Dream interpretation

Rodger · May 16, 2013

IMO, I would suggest to you to IGNORE your dreams. We as Christians do not live by deams and visions but by the Word of God.

When or if you look for an interpretation of a dream, you are opening the door of your mind for Satan to walk in and place error and false teaching and idea into your conciousness.

The reading or interpretation of dreams would in fact be a practice of "Divination/Enchanter".

Deut. 18:10-12........
"There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth
divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.[SUP] [/SUP]Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

Bookends · May 16, 2013

trukin said:

Hey Trukin, I'm not trying to make you an enemy here. The message I have to bear you don't like, so be it, which is don't give too much credence to you dreams. Wake up every morning claiming the blood of Christ and walk in that victory. And also, dreams can tell you a lot about yourself, and if you run and can't get away in your dreams, then perhaps there is something in your real life that is troubling you, and if there is, faith in Christ is how to deal with it.

Now I'll drop it. Take it or leave it. I pray God brings you to the truth.

GreenNnice · May 16, 2013

Rodger said:

Ignore your dreams?

Hmmmm.... Did Joseph #1 ignore his dreams? I mean, you can ignore your dreams, we are not talking salvation here, are we? But, we are, for certain, talking of God's plan for your LIFE, right

God's plans for Joseph were made KNOWN when Joseph said that they would ALL bow down to him in the future.....remember, Joseph's dream?

There is a wealth of wisdom in this one little dream here, or, two dreams, like JEALOUSY, which Jacob (Israel) put ON his son, Joseph, by making him ONLY a special, colorful coat !!!

Anyway, Joseph is being SPOKEN to by who? God? Yes!!!!!!!! IF Joseph listens to Him, that is, if Joseph listens to these dreams and, prays to God, will Joseph SEE God's providence from this duo dream of an event in his life? Yes!!!!!!!!

And, does Joseph go on to rule Egypt, only behind Pharoah himself? Yes!!!

Why, why , WHY!!! Do sooo many THINK that when the unknown author of Hebrews said that the 'Old Covenant is obsolete,' do they SEE that as including the teachings of the Old Testament??? Noooooooo! No. No. JUST what is done away with is 'the schoolmaster,' which is 'the law,' we are under a new Schoolmaster, who is Jesus Christ and His laws are quite simple, Love Him #1 and love others as you would love yourself, upon these two LAWS all (new testament AND old 'HANG'!!!!!!!!!!!

)

So, is God the same yesterday, today, as forevermore. Yes!!! He STILL speaks to us today the same as in Old Testament times, that is, through dreams, now, why would you choose not to have FAITH in dreams that God puts ON your heart. I mean, you have a lot of dreams in life, granted, some you just don't remember, but I SERIOUSLY encourage you to PRAY to Him after having the ones that you wake up in a sweat, you can see are constraining you, scaring you, or, SHOWING YOU, like they did Joseph, something of the future that will enlarge your life

What books says is correct, we ARE to seek Christ for answers, but He then PLACES dreams in our minds, our thoughts, our HEARTS! IF you are His, He is with you, and, Satan, too, can GET in your dreams, so, RECOGNIZE that truth too, and remember, greater is He (Holy Spirit, who is God, who is Jesus) who is IN YOU than he (The Devil) who is in the world.

He LIVES in you, Christ. The Enemy can only do what He allows the Enemy to do, and, IF you are with Christ, the Enemy can batter you, beat you, bloody you, put boils on you, that snake can do quite a JOB on you !!! But, he can't beat you if your heart (beats), like David's, is after Him

Abiding · May 16, 2013

danschance said:

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Its easy to presume things. For example i grew up Lutheran. MS.
What i meant by Partisan was you have all the cliches and presumptous accusations of a continuationists.
When in fact they are not facts. Nor would you really have a clue what people have gone through or experienced.
Unless of coarse you asked, and depending if they answered with the truth. And then again if they answered at all
as some here are really not into boasting, yet some love it.

Bookends · May 16, 2013

GreenNnice said:

Ignore your dreams?

Hmmmm.... Did Joseph #1 ignore his dreams? I mean, you can ignore your dreams, we are not talking salvation here, are we? But, we are, for certain, talking of God's plan for your LIFE, right

God's plans for Joseph were made KNOWN when Joseph said that they would ALL bow down to him in the future.....remember, Joseph's dream?

There is a wealth of wisdom in this one little dream here, or, two dreams, like JEALOUSY, which Jacob (Israel) put ON his son, Joseph, by making him ONLY a special, colorful coat !!!

Anyway, Joseph is being SPOKEN to by who? God? Yes!!!!!!!! IF Joseph listens to Him, that is, if Joseph listens to these dreams and, prays to God, will Joseph SEE God's providence from this duo dream of an event in his life? Yes!!!!!!!!

