Does the Holy Spirit convict the born again believer of sin?

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eternally-gratefull

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So you have no actual rebuttal, other than that?

Jesus was perfect. By what standard was He perfect? The only standard the Jews knew, The Law. So how else and what else would He teach? He was called Rabbi, teacher and Master. Those were rabbinical titles, do you think they would give those titles to someone who was teaching something else?

Even Nicodemus, who was chief among the pharisees called him Rabbi, teacher come from God.

I am sorry you don't see it, I however will not falsely say that the host that looks down from heaven is shuddering for you right now.

Hey bro, she is at war with what she calls hypergrace, nothing you say will be heard from her, she thinks it is her mission to defeat people who rely on the grace of God for salvation, for this reason, until she settles down she will. To hear a word any of us say,

It is sad, but this war started by a few members has affected the whole chatroom, many have been affected by it, and drawn into it, and have sadly stopped being themselves, people who at one time where a pleasure to talk to and discuss, even if we disagreed, have become s far out there they have lost vision of what people really even say, so they can't see it,
 
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eternally-gratefull

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So you have no actual rebuttal, other than that?

Jesus was perfect. By what standard was He perfect? The only standard the Jews knew, The Law. So how else and what else would He teach? He was called Rabbi, teacher and Master. Those were rabbinical titles, do you think they would give those titles to someone who was teaching something else?

Even Nicodemus, who was chief among the pharisees called him Rabbi, teacher come from God.

I am sorry you don't see it, I however will not falsely say that the host that looks down from heaven is shuddering for you right now.

he also taught foegiveness outsde outside the law lets not forget, he had to teach his disciples grace so they would be ready to teach it when he left,
 

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oh you wanted a rebuttal?

I can serve that up too

understand I have been serving it up long before you got here and it gets really really old

but I will humor you since you asked so nicely :rolleyes:

one thing at this moment though...first of all you say Jesus was speaking to the Jews so we don't have to apply what He said cause He was teaching 'law'

now however, you use Nicodemus and say that even he called Jesus Rabbi

Jesus is STILL everyone's Rabbi


what a perfect example of the many holes easy grace crawls in and out of.

first of all, we are told don't listen to Jesus...now we use Nicodemus and want to call Jesus Rabbi

you cannot make this stuff up! :p
Please show me where I say you "Jesus was speaking to the Jews so we don't have to apply what he said cause he was teaching the law."

You stated before that it troubled you when people put words in your mouth. But you just did it to me.
 

NayborBear

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Although I must disagree with you that a true convert remains worldly, I wish to address the above.

That fault of those who remain stunted in their growth lies with at least two persons: themselves and their pastor.

It's been said by many pastors to their congregations for years: "Today I am preaching milk to you, bottom shelf theology, putting the cookie jar, theologically speaking on the bottom shelf!" (They say this as if they should receive praise for stooping so low for others off of their high theological pedestal!)

And they've done this for years, feeding them milk, and then wonder why a Christian of 30 years in church still has the head of an infant and the same mentality, spiritually speaking.

Perhaps the pastors themselves haven't begun to understand the Word and meat of the Word, and aren't yet weaned themselves?

I agree and disagree with ya here preacher. Agree, there are some pastors, let's call 'em blind, that have not yet, or, are unable to "pass on" any, or all of the "expierience" of one being confessed by Jesus to His Father! After all, it wasn't Jesus who created us, correct? Jesus is God, yes! Yet, in the O.T. Genesis...It wasn't Jesus who created the heavens and the earth correct? It wasn't Jesus who's Spirit moved upon the waters, correct?

I have to disagree with ya, that there are some "churches of stone", in some "communities", that certainly DISSUADE, ANY pastor, delving into these "deeper" spiritual endeavors, or maturations, or confessings unto the Father! As certainly as the pope is catholic, going into these "areas", spreads abject fear in the hearts of (seemingly) enough of a particular "church of stone" that even the mere mention, would expose those, who "keep the place going". Should a believer "sense" something like this is afoot?....A very good "signal" of this, can be the 'ol "revovling door", in a preacher's/pastor's "length of time" within that particular "church of stone." And a believer should run from the premises!

and then, there are the "hirelings". And I've seen these as well. Salesmen, who probably started out selling encyclopedia's, and found it a more lucrative endeavor of their skill set, in just switching the product, to Jesus! Very Shallow people!! Not a whole lot of difference between these "types", and lawyers, or politicians, save for their "legalistic" behavior. And, again, a believer who "senses" this?...RUN, from these "hands of full of well pleasers, and mouths full of MUCH OBLIGED!

