Dream interpretation

[Abiding]

I enjoyed your post. ♥

Those who claim the gifts have ceased, for the most part, have never witnessed any act of God. So for them cessation seems logical. Cessationism can not be proved by the scriptures. Paul does say gifts will cease but never mentions when. It is just an assertion one believes.

Is that what you think? I doubt youve ever done a worldwide legit survey.
Folks ive know that were cessationists have talked alot about Gods movings
in their life. As well as healings of sorts, and miracles etc.
I think youve been misinformed. Im not aware of one in 30 years that would be
like you describe, and ive know quite a few. Sounds like partisan politics to me.

 

[4enlightment]

Zone had stated:
again, based on the notion that the utterance today are the Biblical languages; and....the reasoning that IF tongues exist today, so must discernment....well, if one is faulty so is the other.

both were unmistakable supernatural gifts to help the new church, as it grew up in the faith.
God was still revealing to them what we now know today - they did not know what the finished, full delivery of all the christian scriptures would be.

Jesus was able to speak the old ancient language at the time of the first covenant was made, but the Jews during the time of the new testament couldn't speak the language because of them being in captivity since the babylonians. Abraham had spoken this language and God had told Abraham that He was going to work with his seed alone; that is why Jesus bloodline hasn't been mingle with others nations, because at the time, it was hard to keep the bloodline from being mingle with other ethnics. And since Jesus is the true king of the Jews, The true King bloodline couldn't be mingle, because God keeps his word that He had promise Abraham only with his seed that he shall deal with. but since Jesus had came to complete the agreement; now when the day of the pentacost when everyone that were in the church had spoken in tongues were speaking all the languages at the present and in the future. That was the sign that God has offered all the nations of this world to have a chance to be a member of His kingdom. But before God had only offered Abraham and his descendants, but they weren't able to keep the first covenant. So speaking of the tongues signified that the ones that speaks these languages are welcome which it is all the languages of the life of the world.

 

[MaggieMye]

Zone: "but tell me - did He part the red sea today for you or anyone? IF I needed Him to do so He would for He is my provider and protector. On the other hand, In Christ, He has given us the authority and power to move our own mountains.

OH...GO MOVE RUSHMORE AND VIDEOTAPE IT How immature can you be?? Move Mt. Rushmore.?? WHY??? I don't need it moved and we are told not to test the Lord.

are you planning to go to the temple with turtle doves? What for?

YOU SAID HE NEVER CHANGES (HIS WAY OF DOING THINGS)
WHY AREN'T YOU GOING TO THE TEMPLE.? Nit-piking for the sake of arguement?

if not, why not maggie? Why not? Because sacrificing in OT ways negates the sacrifice of Christ. Shouldn't you already know that??

DIDN'T HE CHANGE HIS WAY OF DOING THINGS THEN MAGGIE?
NO MORE TEMPLE, NOR MORE ANIMALS....NO MORE PARTING THE RED SEA.
NO ELIJAH. HE changed what WE do not what HE does.

JESUS....RIGHT?

i'm quite satisfied knowing God in the most intimate way He has given us. So you think.

C PETER WAGNER CAN GET ME CLOSER TO GOD?? Would you drop the Peter Wagner thing? You mention him far more often than I do and it's getting old.

PLAYING DEMONOLOGY AND OCCULT GETS ME CLOSER? Again...accusing me of doing that for the sake of argument? Your character is showing.

being able to draw near through the shed blood of Christ draw near through the blood? Where is that in scripture??