And, does Joseph go on to rule Egypt, only behind Pharoah himself? Yes!!!

Why, why , WHY!!! Do sooo many THINK that when the unknown author of Hebrews said that the 'Old Covenant is obsolete,' do they SEE that as including the teachings of the Old Testament??? Noooooooo! No. No. JUST what is done away with is 'the schoolmaster,' which is 'the law,' we are under a new Schoolmaster, who is Jesus Christ and His laws are quite simple, Love Him #1 and love others as you would love yourself, upon these two LAWS all (new testament AND old 'HANG'!!!!!!!!!!!

)

So, is God the same yesterday, today, as forevermore. Yes!!! He STILL speaks to us today the same as in Old Testament times, that is, through dreams, now, why would you choose not to have FAITH in dreams that God puts ON your heart. I mean, you have a lot of dreams in life, granted, some you just don't remember, but I SERIOUSLY encourage you to PRAY to Him after having the ones that you wake up in a sweat, you can see are constraining you, scaring you, or, SHOWING YOU, like they did Joseph, something of the future that will enlarge your life

What books says is correct, we ARE to seek Christ for answers, but He then PLACES dreams in our minds, our thoughts, our HEARTS! IF you are His, He is with you, and, Satan, too, can GET in your dreams, so, RECOGNIZE that truth too, and remember, greater is He (Holy Spirit, who is God, who is Jesus) who is IN YOU than he (The Devil) who is in the world.

He LIVES in you, Christ. The Enemy can only do what He allows the Enemy to do, and, IF you are with Christ, the Enemy can batter you, beat you, bloody you, put boils on you, that snake can do quite a JOB on you !!! But, he can't beat you if your heart (beats), like David's, is after Him

Did Joseph sin by telling his dreams to his brothers rather then keeping them to himself. Joseph's dreams caused his brothers to become envious in which led the brothers to sin again by selling him merchants as a slave. The brothers sinned again by lying about it to their father. However, God has way about turning our sin into object lessons and around for good. Again, I don't want to limit God and say he can't use dreams, but it's not the normative especially now because we have His word, and that's what we are to abide in, period.

SarahM777 · May 16, 2013

UMM Did you know that it was God's prophets that said those things? Isaiah was the man that said this

Isaiah 6

6 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lordof hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts.

GreenNnice · May 16, 2013

Bookends said:

Good question, books.

Did Joseph sin?

God CAN speak to us through our dreams, not the normal way of leading us, 'normative,' as you say, books, sure, OK, for MOST, dreams are PROBABLY not a cornerstone of how God has them keep faith in Him. But, some, YES!, I believe God does extra care to help them understand Him through dreams.

And, He can tell us, like He did Joseph, great things through dreams. Hey, we have to go on faith that God's going to get us through, and, we humans are going to make mistakes. It's just the way it is, topsy-turvy, with gains and losses, ups and downs, unpredictability, (sounds like I'm decribing day-trading, doesn't it?

) , but God is faithful. We MAY or MAY NOT be, but God is faithful, and, IF we follow Him through what He's presented in our lives, then, we will be fine.

Should Joseph have prayed to God then before telling one dream to his brothers and then another to his entire family?
I don't know, but, I'm going to say 'no,' because God made those tribulations Joseph went through from telling the dreams come true

Because we make MISTAKES does not mean we don't go ahead and keep on trying to follow Him. We don't say, 'OH< that turned out wrong, I'm going to quit following Him.' That is called a lack of faith

We are NOT to have that, we will have 'that,' we all know, but we are to work toward His plans for us and being perfect as He is perfect and we ONLY get there by trial and error of making HUMAN mistakes and going forward, trusting in Him, and , obeying Him, which, yes, is by His Word, but that testing of our faith, wanting us to bring ourselves under obedience and trust to Him, sometimes, is listening to the dreams He has placed in our mind, in our hearts . Don't quench the Spirit, who, indeed, CAN work through us , use us, help us see things that we NORMALLY would not see. How? Through dreams

danschance · May 16, 2013

Abiding said:

Actually, what I have experienced is factual. In my life I have been to several Lutheran churches in several states. The church services were all very similar. Same liturgy, same sermon style and no mention of any miracles. Only one time did I hear of a miracle and that was from a charismatic Lutheran Woman who prayed for a youth with a sprained ankle.

I have spent plenty of time with Lutherans. My dad being the pastor, often dragged me along to the indian reservation where he tried his best to help the Indians in any way he could. He would go visit his members when ever they were in the hospital. I have much respect for my father who put a good deal of effort in evangelism and feeding the flock. Yet he never once reported to me of any sort of miracle. One time I asked him directly if he had seen a miracle. His response was every baby born is a miracle.

