DONE!

[eternally-gratefull]

I stay out of the discussions on tongues, and rapture/end times stuff, too, but that is not what this post is about I just was to say, EG, that I have noticed an improvement in how you deal with people, not that you back down from the Truth of your theological position (which I largely agree with), but that I perceive a decided difference in your attitude toward those you disagree with. This post is made in the hope of encouraging you further in that direction, and not meant to cause offense

Love you sis, And thank you!!

 

[kaylagrl]

Love you sis, And thank you!!

"This is my commandment, that ye love one another, that your joy may be full. "I think someone famous said that If we can't tolerate each other, how can we ever reach a world that is against all we believe?

 

[dcontroversal]

Not one person here doesn't believe they are sharing the truth. And yet none of us is in fellowship with the other. That ought to bother us. We all read the same Bible and pray to the same God (mostly) and yet we cannot speak to one another without screaming and we have no fellowship,nil. I'm wondering why anyone would come in here and think "ya, that's what I'd like to do this weekend, go spend my Sunday with these people". smh

I get along fine with many people in here.....the only ones that I will not embrace and or "get along with" are the ones that devaluing my Lord by their self saving, false gospel that equates to a dime store salvation that can be lost on a whim....or those that twist, embellish, reject context, verb tense, inspired words and truth on a grand scale.....or maybe the hypocrites that say peace, love and lets all get along while speaking out of both sides of their mouth......

And too be honest...I really do not care who thinks they are sharing truth...the bible has absolute truths that are easy enough to understand.......here is one such truth...

It pleased GOD by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE. <----do you see the words work, baptism, religious hoop jumping, church membership, sacraments, etc. in that verse?

Or how about the definition of ETERNAL or EVERLASTING as applied to LIFE?

Salvation that can be LOST or forfeit is NOT eternal....it is CONDITIONAL.....

SEE how simple it is to just embrace the truth GIVEN in the word....

 

[dcontroversal]

and here is a hard question for all the love love love people

if you all love so much, why put those who offend you on ignore?

why call names and be rude and say you know things about them, that you actually have no clue about but when that's all you got, that's all you got...nothing like an ad hominum attack when truth AND love fail you

the hypocrisy from some here who want to sing 'all you need is love' is telling. it tells us that they need something else a whole lot more than love cause it ain't working

make a bad stink in the room, ask who did it, then flounce off with your nose in the air

very convincing

You know.....I have apologized 4 maybe 5 times when I really got out of line with my rhetoric....and yet the person that called me a NAZI, COMMUNIST and a few other names, which ALSO mouthed MY FAMILY in the open forum has not apologized.....and she is still here saying LOVE, PEACE, lets ALL get along and LET our SPEECH be seasoned with GRACE and LOVE............

LOOK...I know I pour heat, and say very pointed things like cake taker, worker for, salvation loser and have said that a COMMENT was idiotic or something along those LINES....I have ALWAYS attacked doctrine....and I have ALWAYS admitted I am a hard and cut no slack....I also have no problem engaging people in the same manner that they engage me....

 

[dcontroversal]

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I think we'd all do well to consider this here in the BDF. Lots of opinions, but the way we tear each others hearts out in these discussions and the things that are said to a brother/sister in Christ here shows the real intent is to be right. If you believe what you believe so passionately (on either side) why are we all so angry?!Wouldn't you just say "I'll pray for you brother/sister, that God would reveal to you what he has to me". But no, we get this, the BDF and every time I come here I make a new enemy and I'm sorry I came. smh What a crying shame.

The thing is....I am angry at no one per se....and usually if something does peeve me off I state that I am peeved off....just because someone fires back at a false doctrine (perceived or not) it does not equate to anger.....and I will repeat it ONE MORE TIME....I HATE NO ONE ON THIS SITE, BUT I will emphatically DEFEND the word of GOD and fire on ANYONE that devalues JESUS, his work, his power, his promises.............and I will absolutely oppose anyone that twists, skews, embellishes the bible and or what I or anyone else has to say.........vehemently at that

 

[dcontroversal]

"This is my commandment, that ye love one another, that your joy may be full. "I think someone famous said that If we can't tolerate each other, how can we ever reach a world that is against all we believe?

