And I can't remember if you were a Member back when I posted the following (in some old thread around here
):
[quoting that post]
Luke 7:29-30 - "29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John. 30 But the Pharisees and lawyers
rejected the counsel [G1012 - boulēn] of God against [as to / unto] themselves, being not baptized [having not been baptized] of him."
--G1012 - boulēn - used also in Ephesians 1:11, the verse Calvinists use to say "no one can reject/resist" THIS, God's
decreed [determined-plan]
will [G1012]... yet Luke 7:30 clearly says the Pharisees and lawyers "
rejected the
boulēn G1012 of God..." (which, for that time
then in existence, the decreed-will of God was:
"the baptism of John" [see Acts 18:
25,26-27 re: 'the way of God more perfectly']).
The point being, they did indeed "
reject the
boulēn G1012 of God". Something that Calvinists say is impossible.
From Bible Hub:
Definition: counsel, deliberate wisdom, decree.
HELPS Word-studies
1012
boulḗ – properly, a resolved plan, used particularly of the immutable aspect of God's plan – purposefully arranging all physical circumstances, which guarantees every scene of life works to His eternal purpose.
This level of God's plan (1012 /
boulḗ) demonstrates He is the Lord of history, i.e. always in charge!
[1012 (
boulḗ) is more than God's immutable plan of physical circumstances. It always also includes the Lord's purpose in them – and hence arranging all the physical scenes of history before creation (Ps 139:16; Jn 1:3).]
[and, quoting from BibleHub]
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 1014
boúlomai – to plan with full resolve (determination). See 1012 (
boulē).
1014 /
boúlomai ("resolutely plan") is a strong term that underlines the predetermined (and determined) intention driving the planning (wishing, resolving). In contrast, 2309 (
thélō) focuses on the desire ("wishfulness") behind making an offer (cf. TDNT, 1, 629).
[While God's "
thelō-offers" can be rejected (see 2309 /
thélō), His 1014 /
boúlomai ("planning") always works out His purpose, especially in conjunction with presetting the physical scenes of history.]
[end quotes from BibleHub]
They clearly "
rejected the
boulēn G1012 of God," according to that text.
One might think to answer, well they are just doing what comes naturally (to natural man),
but that is to miss the point. The point is, Calvinists say that "no one can reject/resist
-->His
'boule / boulen [G1012]' will (that is to say, His 'decreed' will)." But Luke 7:30 says these clearly did so.
And I agree with those saying that "Calvinism" and "Arminianism" are NOT the only options.
[end quoting that post]