Because, in the examples I listed, a believer who "sees" these kinds/types, in any particular "church of stone?", and feel they are not "being fed?" Because, they are already being confessed by Jesus to the Father? Are likely, in the hands of "harvesting angels", on the floor of the "threshing room", and/or, in the Hands of the Lord of the Harvest. And, believers, young and old need to "come to grips" with this/these "procedures." and act, or witness accordingly, to what they are experiencing. Just as this believer here, is doing, and has been trying to do for the past 3 years er so.
 
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Mat 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Mat 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

Mat 11:5 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.

Mat 5:2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
Mat 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Mat 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Mat 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Mat 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Mat 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Mat 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Salt and Light
Mat 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
Mat 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Mat 5:15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
Mat 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Mat 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
Mat 12:2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
Mat 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Mat 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Jesus would of had to obey the law as a human being,but also taught the New Testament way,for that was His purpose for coming to earth to preach the Gospel,and His main priority was to preach the Gospel.

Is there people that think we do not have to listen to Jesus when He is God,and some people are so relaxed in their walk with God that they want to hear everything in such a manner as to never be able to fall,or stumble,although the Bible warns it can happen if they do not take heed to do what is right,and have no responsibility,and sin does not affect their relationship with God,and cover all the bases so that if they are lazy it does not matter,if they sin they are alright,if they engage in worldliness,and fleshy pleasures,they are unscathed.

Gal 6:3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
Gal 6:4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
Gal 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden.
Gal 6:6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Gal 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

But Jesus said whatever is in the heart is what comes out for it is our thoughts,and actions,that define who we are.For some people think they are clean despite their thoughts,and actions,that are not right,but if they think sin,and do sin,then that is what is in their heart,then how are they clean at all times.

And there is millions of people that claim Christ that live in a worldly fashion,for they will not let go of the world,and its ways.

Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2Co 10:6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
 
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Please show me where I say you "Jesus was speaking to the Jews so we don't have to apply what he said cause he was teaching the law."

You stated before that it troubled you when people put words in your mouth. But you just did it to me.
this teaching regarding Jesus is teaching law but Paul teaches grace is straight off a hyper grace site

I won't mention who started this in this forum, but you seem to be parroting what he states

maybe you could explain why you think Paul teaches grace and Jesus teaches law

you do not respond to my post questions...you divert and try to make it seem I am saying something false

be careful here. we can all read what you actually posted with regards to preferring the teaching of Paul over Jesus

saying Jesus taught law and Paul taught grace cancels what you say Jesus taught...do you not see that?

just how much of Jesus teaching do you think we should cancel out by what Paul taught?
 

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I'm not sure I'm understanding everyone here correctly...but in my opinion how else are we supposed to learn? I mean, the Holy Ghost was sent to teach us and remind of Jesus teachings. So doesn't it make sense that it will correct us and let us know when we are doing wrong...so that we can learn to do right.

Just take the disciples for example, Jesus rebuked them many times...out of love and to teach them right from wrong. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not above rebuke myself...and I would rather feel conviction and learn from it than not. Just my thoughts on it, anyhow.
 
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Mat 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Mat 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

Mat 11:5 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.

Mat 5:2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
Mat 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Mat 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Mat 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Mat 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Mat 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Mat 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Salt and Light
Mat 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
Mat 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Mat 5:15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
Mat 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Mat 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
Mat 12:2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
Mat 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Mat 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Jesus would of had to obey the law as a human being,but also taught the New Testament way,for that was His purpose for coming to earth to preach the Gospel,and His main priority was to preach the Gospel.

Is there people that think we do not have to listen to Jesus when He is God,and some people are so relaxed in their walk with God that they want to hear everything in such a manner as to never be able to fall,or stumble,although the Bible warns it can happen if they do not take heed to do what is right,and have no responsibility,and sin does not affect their relationship with God,and cover all the bases so that if they are lazy it does not matter,if they sin they are alright,if they engage in worldliness,and fleshy pleasures,they are unscathed.