By the actual TRUTH of the word of GOD and not some religiously twisted skewed version of the truth.....the power is in the message and NOT the messenger.....

 

[FollowHisSteps]

You used the term “working faith” with regards to the saved woman. I respectfully disagree completely.

It was faith, not working faith. She came to believe before being with Jesus. Jesus did not tell her she was saved because she did “works” at that moment, Jesus told her she was saved because of the magnitude of love, repentance and faith in her heart. But I thank you for your shared response.

Hi Light, thank you for you respectful disagreement.

I will quantify the concept I am trying to verbalise. A belief can be something one cannot act upon,
so whether you believe it or not does not affect anything about ones life.
On the other hand is the belief was the house you were is was going to collapse and you got out of
it before it happened, that is working faith. A change in outlook caused an action to take place.
So the womans faith in who Jesus was, caused her to honour Him in the way she did, that is working
faith for me. She is saved by faith, but it has consequences in her life. It is not the actions prove the
faith, rather the actions show the faith that exists already.

Put this another way, if the faith was dead, nothing would appear. If the faith is alive and working,
it will always produce results.

Jesus talked about how a seed has to die to produce life, so the word of God produces life within us.

 

[kaylagrl]

I get along fine with many people in here.....the only ones that I will not embrace and or "get along with" are the ones that devaluing my Lord by their self saving, false gospel that equates to a dime store salvation that can be lost on a whim....or those that twist, embellish, reject context, verb tense, inspired words and truth on a grand scale.....or maybe the hypocrites that say peace, love and lets all get along while speaking out of both sides of their mouth...…

Just so we're straight here, I, like you, am talking generalities. Of course you can't agree with people preaching a false Gospel and heresy. Now as far as OSAS I have two issues that no one has yet cleared up for me. One is the idea that God created a section people to be destroyed. A group of people that cannot accept God, no matter what. That is directly against what Scripture says. The Bible says whosoever will. So that's one and two is the idea that a person can live like hell and will still inherit heaven. Like my pastor friend. He's sleeping in his mistresses bed, he walked away from his wife,children and shook his fist at God and according to OSAS he's still going to heaven. That is what I would call cheapening grace. Now before you jump down my throat, KINDLY tell me if you don't believe that and what I'm missing.



And too be honest...I really do not care who thinks they are sharing truth...

Ya, but DC so does everyone else here believe they are sharing the truth and you're an idiot, lost or demonic for not seeing it their way, it gets old.


the bible has absolute truths that are easy enough to understand...

Yep, I'd agree. Yet you and I can't agree on the simple subject of salvation. I believe I'm right, you believe you're right. And I hear you saying "well the Bible is right". Good, you have verses that prove your POV and I have the same and over 1000 pages later and people still cannot agree.



here is one such truth...

It pleased GOD by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE. <----do you see the words work, baptism, religious hoop jumping, church membership, sacraments, etc. in that verse?

I never said baptism saves you, nor does tongues and certainly not church membership.


Or how about the definition of ETERNAL or EVERLASTING as applied to LIFE?

Salvation that can be LOST or forfeit is NOT eternal....it is CONDITIONAL.....

SEE how simple it is to just embrace the truth GIVEN in the word....


Salvation cannot be lost, never said it could. Yes, you have eternal security, no one can TAKE away your salvation. I agree!!!! But you can GIVE it up WILLINGLY. You can walk away from that gift. If I give you a free gift and you say "thanks but no thanks" did I take that gift from you? No!! Did you lose that gift?! No!! Is that gift still yours and available to you till you take your last breath?! Yes!!! But it's YOUR choice, or it's not a gift.

 

[kaylagrl]

By the actual TRUTH of the word of GOD and not some religiously twisted skewed version of the truth.....the power is in the message and NOT the messenger.....

DC after 20yrs in ministry I know the truth from a lie. And though you've made clear you don't care, I don't appreciate you insinuating that I have been sharing a dime store Gospel to people. I don't need anyone here to tell me what truth is. The power is the Gospel, yes, which has the power to save whosoever will.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

You know.....I have apologized 4 maybe 5 times when I really got out of line with my rhetoric....and yet the person that called me a NAZI, COMMUNIST and a few other names, which ALSO mouthed MY FAMILY in the open forum has not apologized.....and she is still here saying LOVE, PEACE, lets ALL get along and LET our SPEECH be seasoned with GRACE and LOVE............