Later on in life, I joined a church that had a Lutheran feel to it, but they were charismatic. Their services were orderly and none of the stereotypical stuff one might expect from the holly rollers. At that church I was healed twice of illnesses and saw others get healed. There I also heard God speak to me and that was very profound.

So I am speaking from my own experiences and observations. My experiences and observations are facts, my conclusions are an extrapolation from those experiences and observations.

Abiding · May 16, 2013

danschance said:

Im not at all having doubts about your experiences, but am rather glad He is working in your life
and that you see that. I may say tho He also is working in all our lives seen or unseen.

Why tho you want to recall these experiences has me a tad confused. Ive more supernatural
experiences that could fill many books and those are just what i remember. But to talk of them
in a public forum is what baffles me? To bring up negative dispersions on Lutherans in relation
to the supernatural sounds an awful lot like boasting at their expense. Or just boasting period.
Did God somehow wait till you went to the right church to do His will?

GreenNnice · May 16, 2013

Abiding said:

Don't sweat it, danmanchance, squirrelabidinghouse, just believes different than you.

Incidentally, squirrelbuddy, dan is not boasting, he is spilling forth proof of Christ's work in his life, why you want to condemn what he says by saying he's bringing up 'negative dispersions on Lutherans' is beyond me ridiculous. Why not just say, 'Great, It's neat to hear that others have the same similar super, natural experiences I've had.'

The Lutheran way of faith is just DIFFERENT for dan than for others, some have accepted Christ through Lutheran, some Pentecostal, some Nazarene..... Speaking of Nazarene church, and, let me say, FIRST.....

That's great, dan, that God's healed you , He does heal, all the time. It's hard not to see it and hear about it, we have a prayer requests that is a mile long, OK, not quite a mile, at our church weekly, and, there are a ton of PRAISE reports too. REading them through is just a huge LIFT to see how God answers prayers for others. It's certainly an encouragment to me, and, I, too, yes, was not able to understand a certain denomination. I was going to a Nazarene church and they were not showing me the power of the Holy Spirit unto my life which I found at a pentecostal church. Now, that said, and, no this is not a negative dispersion, I WAS in the middle of parent's bitter divorce at this age time of 17 and my family who grew up going to Nazarene church quit going some then altogether. I was in my own ways to, of the world, and, God was mine but was also put on the backburner, as I was THINKING I could have God and have sin also something I did regularly. Not true . God spit me out, a lot happened to me from 17 to when I re-committed my life to Christ by going to church regularly at age 26 and then re-accepted Him into my life in a different way than when I HAD when I was 14. It has made a difference, this journey I'm on now, serving Him, having been through quite a lot of great events that God's ALWAYS shown me through

danschance · May 16, 2013

Thanks GreenNnice,

I agree we are all different and have different experiences, different backgrounds and even believe slightly different doctrines. Even so most of us believe the same essential doctrines. Even if we differ on opinions, we should never attack each other. Satan is the enemy, not people who disagree with us.

I was not casting aspersions on Lutherans. Keep in mind I even complimented my father's work as a pastor and how my own father never saw a single miracle. Would I cast aspersions on my own father? Lutherans as a whole tend to be down to earth sensible people (sure there are exceptions to every rule). My point is that I had never once heard of or seen a miracle with in the Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod. This is fact, to the very best of my memory.

Is it an aspersion to say Hitler is a mass murderer or is it just a fact?

jinx · May 16, 2013

MaggieMye said:

zone said:

Well one thing is for sure, we don't sit there and hold a conversation with them! We cast them out by the name of JESUS!!!

Jesus used the recited scripture when satan came to him and tested him.

zone did it right

trukin · May 16, 2013

i'm outta here. I'll let yall fight this out between ya's......laterz

Abiding · May 16, 2013

GreenNnice said:

Don't sweat it, danmanchance, squirrelabidinghouse, just believes different than you.

Incidentally, squirrelbuddy, dan is not boasting, he is spilling forth proof of Christ's work in his life, why you want to condemn what he says by saying he's bringing up 'negative dispersions on Lutherans' is beyond me ridiculous. Why not just say, 'Great, It's neat to hear that others have the same similar super, natural experiences I've had.'

The Lutheran way of faith is just DIFFERENT for dan than for others, some have accepted Christ through Lutheran, some Pentecostal, some Nazarene..... Speaking of Nazarene church, and, let me say, FIRST.....