HEBREWS 4 & 5


the Lord who has spoken to us in HIS WORD,

Yes, His word, His love-letter to us. But what kind of Father would ever just write a letter to his child and then never communicate with him/her again?? No loving father would ever do that and God has not done that either. IF you are not hearing from Him through words of knowledge, through dreams and visions (Acts 2:17 ‘And it shall be in the last days,’ God says, ‘That I will pour forth of My Spirit on allmankind; And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your young menThose not mature in the lord and needing a more literal communication shall see visions, And your old men those more mature in the lord and able to understand the metaphores...like Daniel, like joseph shall dream dreams;of Whom the Holy Spirit testifies.), through His written word, through prayer (it's a TWO-WAY communication you know), then it is because you do not believe that you should and hence you do not believe the scriptures that speak to that. Remember, faith is a CHOICE....belief is a CHOICE and you have chosen Not to believe these truths about our Father.


NONSENSE


i don't need dreams, or someone else to tell me what He is saying But apparently you do, but your pride will keep you from being teachable.

I IN NO WAY WANT WHAT YOU ARE SELLING. No need to worry. God will not force it on you.

k maggie? Sure...have it your way. It is completely your loss. There IS more to God, more about God, more OF God, IF we seek. IF we seek, we SHALL find and it will ALL line up with His written word. You are not a seeker so you will not find.

YOU MEAN FUN AND GAMES WITH DEMON BUSTING AND GENERATIONAL CURSES AND TERRITORIAL SPIRITS AND DREAM INTERPRETATION AND ALL THAT? Grow up would you? You take something I said YEARS ago and won't let it drop.

NO....NO...A THOUSAND TIMES NO THANKS.


On another note: A SEER is a prophetically gifted person that has the ability to see into the spiritual realm; angels and demons both. Not all prophetically gifted people are seers.Percentage-wise, maybe 15%...and yet, God tells us that in the end times, this will increase.



I'D ASK YOU TO DOCUMENT THAT RIDICULOUS ASSERTION, ESPECIALLY THE LAST PART BUT I CAN'T BEAR THESE BLENDED NON-QUOTE-FEATURE POSTS WHERE NO ONE KNOWS WHAT ANYONE IS SAYING.I have better things to do than try to convince someone as closed-minded as you.
...I will just have to keep wondering what you would ever do if you SAW a demon, because they CAN manifest in the natural. IF you did see one, would you even know what it was? What would you do??

k.bye. W E

 

[danschance]

Is that what you think? I doubt youve ever done a worldwide legit survey.
Folks ive know that were cessationists have talked alot about Gods movings
in their life. As well as healings of sorts, and miracles etc.
I think youve been misinformed. Im not aware of one in 30 years that would be
like you describe, and ive know quite a few. Sounds like partisan politics to me.

Have you ever done a world wide survey of anything? If not, why would ask me to do such an absurd thing?

You have heard other ceasers say they have seen miracles? Awesome! They are not an everyday occurance even for those who believe they happen.

I am glad you have not seen what I have described I grew up in the Lutheran church, misery synod.( AKA: God's Frozen Chosen). I never heard about a miracle, my dad was the pastor and he often prayed for the sick but never saw one miraculously get healed. I never heard about casting a demon out. All I heard was a scripture read and then a sermon on that passage. A few baptisms, a few weddings and many pot lucks, besides that, not much happened there.

Partisan politics?? Not sure what you mean. I am registered as an independent and have decided to no longer vote unless I see a christian politician.

 

[trukin]

Then why seek a second opinion as you say? Don't we seek second opinions because we don't fully believe what was told to us to begin with? It's the only logical conclusion I can come up with. For God has not given us a spirit of fear (timidity, of cowardice, of craven and cringing and fawning fear), but of power and of love and of a sound mind.

You might be able to fool us, but you can't fool God.

im not trying to "fool" anyone!!!! you really leave me with a bad taste in my mouth....just drop the flippen subject!

 

[trukin]

Holy cripes batman!!!! all i asked was a SIMPLE question. i'm not asking for prophesies or someone to tell my future or nothing else....i guess i DID open another can of worms. i guess i'll shut my mouth from now on or move on and find another forum site to get involved with. this one seems to be WAY too much bickering going on...i can wait to see what my other thread has to say on the interracial marriage deal. i havent even checked it yet...but anyways......later yall.