LOOK...I know I pour heat, and say very pointed things like cake taker, worker for, salvation loser and have said that a COMMENT was idiotic or something along those LINES....I have ALWAYS attacked doctrine....and I have ALWAYS admitted I am a hard and cut no slack....I also have no problem engaging people in the same manner that they engage me....

since I have had the pleasure until you and I signed a peace treaty since the thing we disagree on the most is not salvic, I have experienced it

you have made me wince at times and I got you angry at times

it's the name calling that discourages so many here

first of all, unless Christ reigns there is no peace, there will never be peace and peace is not in the offing...that goes for personal, relationships and countries. every time they start with the peace talks I go, nope. not gonna happen

I think an apology goes a long way. I really do.

that nose in the air attitude makes me think of domestic turkeys. I have heard they will drown in rain because they have had the common sense bred out of them and they breath into the rain

honestly, I am smh at these threads that indicate they are so hurt and whatever and say it's all about love

love is a verb the way God describes it. not a sentiment that we can choose to blanket those we feel deserve it while closing the heart to others who are actually telling them the truth

as long as Jesus is used like a plus on a 'Christian' resume while excluding others because they are not in agreement with short cuts, it will continue in this forum. personally, I think that is pretty much where we are at

I have family that think no apology is needed because they don't believe they were responsible for their actions because someone else talked them into acting the way they did

hurts to this day and has reached the point where I am probably better off realizing that I don't need people who actually think like that in my life. I forgive as many times as it takes to let it all go.

I figure if God has not got through to them on what actually transpired, then I am not about to do it for Him

Christians can be like a wrecking a ball and d**n the consequences

 

[kaylagrl]

The thing is....I am angry at no one per se....and usually if something does peeve me off I state that I am peeved off....just because someone fires back at a false doctrine (perceived or not) it does not equate to anger.....and I will repeat it ONE MORE TIME....I HATE NO ONE ON THIS SITE, BUT I will emphatically DEFEND the word of GOD and fire on ANYONE that devalues JESUS, his work, his power, his promises.............and I will absolutely oppose anyone that twists, skews, embellishes the bible and or what I or anyone else has to say.........vehemently at that

Yep, I've been on the receiving end of that fire. But the question remains DC, if you believe so passionately that you have the truth, why would you not want me to see it? Why would you not want others to see it? Except for a few people here anytime I question OSAS all I get is fire. Do you think that makes me want to learn more? You think I twist the Scripture, I think OSAS is against what the Bible says. You screaming louder than me and being more incensed don't make you right,or me. So to my actual OSAS friends that I have in the real world, we pray for each other. We fellowship with each other. Maybe one day my eyes will be opened to their POV, maybe one day theirs will be to mine. But ripping each other apart does nothing. And it's all I see here in the BDF. I get you're a son of thunder, but once in a while we need to be gentle as doves. It can't be full blast all the time. Again everyone here believes they have the truth, we can't all be right. So then we look to the Word. If people haven't "matured spiritually" as much as you have why would you not have patience with them? There is a difference between people honestly not knowing the truth about certain things and those deliberately trying to twist the Gospel for their own gain. I have the discernment to know the difference, do you?

 

[FollowHisSteps]

well that is what that person teaches
and that is what the uproar is about
that, and the personal attacks and then the posts that follow that with
'no one loves God like I do and I am praising and blah blah blah.
that is not real

Hi 7,

Are you a supporter then of passive faith, that faith can have no fruit, no effect on the believer
and it is still "saving" faith?

I essence what we are saying is what Paul said

20 "I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds."
Acts 26

When any evangelist preaches they always look for people with a heartfelt faith, that brings about
a life change. A common phrase was skin deep faith, or life deep faith.

