Does religion freedom legitimize discrimination?

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ColinCat

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Religion or not, for some reason we will always look for a divide. Whether it be the colour of our skin, the country we were born, gender, age, the beliefs we have, our sexual orientation, wealth, employment status or simply if you have an Xbox or a PlayStation. For some reason there is something innate in us that looks to separate us all into different groups Due to both major and minor things.

Is there a religious explanation for this? I'm not talking about good or evil or right and wrong.. Just the seemingly innate want to separate somehow.
 
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DesiredHaven

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lumberjack said:
Agreed.. same goes for non christians.
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Why would you cut this part of her post out?

Mary96 said:
Christians should NOT be forced to do something they do not stand for. But they should always remember love your neighbor so yourself.
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Unless neighbor cant mean non christian?
 
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Joshua_Generation

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I have worked side by side with atheists, God-haters, and other types of people who truly believed I was/am nuts for believing God. Many became friends despite that. When I was a business owner, I didn't even ask customers religious beliefs before serving them. There was no purpose.

BUT, as a business owner, there was a line in the sand. I did secretarial services as one aspect of my business. I helped a guy write down his rant on life, knowing I didn't agree with a word he wanted. I would not have helped him if those words were words of hate to another to be given to that person/group. That was my line in the sand.

My brother married the woman he cheated with. There was no more chance of talking him out of that than a chance of talking him out of divorcing his wife. I knew the woman would become my sister-in-law. She is part of my family with love; however, I would not go to their wedding.

There is a line in the sand. There is a difference between hate and can't-do-it that often revolves around the God we serve. (I also can't-do-it when it comes to touching insects too, but that's a different kind of can't-do-it. lol) If Jesus went to a homosexual wedding, the wedding wouldn't have happened. The couple would have been saved instead. We don't get that kind of power, so there is something to say for lines in the sand.
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I totally agree here and this is such a great post and pure wisdom

I have watched in horror as Christians say:
I am not going to a homosexual wedding because their perverted lifestyle is a SIN.

I have told homosexuals and Lesbians, I cannot go to your wedding because my world view defines marriage as between a man and a woman. They know my witness, yet they are not offended and I have kept my love walk in place and my line in the sand is based on my Biblical worldview, which states, what if what the Bible says is true, then what would I expect to see? I would expect to see that God has created, defined and commissioned marriage as between a man and a woman.

Christians get into to trouble and into the ditch when they improperly interpret scripture and then decide they are the Holy Spirit.

The same is true for debating evolutionists. There are no creation facts and no evolution facts, there are only facts.
My worldview on creation is based on the Bible, so I have to ask, what if what the Bible says is actually true, then what would I expect to see? I would expect to see a fossil record that is consistent with a world wide flood that covered the entire earth.
 
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Elin

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ColinCat said:
Religion or not, for some reason we will always look for a divide. Whether it be the colour of our skin, the country we were born, gender, age, the beliefs we have, our sexual orientation, wealth, employment status or simply if you have an Xbox or a PlayStation. For some reason there is something innate in us that looks to separate us all into different groups Due to both major and minor things.

Is there a religious explanation for this? I'm not talking about good or evil or right and wrong.. Just the seemingly innate want to separate somehow.
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It's rooted in the fundamental separation of good and evil, right and wrong.

It's the nature of life in a fallen sinful world.
 
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DesiredHaven

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lumberjack said:

Because it spoke to me most.
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You snipped out her words (which were Jesus words) responded with "agreed" then reworded the mention of neighbour as if she failed to mention a non christian (in her/ Jesus use of neighbor).

As if Jesus was mistaken and loving ones neighbour was exclusuive rather then inclusive of the non christian.

She put the second commandments as Jesus did

Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself,

It was like deleting Jesus words and adding your own in the place of his.



 
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lumberjack

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No offense, but I think you're reading way too much into my post.
 
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kaylagrl

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So show me where Jesus was offensive to the sinner?

He was offensive to religious people not the sinner. This is something the church has always forgotten.

When they brough in the woman who committed Adultery Jesus did not condemn her, yet the church did
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Jesus didnt condemn her.He told sinners,"go thy way and sin no more".He didn't accept their sin.He pointed it out,forgave them and told them to sin no more.
 
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kaylagrl

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Joshua_Generation said:
Christians in the USA always apply natural resolutions to supernatural problems and the result is stupid laws like we are witnessing in Indiana.