Gal 6:3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
Gal 6:4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
Gal 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden.
Gal 6:6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Gal 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

But Jesus said whatever is in the heart is what comes out for it is our thoughts,and actions,that define who we are.For some people think they are clean despite their thoughts,and actions,that are not right,but if they think sin,and do sin,then that is what is in their heart,then how are they clean at all times.

And there is millions of people that claim Christ that live in a worldly fashion,for they will not let go of the world,and its ways.

Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2Co 10:6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

exactly.

thank you for these scriptures

Jesus preached the GOSPEL of the kingdom...His words are valid and it is false to say otherwise

how people can present Jesus as 'only' a teacher of the law illustrates what happens when you follow false teaching

you end up ignoring what Jesus taught and tell yourself you don't have to confess your sins because Paul taught grace

it boggles the mind how that comparison is made. they are comparing the author of the Bible with a man and saying the man is who we should listen to
 

Limey410v2

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this teaching regarding Jesus is teaching law but Paul teaches grace is straight off a hyper grace site

I won't mention who started this in this forum, but you seem to be parroting what he states

maybe you could explain why you think Paul teaches grace and Jesus teaches law

you do not respond to my post questions...you divert and try to make it seem I am saying something false

be careful here. we can all read what you actually posted with regards to preferring the teaching of Paul over Jesus

saying Jesus taught law and Paul taught grace cancels what you say Jesus taught...do you not see that?

just how much of Jesus teaching do you think we should cancel out by what Paul taught?
What did God teach in the OT? Do you follow the Law? His words are most certainly still applicable.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I'm not sure I'm understanding everyone here correctly...but in my opinion how else are we supposed to learn? I mean, the Holy Ghost was sent to teach us and remind of Jesus teachings. So doesn't it make sense that it will correct us and let us know when we are doing wrong...so that we can learn to do right.

Just take the disciples for example, Jesus rebuked them many times...out of love and to teach them right from wrong. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not above rebuke myself...and I would rather feel conviction and learn from it than not. Just my thoughts on it, anyhow.

Convicting the world of sin, and correcting a false belief, or show us a new doctrine, is not the same.

not sure what your trying to say sis.



 
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I hear where you're coming from. And I do believe it is all about faith, even in the OT, as I wrote you before.

I do believe we have a part to play, I would say, "We call Him Lord by the faith He gives us."

But once we die and are reborn in Him, we now live BY faith because we are dead to the old.

Paul wrote, "Jesus is the AUTHOR and FINISHER of our faith. "

That's a pretty bold statement written by Paul.

Why do you think he wrote that?
Hebrews 12.1-3
Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, [SUP]2 [/SUP]fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For consider Him who has endured such hostility by sinners against Himself, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.

I believe this is a continuation from Hebrews 11 and Paul said Jesus is the AUTHOR and FINISHER of our faith to show us that Jesus is our example to continue to run our race with endurance and personal Faith as he did with his own faith.....

IOW, Paul said this to show us that Jesus ran his race with endurance and faith and so can we....

I do not believe this verse has anything to do with eternal security at all...many claim this, but they ignore the whole thought to make it work that way....This thought starts at Hebrews 11.1 and concludes at Hebrews 12.3
 
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Theses scriptures that speak of faith in Jesus, and faith of Jesus. There's one scripture that says both. There's a difference between in and of. Why then?
Gal 2.20 most versions state FAITH IN..not faith OF as the King Jimmy says it...the King Jimmy and few other translations say Faith OF

NASB
"I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

KJB
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
 

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Convicting the world of sin, and correcting a false belief, or show us a new doctrine, is not the same.

not sure what your trying to say sis.



Like I said, I must really not understand what this conversation is about. Just saying, when I sin... I feel conviction and remorse for it. I think that is the Holy Spirit teaching me....I don't think the devil would want me to learn from it. He would like to keep us blinded to it...Imo
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Like I said, I must really not understand what this conversation is about. Just saying, when I sin... I feel conviction and remorse for it. I think that is the Holy Spirit teaching me....I don't think the devil would want me to learn from it. He would like to keep us blinded to it...Imo
I think that is your new nature and HS talking to you.. amen sis,

but I do not think that is what jesus meant when he said the HS will convict the world of sin, I think that is something else,

i also think that that is the discussion here? I could always be wrong..lol
 
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So you have no actual rebuttal, other than that?