"As Christians we need to be committed to authenticity, to presenting our true selves to those around us as we seek to share our faith and live our lives. Beauty, and a person’s intrinsic value, has to do with so much more than anything we can project or alter externally. Likewise, faith is infinitely more than just an outward conformance through the places we go, the things we say and what we wear."
http://blog.febc.org/faith-skin-deep/

This is a classic evangelical way of describing discipleship and saving faith.

I am simply not used to people declaring this the way you are.

Now another trait is this desire to suggest praising God aloud as a song of worship from the heart,
is a sacrifice of praise to God.

15 Through Jesus, therefore, let us continually offer to God a sacrifice of praise--the fruit of lips that confess his name.
16 And do not forget to do good and to share with others, for with such sacrifices God is pleased.
Heb 13

For any believer to speak as if this is ego and not just a song from the heart, has missed some real
spiritual reality. Again this is not something I am familiar with, but then there are so many who truly
feel the state of their hearts defines our walk with Jesus.

In this regard, worship should be what? Others will have to answer, because to me this is our rejoicing
at the blessing He has given us all, my heart just sings, Amen.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Yep, I've been on the receiving end of that fire. But the question remains DC, if you believe so passionately that you have the truth, why would you not want me to see it? Why would you not want others to see it? Except for a few people here anytime I question OSAS all I get is fire. Do you think that makes me want to learn more? You think I twist the Scripture, I think OSAS is against what the Bible says. You screaming louder than me and being more incensed don't make you right,or me. So to my actual OSAS friends that I have in the real world, we pray for each other. We fellowship with each other. Maybe one day my eyes will be opened to their POV, maybe one day theirs will be to mine. But ripping each other apart does nothing. And it's all I see here in the BDF. I get you're a son of thunder, but once in a while we need to be gentle as doves. It can't be full blast all the time. Again everyone here believes they have the truth, we can't all be right. So then we look to the Word. If people haven't "matured spiritually" as much as you have why would you not have patience with them? There is a difference between people honestly not knowing the truth about certain things and those deliberately trying to twist the Gospel for their own gain. I have the discernment to know the difference, do you?

On this subject, in many ways I am OSAS, in my personal relationship with Jesus I can never see me
walking away. I have security in the cross and His love that blows my mind, that has moulded all I
am and how I spend my time.

I have to admit though friends who seemed to come to faith, who worshipped in the same fellowships
and said the same things are now not walking with the Lord. I can neither say they are saved or not,
that is in the Lords hands.

To say people who hate God where once they loved Him, are now forced or changed into loving obedient
child of God, is to me a denial of life, free will, salvation, and Gods word. It is a type of universalism which
leads to unreality about evil and sin, and justifies evil behaviour despite faith, and in fellowships there
is no correction or desire to walk righteously. Now drug addicts take this teaching and then say they
ok saved yet are dying, literally until they truly repent and find salvation and new life with victory.

One such lady testified to this in her life. Another, who is a sweet caring individual to whom the gospel
is more like a change of dresses, testifies that a change of mind is salvation reality, and to suggest true
life repentance and change is a lie of hypocrites.

Now for me to hold this place both DC and EG condemn me as evil, a sinner, unrepentant and leading others
to hell. But for the reasons above I can never compromise on this issue, because it is about who are we
in reality and as believers and what salvation truly is in the elect. And sadly I have to conclude false
prophets such as these are bad trees with bad fruit as reflected in the threads and hard hearted words
used constantly and with intent to harm. I see no resolution to this, because in truth this is a Kingdom
issue, and as such transcends my sharing. God bless you

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Mixing up people

Sometimes things are said and done by individuals, and the hurt and words are put on the
wrong individuals. I have seen various people appear, and say similar things and then one
person be accused of what the other held.

It is why talking about faith positions helps which are depersonalised, and then the
ferocity is focused on the belief system and not how others express it.

Some things have been so bad, I am surprised any man or woman of faith could say them.
And I now understand, a false prophet can say almost anything, because the Holy Spirit does
not abide in them. And it matters, to discern what could be said in Christ without deep conviction
occurring whereas a ferocious wolf can say much as their intent is ultimate harm not peace and love.

We follow a faith, which declares there are weeds among us, and they do not know. So we must
be wise to the testimony of the Spirit to our hearts, and to give it all to Him, before the cross and
to know what His sheep would say and do. God bless you all.