I also think Christians in the USA have resorted to who can shout the loudest.

Jesus called you to love the sinner and be as wise as a serpent and innocent as doves.

I translate that to be: Be loving and warm and not weird or stupid.

Sadly, I see unloving, cold , weird and stupid Christians everywhere.

The Love walk should be preached in every church for 3 months.
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Bit of a judgmental comment there. I disagree with homosexuality,that doesn't mean I hate anyone.You are judging a person to say because you disagree with a lifestyle choice that you hate them.I dont agree with people living together before marriage.I have a cousin I love dearly who told me he prayed about it and felt there was nothing wrong with living together.I told him simply that the Bible doesn't agree with it. He did what he wanted to do and nothing between us ever changed.
 
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Joshua_Generation

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kaylagrl said:
Jesus didnt condemn her.He told sinners,"go thy way and sin no more".He didn't accept their sin.He pointed it out,forgave them and told them to sin no more.
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I never said he did not accept her SIN I said he did not condemn her because of her SINS. I see plenty of church peeps condemning people for their SINS and that is my point. Some Christians think they are using tough love and have not figured out their love is judgement and condemnation not tough love.

Besides my comment was made to illustrate, that he was not offensive in his methods, when dealing with her and not if he was accepting her SINS or not.
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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Joshua_Generation said:
I never said he did not accept her SIN I said he did not condemn her because of her SINS. I see plenty of church peeps condemning people for their SINS and that is my point. Some Christians think they are using tough love and have not figured out their love is judgement and condemnation not tough love.
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Amen, Josh. Christians are generally too quick to condemn sin not only among the lost, but among our fellow believers as well. The church is the only organization that shoots its own wounded.

We are called to restore, not condemn. Far too many brothers and sisters haven't figured that out -- and please note, I'm not talking about anyone in particular here -- and many of them have been in the faith since they were children.
 
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Joshua_Generation

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kaylagrl said:
Bit of a judgmental comment there. I disagree with homosexuality,that doesn't mean I hate anyone.You are judging a person to say because you disagree with a lifestyle choice that you hate them.I dont agree with people living together before marriage.I have a cousin I love dearly who told me he prayed about it and felt there was nothing wrong with living together.I told him simply that the Bible doesn't agree with it. He did what he wanted to do and nothing between us ever changed.
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Did you see my post #45? Below is part of it:

I have watched in horror as Christians say:
I am not going to a homosexual wedding because their perverted lifestyle is a SIN.

I have told homosexuals and Lesbians, I cannot go to your wedding because my world view defines marriage as between a man and a woman. They know my witness, yet they are not offended and I have kept my love walk in place and my line in the sand is based on my Biblical worldview, which states, what if what the Bible says is true, then what would I expect to see? I would expect to see that God has created, defined and commissioned marriage as between a man and a woman.
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I know many who say what you do kayla:

"I disagree with homosexuality,that doesn't mean I hate anyone."

Perhaps you relaly mean that, but do your actions and words back that up?

You show me where in the Bible, that Jesus planned and instructed us to perform an anti-sinners rally, to protest against their living in SIN rally, had the girls in his group make up signs with pet verses from the Old Testament, then lead a group of emotionally charged disciples to the sinners areas of town and shouted them down and attempted to convince them of their sins. SHOW ME where that method of ministry is found in the Gospels.

Be careful here, because the only time Jesus confronted people, where when the relgiious bigots of his day came around.
Jesus was offensive to religion and showed us that it is religion that comes to steal, kill and destroy.

So Yes, I exhort Christians to be more like Jesus and grow in their love walk, if and when this happens we will see a profound change in the world. Christians in the USA have a lot of growing up to do.
 
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Joshua_Generation

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Viligant_Warrior said:
Amen, Josh. Christians are generally too quick to condemn sin not only among the lost, but among our fellow believers as well. The church is the only organization that shoots its own wounded.

We are called to restore, not condemn. Far too many brothers and sisters haven't figured that out -- and please note, I'm not talking about anyone in particular here -- and many of them have been in the faith since they were children.
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I wish I could like this more than once, so I spread some around instead.

Just to add to this, this is exactly what Jesus did in John 8 with the woman. He did not condemn her, he rescued and restored her.
 