Jesus was perfect. By what standard was He perfect? The only standard the Jews knew, The Law. So how else and what else would He teach? He was called Rabbi, teacher and Master. Those were rabbinical titles, do you think they would give those titles to someone who was teaching something else?

Even Nicodemus, who was chief among the pharisees called him Rabbi, teacher come from God.

I am sorry you don't see it, I however will not falsely say that the host that looks down from heaven is shuddering for you right now.
If Jesus was simply talking law.....then the people would not have made comments that he taught as one having authority, and not like the scribes or pharisees...If Jesus was simply talking law.....the pharisees and scribes would not want to kill him.....If Jesus was simply talking law......then the sermon on the mount means nothing to us and is not prophesying forth the new man in Christ...If Jesus was simply talking law.....he would have never healed on the Sabbath....If Jesus was simply talking law....he would have no power to forgive sin before and while hanging on the cross........If Jesus was simply talking law...nobody would have been healed or delivered and no miracles would take place....If Jesus was simply talking law.....there would not be law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus and 2 new commands...love God and Love others.....

Gal 4.4-7
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, [SUP]5 [/SUP]so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” [SUP]7 [/SUP]Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God

If Jesus was simply talking law he could have never redeemed those under the law....
 
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Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Joh 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
Joh 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

I believe the Holy Spirit convicts the world concerning unbelief in Jesus Christ,for without Jesus Christ no one can completely give up sins,and if you break the least of the commandments,then you broke them all.

So it is unbelief in Jesus Christ they need to be convicted of,for if they accept Him,and understand His lifestyle of goodness,their sins will be washed away,and they will not want to sin.

But God hates sin,so if a person is led of the Spirit the Spirit would relate to them how terrible sin is,but since we live for Christ,and know His goodness,we would convict ourselves also for we want to be like Christ.

And someone that truly loves Christ might sin,but it will be in small things,and we might not feel as bad about it,as when we first came to God,because we had a lot more sins to confess,and get rid of,then if we sin once in a great while,for all our sins are gone from the past,and no need to keep feeling bad about them,although we are sorry about doing them.
 

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If Jesus was simply talking law.....then the people would not have made comments that he taught as one having authority, and not like the scribes or pharisees...If Jesus was simply talking law.....the pharisees and scribes would not want to kill him.....If Jesus was simply talking law......then the sermon on the mount means nothing to us and is not prophesying forth the new man in Christ...If Jesus was simply talking law.....he would have never healed on the Sabbath....If Jesus was simply talking law....he would have no power to forgive sin before and while hanging on the cross........If Jesus was simply talking law...nobody would have been healed or delivered and no miracles would take place....If Jesus was simply talking law.....there would not be law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus and 2 new commands...love God and Love others.....

Gal 4.4-7
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, [SUP]5 [/SUP]so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” [SUP]7 [/SUP]Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God

If Jesus was simply talking law he could have never redeemed those under the law....
He didn't teach pharisaic law, that is why the Pharisees wanted Him dead.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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What did God teach in the OT? Do you follow the Law? His words are most certainly still applicable.

oh this is priceless

LOL!

you cannot answer what I asked because you perceive you have painted yourself into a corner with no door so you go all legalistic and try to claim I am doing that

listen limey

you declared Jesus is preaching law...YOU said that. not me

Matt kindly posted scriptures which put the lie to that statement

JESUS PREACHED THE GOSPEL which you and several others here want to deny and actually attempt to do so but when the truth is served up you change tactics

you are simply grasping at a big helium balloon with no truth
 
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He didn't teach pharisaic law, that is why the Pharisees wanted Him dead.
man you really need to study the word

again, they called Jesus a devil and said His father was the devil

they wanted to stone Him because He equated Himself with God, meaning equal

you do not know what you are talking about


anything to say about the Sadducees?

what exactly do you think the Pharisees were discussing with Jesus? where did they get this law> Craigs list?