 

[kaylagrl]

On this subject, in many ways I am OSAS, in my personal relationship with Jesus I can never see me
walking away. I have security in the cross and His love that blows my mind, that has moulded all I
am and how I spend my time.

I have to admit though friends who seemed to come to faith, who worshipped in the same fellowships
and said the same things are now not walking with the Lord. I can neither say they are saved or not,
that is in the Lords hands.

To say people who hate God where once they loved Him, are now forced or changed into loving obedient
child of God, is to me a denial of life, free will, salvation, and Gods word. It is a type of universalism which
leads to unreality about evil and sin, and justifies evil behaviour despite faith, and in fellowships there
is no correction or desire to walk righteously. Now drug addicts take this teaching and then say they
ok saved yet are dying, literally until they truly repent and find salvation and new life with victory.

One such lady testified to this in her life. Another, who is a sweet caring individual to whom the gospel
is more like a change of dresses, testifies that a change of mind is salvation reality, and to suggest true
life repentance and change is a lie of hypocrites.

Now for me to hold this place both DC and EG condemn me as evil, a sinner, unrepentant and leading others
to hell. But for the reasons above I can never compromise on this issue, because it is about who are we
in reality and as believers and what salvation truly is in the elect. And sadly I have to conclude false
prophets such as these are bad trees with bad fruit as reflected in the threads and hard hearted words
used constantly and with intent to harm. I see no resolution to this, because in truth this is a Kingdom
issue, and as such transcends my sharing. God bless you

I'm not sure we have talked much here. I'm sure there are things we could agree on and things we disagree on. I posted a very strong post in answer to someone on a subject who reminded me that I had just as strongly agreed with them on posts before. And it made me laugh to see how silly all of this is. I can still fellowship with you as a brother/sister in Christ. Perhaps something I may share could open your eyes to my POV, or the other way round.


It comes to my mind the story of William Booths wife Catherine. She had a dream of being by the ocean. And when she looked into the ocean she saw the lost. They were crying out for help trying to climb up on the rock and get out of the roiling ocean. And then when she looked she saw people up on the rock that were laughing and enjoying life to the fullest ignoring the people crying out for help in the ocean. And that's basically how I see the BDF. While we argue minute points in doctrines and accuse each other of not having the truth people who are REALLY LOST are crying out for our help. If we don't have the discernment to know the difference how can we ever help those who are ACTUALLY LOST?! No! The church can't even agree with each other let alone helping the lost. It saddens me every time I come here. I see literally nothing done for the Lord here, as much as everyone scream that that is their intent. There is only one way to salvation, the Bible. There are possibly 75,last count, the BDF. smh

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I'm not sure we have talked much here. I'm sure there are things we could agree on and things we disagree on. I posted a very strong post in answer to someone on a subject who reminded me that I had just as strongly agreed with them on posts before. And it made me laugh to see how silly all of this is. I can still fellowship with you as a brother/sister in Christ. Perhaps something I may share could open your eyes to my POV, or the other way round.


It comes to my mind the story of William Booths wife Catherine. She had a dream of being by the ocean. And when she looked into the ocean she saw the lost. They were crying out for help trying to climb up on the rock and get out of the roiling ocean. And then when she looked she saw people up on the rock that were laughing and enjoying life to the fullest ignoring the people crying out for help in the ocean. And that's basically how I see the BDF. While we argue minute points in doctrines and accuse each other of not having the truth people who are REALLY LOST are crying out for our help. If we don't have the discernment to know the difference how can we ever help those who are ACTUALLY LOST?! No! The church can't even agree with each other let alone helping the lost. It saddens me every time I come here. I see literally nothing done for the Lord here, as much as everyone scream that that is their intent. There is only one way to salvation, the Bible. There are possibly 75,last count, the BDF. smh

Hi Kayla,

I love you in the Lord. The elect are agreed and one in His body. The enemy would want to distract us
with the weeds, and mix it up, but he always lies. And our life blood is love, praise, and following in service.
BDF is fine, it just needs to mature, to develop a language that truly answers the theologies that deny Christs
work in our hearts and our walking as Paul describes, blameless and pure before the Lord.