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The way things are in this old world today, were a person to open a business and refuse to serve adulterers,, he would be hard pressed to have legitimate customers.

If one is guilty of breaking any point of the law, he has broken all of the law. People, please understand this teaching from the Word.

So many, on the one hand say they live under grace adn not the law, yet these same foks are the first to scream sin (breaking any law) and some kind of right to descriminate dreamed up by hypocrites comes into play.

Allo wh believe the Bible is the law of the land do not know their history, their constitution or the Word.

If people want the law of the Word, all of th elaw to be in effect, I am afraid they would need to all move to Israel and set up the theocracy that has been gone since before our Lord, Jesus Christ, came to walk His earth, to deliver the good news of His Godspl, th only Gospel, anddie on a cross for all who believe Him.

Read mysignature. God bless all who are in Jesus Christ, amen.
 
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Joshua_Generation

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JaumeJ said:
The way things are in this old world today, were a person to open a business and refuse to serve adulterers,, he would be hard pressed to have legitimate customers.

If one is guilty of breaking any point of the law, he has broken all of the law. People, please understand this teaching from the Word.

So many, on the one hand say they live under grace adn not the law, yet these same foks are the first to scream sin (breaking any law) and some kind of right to descriminate dreamed up by hypocrites comes into play.

Allo wh believe the Bible is the law of the land do not know their history, their constitution or the Word.

If people want the law of the Word, all of th elaw to be in effect, I am afraid they would need to all move to Israel and set up the theocracy that has been gone since before our Lord, Jesus Christ, came to walk His earth, to deliver the good news of His Godspl, th only Gospel, anddie on a cross for all who believe Him.

Read mysignature. God bless all who are in Jesus Christ, amen.
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This is really a great point.

So I wonder if Christians are willing to also refuse service to those who lie, steal, murder, wow JaumeJ good stuff right here
 
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DesiredHaven

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PennEd posted this in the news section I agree with both his point in respects to the false discrimination and even with the muslims (who are agreeable with service but only up unto a certain point)

Which is shown on this one

[video=youtube;RgWIhYAtan4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgWIhYAtan4[/video]
 
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lumberjack

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Gosh, those drama queens shouldn't make sucha fuss,
they should just buy a plain cake and icing and write "Adam and Steve" on it themselves.


[... and make a picture of it to send the baker afterwards] :D
 
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kaylagrl

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Joshua_Generation said:
I never said he did not accept her SIN I said he did not condemn her because of her SINS. I see plenty of church peeps condemning people for their SINS and that is my point. Some Christians think they are using tough love and have not figured out their love is judgement and condemnation not tough love.

Besides my comment was made to illustrate, that he was not offensive in his methods, when dealing with her and not if he was accepting her SINS or not.
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I agree there is a fine line between jumping people and disagreeing with sin. I understand the "holier than thou" attitude is not one a Christian should have.We are all saved by grace and Gods mercy. But we cant condone sin either.But if we are attending a church that preaches the truth we should all be convicted of sin and be repenting.
 
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kaylagrl

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Joshua_Generation said:
Did you see my post #45? Below is part of it:





I know many who say what you do kayla:

"I disagree with homosexuality,that doesn't mean I hate anyone."

Perhaps you relaly mean that, but do your actions and words back that up?

You show me where in the Bible, that Jesus planned and instructed us to perform an anti-sinners rally, to protest against their living in SIN rally, had the girls in his group make up signs with pet verses from the Old Testament, then lead a group of emotionally charged disciples to the sinners areas of town and shouted them down and attempted to convince them of their sins. SHOW ME where that method of ministry is found in the Gospels.

Be careful here, because the only time Jesus confronted people, where when the relgiious bigots of his day came around.
Jesus was offensive to religion and showed us that it is religion that comes to steal, kill and destroy.

So Yes, I exhort Christians to be more like Jesus and grow in their love walk, if and when this happens we will see a profound change in the world. Christians in the USA have a lot of growing up to do.
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If you are talking about Westboro we'll get that out of the way up front.I do not consider them Christians,I consider them a cult and no more. Jesus confronted sin.Did He attack the sinner? No.But He confronted sin.So if you are talking about a person attacking an unbeliever then I would not agree with someone doing that.But John the Baptist lost his head for some reason,Im pretty sure it was confronting sin.



ps. I dont hate homosexuals just because I dont agree with them.And yes I really,really do believe that.
 
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