no its really embarrasing. maybe mods will delete me save my face lolz. always double check before posting is what i learned. but i just have so many questions. if the drawing isnt all in john 12:31, why does it say all, world, etc? why cant bible use more precise language.
and what about all the exhortations and commands to repent, why do it if God knows they cant unless He does something for them? seems very complicated. maybe i can make a different topic about it, or someone can pm me. (i cant pm too new member)
and what about all the exhortations and commands to repent, why do it if God knows they cant unless He does something for them? seems very complicated. maybe i can make a different topic about it, or someone can pm me. (i cant pm too new member)
[this post is in response to all those in this thread who have covered the word "CALLED"... not just Melach… I'm copying a few posts I've made in the past, to put in this post, in response to that Subject]
Re: "CALLED"... and the TWO distinct Greek words translated "CALL/CALLED" (or "INVITE/INVITED"):
--G2564 - kaleó / kalesai / keklēmenous - "to call / invite / name"
--G2822 - klétos / klētoi / klētois - "to call / invite / summon"
It is important to notice how EACH of these is used in BOTH [/EACH] the Matthew 22:1-14 passage AND the Romans 8:28,30 verses (both words are in both passages):
G2564 - kaleó / kalesai / keklēmenous - "to call / invite / name" -
Matthew 22:3 V-ANA
GRK: δούλους αὐτοῦ καλέσαι τοὺς κεκλημένους
NAS: out his slaves to call those
KJV: servants to call them that were bidden
INT: servants of him to call those having been invited
Matthew 22:3 V-RPM/P-AMP
GRK: καλέσαι τοὺς κεκλημένους εἰς τοὺς
NAS: those who had been invited to the wedding feast,
KJV: to call them that were bidden to
INT: to call those having been invited to the
Matthew 22:4 V-RPM/P-DMP
GRK: Εἴπατε τοῖς κεκλημένοις Ἰδοὺ τὸ
NAS: those who have been invited, Behold,
KJV: Tell them which are bidden, Behold,
INT: Say to those having been invited Behold the
Matthew 22:8 V-RPM/P-NMP
GRK: οἱ δὲ κεκλημένοι οὐκ ἦσαν
NAS: but those who were invited were not worthy.
KJV: but they which were bidden were
INT: those moreover having been invited not were
[NOTE: these ^ had rejected the invitation/call, per vv.3,5,6]
Matthew 22:9 V-AMA-2P
GRK: ἐὰν εὕρητε καλέσατε εἰς τοὺς
NAS: as you find [there], invite to the wedding feast.'
KJV: ye shall find, bid to
INT: if you shall find invite to the
Romans 8:30 V-AIA-3S
GRK: τούτους καὶ ἐκάλεσεν καὶ οὓς
NAS: He also called; and these
KJV: he also called: and whom
INT: these also he called and whom
G2822 - klétos / klētoi / klētois - "to call / invite / summon" -
Matthew 22:14 Adj-NMP
GRK: γάρ εἰσιν κλητοὶ ὀλίγοι δὲ
NAS: For many are called, but few
KJV: many are called, but few
INT: indeed are called few however
Romans 8:28 Adj-DMP
GRK: κατὰ πρόθεσιν κλητοῖς οὖσιν
NAS: to those who are called according
KJV: to them who are the called according
INT: according to [his] purpose called are
[note: the Matthew 22:1-7,8-14 passage is referring to the "guests [plural]" of "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" i.e. the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom which will be commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth, whereas the Romans 8 passage is referring to (that which pertains to) "the Church which is His body" (who is not "the guests [plural]"), so there's that distinction to be noted also--not that this makes much difference in how these two words are used (re: call/invite)]
[quoting from BibleHub]
"In the NT, 2822 /klētós ("divinely called") focuses on God's general call – i.e. the call (invitation) He gives to all people, so all can receive His salvation. God desires every person to call out to Him and receive His salvation (1 Tim 2:4,5). "Unfortunately, many choose not to – but all can; all don't but all can call out to God for His mercy (not just 'some')" (G. Archer)." [source: BibleHub]
[and]
EDIT (not enough time to add this bracketed comment back into that post ):
Also, Acts 28:24 [blb] - "And indeed, some were persuaded [G3982 - epeithonto ] of the things he is speaking, but some refused to believe [G569]."
[same word as in Acts 17:34, quoted and included in the underlined in my post above (TDW: not shown in this post)]
G569 ēpistoun ['refused to believe' or 'disbelieved'] (from Acts 28:24, also quoted in my post above) -
[quoting from BibleHub]
Cognate: 569 apistéō (from 571 /ápistos, "unfaithful," without faith, i.e. negating 4103 /pistós, "faithful") – properly, refusing to be persuaded by God ("betray His trust," J. Thayer).
569 /apistéō ("not willing to be persuaded") means more than "disbelieve" ("not believing") because it indicates "refusing to be faithful" (honor a trust or revelation from the Lord). See 571 (apistos).
569/apisteō ("refuse to be persuaded") is sin committed by believers (Mk 16:11; Lk 24:11,41) and unbelievers (Ac 28:24; Ro 3:3; 1 Pet 2:7). 569 (apistéō) reveals a person is unconvinced when they should be persuaded by what the Lord has done (offered).
[end quoting BibleHub]
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Recall also the verse that says, "So faith is from [ek / ex] hearing, and hearing through [/by means of] the word of Christ." Rom10:17 [some versions say, "by [means of] the word of God"]