I have actually had to realise some new things about holiness. Part of us being Holy is the Holy presence of
the Holy Spirit, in a sense Christs blood purifies us through faith. The apostles expressed this as a cleansed
conscience, as if we are not the people who sinned, that a wall spiritually separates us from that time before
we confessed and repented of that sinful behaviour. I have known this very experience myself, trying to feel
forgiven before repentance, and then being cleansed after repentance, wondering why the repenting mattered,
was it more than words and intent. Writing this going back 30+ years I remember wondering at this very point.

And it is this reality these false prophets are challenging and denying. But this is not a theology, it is a spiritual
reality. It is why we need to own who we are in Christ, because this is real. There is no going back, because you
cannot undo reality, you do not want to either. And this is also why it is a farce these unbelievers think they
have something, or even I am like them, which illustrates the problem of projections. We only know ourselves
and what others share. So we are just to stand as lights, beacons of His love, of the way of grace, that is life
and leads to life. C S Lewis described it like becoming more real the longer we dwell in Christ. I like that
image because it resonates in me, and I am now closer to seeing Him now than when I started, amen

God bless you.

 

[pottersclay]

FOR @pottersclay that DENIED the truth of what UNIFIES...

pottersclay said:
Truth does not unifiy God's people.

The bible states....

I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.

So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

AND if you think there is no absolute truth in the bible (evidenced by your Pilate comment) you have a lot to get straight and right in your head pal.

Go ahead redirect what I said..it's your m.o. along with your condescending remarks. It seems that if one doesn't agree with your view then there toast.
Never did I say that God's word is not truth. Get off your high horse.
The first 12 seen Jesus differently in fact corrections were made after the Ascension.
Jesus is the truth can we agree on that? Now let's look at what he said about himself. Did he say anything about division?

Prime example of not letting the Holy Spirit do his work....your a hands on kinda guy.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

honestly, I am smh at these threads that indicate they are so hurt and whatever and say it's all about love

Life is all about hurt and love. God is all about hurt and love.

Love is what we desire, hurt and defensive, justifying sin is our life style as sinners and the lake of fire our destination.

Jesus is love made flesh, prepared to bear the hurt and sin of mankind and die that we might have life.
Gods greatest two commandments are love Him with everything we are and love our neighbour as ourself.

So if you miss everything is about hurt and love you are not walking in the light of Christ.
As believers we can easily let our sight slip, and let the battles of the day take away our focus, but this
is our focus, eternal focus. There is no other.

So one must beware hardness of heart does not make one unsympathetic to ones owns needs and those of
others. Israel got so hard hearted they fell into unbelief and were rejected.

19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in."
20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid.
Rom 11

I am sure these words will bounce off hard hearts, but that is to be expected, God bless you all

 

[UnderGrace]

Go ahead redirect what I said..it's your m.o. along with your condescending remarks. It seems that if one doesn't agree with your view then there toast.
Never did I say that God's word is not truth. Get off your high horse.
The first 12 seen Jesus differently in fact corrections were made after the Ascension.
Jesus is the truth can we agree on that? Now let's look at what he said about himself. Did he say anything about division?

Prime example of not letting the Holy Spirit do his work....your a hands on kinda guy.

Do you think you could clarify ...because you did state truth does not unify.
Do you mean among believers or non believers? .... because you then used Pilate as an example.

The truth does unify, the problem is we all have our own internal biases and prejudices that hinder knowledge of the truth.

 

[Leastamongmany]

Go ahead redirect what I said..it's your m.o. along with your condescending remarks. It seems that if one doesn't agree with your view then there toast.
Never did I say that God's word is not truth. Get off your high horse.
The first 12 seen Jesus differently in fact corrections were made after the Ascension.
Jesus is the truth can we agree on that? Now let's look at what he said about himself. Did he say anything about division?

Prime example of not letting the Holy Spirit do his work....your a hands on kinda guy.

THIS is the very thing I am addressing all the agressive conflated verbiage in derogatory manner pointed outwards towards others! Hmmmm wonders does.one EVER examine himself!