Does the Holy Spirit convict the born again believer of sin?
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Sometimes we misunderstand each other. I think where we end up disagreeing (not you and me), but just different works vs grace mindsets is when we say something like: salvation produces works. And people come in and say yeah it does, BUT... and then sneak in some mindset that makes it faith plus works = salvation.
It's faith, always been faith, always will be faith. Faith is the only thing that pleases Him. Obedience is having faith in Him. And having faith in Him produces salvation. As a result of salvation we produce works because of who we are in Him.
So the big elephant is this: why do some not have good works AFTER salvation?
1. Some argue it's because they aren't really saved. Scripture confirms this.
2. Some argue it's because their minds aren't really renewed. Scripture confirms this.
3. Some argue it's because they willfully disobey God. This is one I struggle to agree with because people disobey God because of lies. If we knew better, we would ALWAYS desire His ways. So the issue is knowing the truth. And that's why it sets us free.
Why do I say this? Because I don't believe in sinless perfection in regards to we CAN'T sin. The mere presence of Scripture shows us that true believers needed to be reminded who they are in Christ and then given steps of application to produce their identity. So yes, we CAN sin, but it's stupid. And the more we understand how good, kind, and loving our Father is the more we realize how stupid it is to do our own flesh-lead thing - this leads to repentance (or turning to God) - and we realize how good His ways are. And this is growing up in Christ through discipleship.
I think the issues come when we try to make A = B, when really there are a lot of pieces to the puzzle when we take Scripture as a whole. I am probably one of the loudest exhorters of how we need to love one another. I am all for good works. ALL for them. In fact, I think we minimize sin because Scripture says ANYTHING not of faith is sin. Those who think that faith plus works are needed probably don't have a clue what good works really are. So that's when I start to change my tone to show them self-righteousness is exactly what is stopping them from doing what they desire (exactly as Paul explains in Romans 7).
What *I* desire I can not do...
Well you're dead to you.. now you're alive to Him... and you are part of something bigger than just yourself.
Now you're apart of His Body, joined to His Head, lead by His Spirit. Now you're ONE with Him. It's not what *I* can do, but what HE can do by the power of His Spirit.
We ARE His Holy temple. And let NO man call unholy what He calls holy.
It's faith, always been faith, always will be faith. Faith is the only thing that pleases Him. Obedience is having faith in Him. And having faith in Him produces salvation. As a result of salvation we produce works because of who we are in Him.
So the big elephant is this: why do some not have good works AFTER salvation?
1. Some argue it's because they aren't really saved. Scripture confirms this.
2. Some argue it's because their minds aren't really renewed. Scripture confirms this.
3. Some argue it's because they willfully disobey God. This is one I struggle to agree with because people disobey God because of lies. If we knew better, we would ALWAYS desire His ways. So the issue is knowing the truth. And that's why it sets us free.
Why do I say this? Because I don't believe in sinless perfection in regards to we CAN'T sin. The mere presence of Scripture shows us that true believers needed to be reminded who they are in Christ and then given steps of application to produce their identity. So yes, we CAN sin, but it's stupid. And the more we understand how good, kind, and loving our Father is the more we realize how stupid it is to do our own flesh-lead thing - this leads to repentance (or turning to God) - and we realize how good His ways are. And this is growing up in Christ through discipleship.
I think the issues come when we try to make A = B, when really there are a lot of pieces to the puzzle when we take Scripture as a whole. I am probably one of the loudest exhorters of how we need to love one another. I am all for good works. ALL for them. In fact, I think we minimize sin because Scripture says ANYTHING not of faith is sin. Those who think that faith plus works are needed probably don't have a clue what good works really are. So that's when I start to change my tone to show them self-righteousness is exactly what is stopping them from doing what they desire (exactly as Paul explains in Romans 7).
What *I* desire I can not do...
Well you're dead to you.. now you're alive to Him... and you are part of something bigger than just yourself.
Now you're apart of His Body, joined to His Head, lead by His Spirit. Now you're ONE with Him. It's not what *I* can do, but what HE can do by the power of His Spirit.
We ARE His Holy temple. And let NO man call unholy what He calls holy.
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He speaks of me because I believe the following....
a. Jesus is the beginner and finisher of our faith
b. Faith is a spiritual gift
c. God deals to every man a measure of faith (believers)
d. Jesus will complete that Good work of faith he began in us
Since JESUS is the source of our faith, starts our faith, finishes out faith, completes our faith, deals it out in measure our salvation is secure in Christ.
From faith to faith it is written the just shall live by faith
and
Even when we believe not (after being saved) he abides faithful and cannot deny himself.
Since men do not posses (saving faith) and the above are true then the faith that saves us, and the source of the faith that saves us is Christ<---the beginner and finisher of our faith.
a. Jesus is the beginner and finisher of our faith
b. Faith is a spiritual gift
c. God deals to every man a measure of faith (believers)
d. Jesus will complete that Good work of faith he began in us
Since JESUS is the source of our faith, starts our faith, finishes out faith, completes our faith, deals it out in measure our salvation is secure in Christ.
From faith to faith it is written the just shall live by faith
and
Even when we believe not (after being saved) he abides faithful and cannot deny himself.
Since men do not posses (saving faith) and the above are true then the faith that saves us, and the source of the faith that saves us is Christ<---the beginner and finisher of our faith.
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I hear where you're coming from. And I do believe it is all about faith, even in the OT, as I wrote you before.
I do believe we have a part to play, I would say, "We call Him Lord by the faith He gives us."
But once we die and are reborn in Him, we now live BY faith because we are dead to the old.
Paul wrote, "Jesus is the AUTHOR and FINISHER of our faith. "
That's a pretty bold statement written by Paul.
Why do you think he wrote that?
I do believe we have a part to play, I would say, "We call Him Lord by the faith He gives us."
But once we die and are reborn in Him, we now live BY faith because we are dead to the old.
Paul wrote, "Jesus is the AUTHOR and FINISHER of our faith. "
That's a pretty bold statement written by Paul.
Why do you think he wrote that?
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
It makes great sense when one reads this scripture.
It makes great sense when one reads this scripture.