actions. Then why would I adhere to the teachings of the bible. I'm going to heaven anyway. I love the Lord and I adhere to his word so that I may know Him and grow closer to Him.But, to the unbeliever I have nothing tolose why should I.

 

[DannyC]

My brother, I was simply playing the advocate as you can see. If I were a non believer and reading this thread. I would say since there is no hell or no punishment for my actions. Then why would I adhere to the teachings of the bible. I'm going to heaven anyway. I love the Lord and I adhere to his word so that I may know Him and grow closer to Him.But, to the unbeliever I have nothing tolose why should I.

I am an unbeliever and I'm saying that your claim is not true in practise nor is it valid in the fundamentals of morality. In real-practise we do not see non-believers looting and killing daily, in most cases atheists/agnostics do not hold this kind of no punishment/no morality ideal.

Also I'm stating if this no punishment/no morality is how you feel then I can clearly say you have no moral compass. If you don't believe your own statements then there is no point in saying them as they clearly don't hold weight.

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

I am an unbeliever and I'm saying that your claim is not true in practise nor is it valid in the fundamentals of morality. In real-practise we do not see non-believers looting and killing daily, in most cases atheists/agnostics do not hold this kind of no punishment/no morality ideal.

Also I'm stating if this no punishment/no morality is how you feel then I can clearly say you have no moral compass. If you don't believe your own statements then there is no point in saying them as they clearly don't hold weight.

If you are an unbeliever why are you here. I do believe my own statements. If the were no punishment. Then what was the bible written for. Why did God flood the earth. Why did He destroy Sodom. Why did He send His chosen people into captivity. Why did He scatter them among the nations. Why.

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

​And It is not how I feel it is the word of God.

 

[DannyC]

If you are an unbeliever why are you here. I do believe my own statements. If the were no punishment. Then what was the bible written for. Why did God flood the earth. Why did He destroy Sodom. Why did He send His chosen people into captivity. Why did He scatter them among the nations. Why.

Your misunderstanding what I am saying.

I don't believe God flooded the earth or destroyed Sodom or sent his chosen people into captivity or scattered them among the nations. I am an unbeliever so why are you asking me explain why God did something, I don't believe he did any of it.

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

Your misunderstanding what I am saying.

I don't believe God flooded the earth or destroyed Sodom or sent his chosen people into captivity or scattered them among the nations. I am an unbeliever so why are you asking me explain why God did something, I don't believe he did any of it.

Well then eat ,drink and tomorrow we die. If you don't believe then you have nothing to fear and walk in your own judgment. Because you obviously do not believe the word. What do you believe if anything. Are you here just cause disruption or are you seeking something.

 

[DannyC]

Well then eat ,drink and tomorrow we die. If you don't believe then you have nothing to fear and walk in your own judgment. Because you obviously do not believe the word. What do you believe if anything. Are you here just cause disruption or are you seeking something.

I've been here for over a year, I think I can handle myself. Thanks.

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

CDavid, God loves you and so do I. If you will confess with your mouth and believe in your heart the Lord Jesus Christ you shall be saved. Saved from what, Hell fire. That's what

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

Yeah, I used to think I could handle Myself too. You have been here a year and no one has offered you the sinners prayer. Then let me do so . Lord Jesus, I am a sinner and ask you to be the Lord of my life. Please forgive me of my sins and come into my heart, cleanse me and wash me. now I am saved by your grace and mercy. That's it so simple isn't it. If you pray that prayer and believe in your heart you are saved.

 

[tribesman]

Let's cut out the crap, shall we? Hell exists, it is real and all unregenerate and unredeemed souls will go there and finally to the lake of fire.

Luke.16

[19] There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
[20] And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
[21] And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
[22] And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
[23] And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Rev.20

[13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Now the good news:

John 3

1. [15] That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
2. [16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 12

1. [46] I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

Acts 10

1. [43] To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Rom.9

1. [33] As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Rom.10

1. [11] For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

1John5

1. [1] Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

 

[Charlamane]

It's called a parable. There were five parables in a row there. The one you're talking about is the fifth in a series of five parts of a parable beginning with the parable of the lost sheep, Luke 15:3, where this is identified as a parable. Remember, verses and chapters were added hundreds of years AFTER the Bible was written, and they were designated by uninspired translators, not by inspired Bible writers. The five parts of this parable are: 1) the lost sheep, 2) the lost coin, 3) the lost boy (prodigal son), 4)unjust steward, 5) and the rich man and Lazarus. Each part of the parable is designed to teach a different aspect of the same theme.