That's great, dan, that God's healed you , He does heal, all the time. It's hard not to see it and hear about it, we have a prayer requests that is a mile long, OK, not quite a mile, at our church weekly, and, there are a ton of PRAISE reports too. REading them through is just a huge LIFT to see how God answers prayers for others. It's certainly an encouragment to me, and, I, too, yes, was not able to understand a certain denomination. I was going to a Nazarene church and they were not showing me the power of the Holy Spirit unto my life which I found at a pentecostal church. Now, that said, and, no this is not a negative dispersion, I WAS in the middle of parent's bitter divorce at this age time of 17 and my family who grew up going to Nazarene church quit going some then altogether. I was in my own ways to, of the world, and, God was mine but was also put on the backburner, as I was THINKING I could have God and have sin also something I did regularly. Not true . God spit me out, a lot happened to me from 17 to when I re-committed my life to Christ by going to church regularly at age 26 and then re-accepted Him into my life in a different way than when I HAD when I was 14. It has made a difference, this journey I'm on now, serving Him, having been through quite a lot of great events that God's ALWAYS shown me through

Green ya ought to stop with the butting into a convo, speaking for someone else, and saying someone condemned
when they were miles from it. dont ya have your own threads to do that in?

MaggieMye · May 16, 2013

Originally Posted by zone

i have seen demons maggie.
wanna know what i did?

Lord Jesus! JESUS HELP!

presto...gone.

should i have gone all MMA with them?
called a meeting and chased them around and stuff?

yawn.

Well one thing is for sure, we don't sit there and hold a conversation with them! We cast them out by the name of JESUS!!!

Jesus used the recited scripture when satan came to him and tested him.

zone did it right

No, not quite. We are to be the overcomer, not begging Jesus for what He already gave us. We are to take authority in His name and cast it out ourselves.
But...if Zone really did see a demon and not just a person acting crazy (which is demonic but not the same) then Zone also has a prophetic Seer gifting FROM GOD. Interesting~~

zone · May 16, 2013

MaggieMye said:

what?
this is just weird maggie.

MaggieMye said:

cast it out?
did i say it (they) was in a person or thing needing casting out?

i said i have seen demons. period.

it was while i was still effected by my OCCULT (drugs) DAYS maggie.

since i don't get involved in the OCCULT - i don't have problems with demons.

i suppose if i wanted to go there, i'd have nothing but DEMONIC obsessions...like you.

MaggieMye said:

oh purleez. don't connect your "prophetic Seer gifting" rubbish to me.

MaggieMye · May 16, 2013

QUOTE=SarahM777;1035828UMM Maggie,

You say stand on the word,where are believers told when they have dreams and visions they are to go to SOMEONE else to have them interpreted? Where is that written in scripture. Both Daniel and Joseph interpreted dreams for other people. Book,chapter and verse please.Gen 41:8-32, Judges 7, Daniel 2, and 4 If one is a believer they already have the gift o the Holy Spirit who will lead us into all truth All have access to Holy Spirit, but not all have been empowered by Him (see Acts 2) In every case a believer was told by God what the vision or dream meant. Not so...see Chapters mentioned above in purple. Not so with unbelievers. With unbelievers it was always to validate that the prophet was from God That is not scriptures...'to validate that the prohpet was from God." Find me one place where God DID NOT explain the dream or vision to a believer.Gen 37 GOD did not give the interpretation, but his brothers revealed the interpretation by asking him if it were true. God is not a God of confusion He will not leave us hanging. Find me the scriptures that show a believer is to seek someone else to validate their dream or visions via another person please It is simple common sense. Not all believers understand their dreams...in fact MOST do not. Interpretation belongs to the Lord and it is one of the spiritual gifts or tools that He gives. 1 Cor 14:26 Believer or not, it is common sense to ASK when you don't understand something. Can you honestly tell me that YOU understand your dreams?

GreenNnice · May 17, 2013

Abiding said:

Just saying , you could find a common ground to be nice, I KNOW you believe different, danchance knows it, so, take the high road, I don't see where that would hurt you one iota, just to agree that dan was healed and not to attack his belief in how Christ's worked in his life . That's all, there is nothing incendiary said, squirrel, just seeing if it's possible, that in the midst of all our in-fighting, that we can still outpour Jesus' Love, regarding our testimony of Jesus Christ at work in our life, and, hearing dan a 2nd time, I hope you can see he was not saying Lutherans were a bad denomination, just one that did not reform him, fill his needs spiritually, like another denomination did

Ariel82 · May 17, 2013

zone said:

oh come now Zone, wouldn't that give you some "authority" in those circles?

<roboop needs to put the halo smiley face as an option> lol

Ariel82 · May 17, 2013

trukin said:

mmm it seems the OP is a 'sensitive" type. might want to keep the derailment of his threads to a minimal

...I guess since he's out I'll find another thread to read.

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