Two groups of individuals are the objects of this 5 part parable. On one hand are the Pharisaic aristocrats. On the other hand are the "tribute collectors and sinners", downtrodden and despised, the objects of contempt and loathing from the Pharisees.

In the first part of the parable, the "tribute collector and sinner" are the principal subjects. In the second, the sinner alone is seen. The fourth section parallels the second inasmuch as there the Pharisaic class is also seen by itself without any reference to their group. As the lost piece of silver demonstrated the utter helplessness of the sinner, so in the case of the Unjust Steward, the true character of the Pharisee is vividly portrayed.

You need to read the words to these scriptures more carefully.

1. That whosoever believeth in him should not PERISH, but have eternal life.
2. [16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not PERISH, but have everlasting life.

 

[DannyC]

Yeah, I used to think I could handle Myself too. You have been here a year and no one has offered you the sinners prayer. Then let me do so . Lord Jesus, I am a sinner and ask you to be the Lord of my life. Please forgive me of my sins and come into my heart, cleanse me and wash me. now I am saved by your grace and mercy. That's it so simple isn't it. If you pray that prayer and believe in your heart you are saved.

Well I don't believe that the words mean anything sorry.

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

Well I don't believe that the words mean anything sorry.

You are right they don't mean anything if you don't believe. Keep knocking and keep searching and everyone who ask receives. I think you are here for a reason. I think that God pulled you here. Why are here seeing that you don't believe any of it. I love you and I will pray CDavid.

 

[tribesman]

It's called a parable. There were five parables in a row there. The one you're talking about is the fifth in a series of five parts of a parable beginning with the parable of the lost sheep, Luke 15:3, where this is identified as a parable. Remember, verses and chapters were added hundreds of years AFTER the Bible was written, and they were designated by uninspired translators, not by inspired Bible writers. The five parts of this parable are: 1) the lost sheep, 2) the lost coin, 3) the lost boy (prodigal son), 4)unjust steward, 5) and the rich man and Lazarus. Each part of the parable is designed to teach a different aspect of the same theme.

Two groups of individuals are the objects of this 5 part parable. On one hand are the Pharisaic aristocrats. On the other hand are the "tribute collectors and sinners", downtrodden and despised, the objects of contempt and loathing from the Pharisees.

In the first part of the parable, the "tribute collector and sinner" are the principal subjects. In the second, the sinner alone is seen. The fourth section parallels the second inasmuch as there the Pharisaic class is also seen by itself without any reference to their group. As the lost piece of silver demonstrated the utter helplessness of the sinner, so in the case of the Unjust Steward, the true character of the Pharisee is vividly portrayed.

You need to read the words to these scriptures more carefully.

1. That whosoever believeth in him should not PERISH, but have eternal life.
2. [16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not PERISH, but have everlasting life.

Nonsense. You obviously adhere to the false annihilationist teaching that hell is but a mere "parable", not denoting any physical reality, something which is outright contradicted by the many other clear teachings Jesus had on hell. Perishing in hell does not equal "cease to exist". There is a bodily resurrection of the wicked as well (Dan.12.2), in which bodies they shall enter into eternity.

Is Luke 16:19-31 a parable or an account of events that actually occurred? <-link

Is Luke 16 a LITERAL Story? <-link

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

CDaivd, God loves you and He wants you. Your life will never be the same. If you are intent on defying God then this thread has shown your fate. I love you man and God loves you. can you explain love. God is love. He doesn't want to send you there but if you do not accept Him that's where you will be. Satan will come to rob kill and destroy. Resist and ask Him (God) to forgive you. It is the most wonderful life you can live. Not saying there want be hard times but, if you keep your faith in the cross He will see you through.

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

CDavid I love you and you can PM me if you want or you can email me @ [email protected].