 

[RickyZ]

Is that what you think? I doubt youve ever done a worldwide legit survey.
Folks ive know that were cessationists have talked alot about Gods movings
in their life. As well as healings of sorts, and miracles etc.
I think youve been misinformed. Im not aware of one in 30 years that would be
like you describe, and ive know quite a few. Sounds like partisan politics to me.

If a 'cessationalist' is a part of a miraculous healing, then he has witnessed a gift of the Holy Spirit. So the question is why does he not recognize or acknowlege it as a gift of the Spirit? I think a lot of it has to do with image. The 'working of the gifts' has been hijacked by the babble and act stupid crowd, and they don't want to be associated with that. And I can't blame them. I'm a functionalist, and I don't want to associate with them either. But yeah, Abiding, I've known 'cessationalists' who have given a gift of the Spirit, and turned right around and said oh that wasn't what Paul was talking about.

But oh yes it was.

 

[Cobus]

Truckin, some people fly WITH GOD EVEN WHILE THEY ARE AWAKE...

I remember Ezekiel sitting in his house with the elders for the annual meeting of the sins of the nation.... And they were gathered in the house of Ezeliel, and then this happened... And he put forth the form of a hand, and he took me by a lock of mine head, and the spirit lifted me up between earth and heaven, and brought me in the visions of GOD to Jerusalem, to the door of the inner gate.... WOW! This man was sitting in his houe in the presence of the elders and at the same time he was taken to Jerusalem by GOD! He was LIFTED BETWEEN HEAVEN AND EARTH... Sound like FLYING to me...


Proof..... IT HAPPENS... AND NOTHING you say to break it down will make this UNTRUE... God let people FLY!!!! Even as far as Third heaven, PARADISE! WOW! What a powerful God we know off!

 

[SarahM777]

HEBREWS 4 & 5


the Lord who has spoken to us in HIS WORD,

Yes, His word, His love-letter to us. But what kind of Father would ever just write a letter to his child and then never communicate with him/her again?? No loving father would ever do that and God has not done that either. IF you are not hearing from Him through words of knowledge, through dreams and visions (Acts 2:17 ‘And it shall be in the last days,’ God says, ‘That I will pour forth of My Spirit on allmankind; And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your young menThose not mature in the lord and needing a more literal communication shall see visions, And your old men those more mature in the lord and able to understand the metaphores...like Daniel, like joseph shall dream dreams;of Whom the Holy Spirit testifies.), through His written word, through prayer (it's a TWO-WAY communication you know), then it is because you do not believe that you should and hence you do not believe the scriptures that speak to that. Remember, faith is a CHOICE....belief is a CHOICE and you have chosen Not to believe these truths about our Father.

UMM Maggie,

You say stand on the word,where are believers told when they have dreams and visions they are to go to SOMEONE else to have them interpreted? Where is that written in scripture. Book,chapter and verse please. If one is a believer they already have the gift o the Holy Spirit who will lead us into all truth. In every case a believer was told by God what the vision or dream meant. Not so with unbelievers. With unbelievers it was always to validate that the prophet was from God. Find me one place where God DID NOT explain the dream or vision to a believer. God is not a God of confusion He will not leave us hanging. Find me the scriptures that show a believer is to seek someone else to validate their dream or visions via another person please.

 

[SarahM777]

Please can someone explain this,why I have not heard one so called prophet of God or so called dream interpreter ever say things like this,Woe is me I am a man of unclean lips from a people of unclean lips,I have come undone,Lord please do not reveal any more of your glory for if you do I am a dead man,I fainted away as a dead man. Why is that,can someone explain that? Why do we not hear them speak that way?

 

[1Christianwarrior316]

Find me one place where God DID NOT explain the dream or vision to a believer.

Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

 

[SarahM777]

Can someone also explain why even in the new testament dreams,visions and visitations are very uncommon? Why is it by Acts 19 it is the last mention of when the gospel is proclaimed that unknown languages are associated with it,or dreams and visions? Yet during that time Paul goes to Macedonia,Greece,back to Macedonia,Philippi, Troas,Assos, Chios,Mitylene, Samos,Miletus , Kos, Rhodes,Tyre,Ptolemais,Caeserea,Jerusalem,back to Caeserea,(Which by the way he was in for two years) then on to Sidon,Myra,Fair Havens,Malta (where he was for three months)Syracus,Rhegium,Rhegium,Puteoli,then to Rome. All over a period of over seven years,yet Luke never again says the believers received the gift of unknown languages. If that is an important part why does Luke leave it out?Why does Luke leave out the dreams and visions? Something to ponder.

 

[SarahM777]

Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

That's not what I said I said where did God NOT EXPLAIN IT. It was explained but not understood,big difference. Daniel did not understand it because it was future events.

Go back to chapter 10 which is the beginning of it

Daniel 10

[SUP]10 [/SUP]A hand touched me and set me trembling on my hands and knees.[SUP]11 [/SUP]He said, “Daniel, you who are highly esteemed, consider carefully the words I am about to speak to you, and stand up, for I have now been sent to you.” And when he said this to me, I stood up trembling.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Then he continued, “Do not be afraid, Daniel. Since the first day that you set your mind to gain understanding and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to them. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia. [SUP]14[/SUP]Now I have come to explain to you what will happen to your people in the future,for the vision concerns a time yet to come.”

Daniel is very clear that the vision was explained to him.

 

[jinx]

im not trying to "fool" anyone!!!! you really leave me with a bad taste in my mouth....just drop the flippen subject!

there is always someone that is trying to start a little fight. trust me.

 

[zone]

...I will just have to keep wondering what you would ever do if you SAW a demon, because they CAN manifest in the natural. IF you did see one, would you even know what it was? What would you do??

i have seen demons maggie.
wanna know what i did?

Lord Jesus! JESUS HELP!

presto...gone.

should i have gone all MMA with them?
called a meeting and chased them around and stuff?

yawn.

 

[Cobus]

SarahM, many people laid out dreams and visions in the Bible. Joseph and Pharaoh, the butler and the baker etc, Daniel and even bad spirits also shown stuff in dreams, concerning the future... God can even give the same vision and dreams to other people. If my visions REVEAL the Word of God, then who did that for me? Who can reveal scripture in dreams, visions, and even in the breaking and sharing of bread. Jesus revealed scripture even before it was written. God showed so many things to so many people. Stephan SAW GOD AND JESUS WHEN HE LOOKED INTO HEAVEN.

Now one question... Do you think God can SHOW YOU GOD AND JESUS STANDING IN HEAVEN, WHILE YOU ARE BEING STONED? Do you think God can take me to third heaven and Paradise? Do you think God can also take me places while I sit with people in my house, like He did with Ezekiel? Did God really stop doing things HE WANTS TOO, just because the Word was written, and are now finished?

You see people, this is the problem, we STOPPED BELIEVEING, that is the only reason things of God does not happen. God said.... BLESED ARE THE PURE AT HEART FOR THEY SHALL SEE GOD... Stephen DID, so can you.

1 Cor 12... Some may speak in tongues but others might interpret. And Sarah, I did say to the Lord I am not even worthy to pray to Him. U also asked Him many times to NOT visit me, for I will die in His presence. I also claim to be STILL sinner, and only His Word is more than enough to show me hw I am sinner.

But is it God's will that I has to remain this DIRTY UNWORTHY AND FOUL, or is this HIS WIll...
1 John 4:17.... Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
Hebrews 10:19 and 20... Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Looks like we even have a better deal on the table than what the prophets of the old Testament had... Like Isiah, and even though Isiah said that about himself, what did God say about Isiah and th other prohets...

I will call myself what God tells me to call myself, and at teh end it is the WITNESS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, that will count...IF HE WITNESS WITH MY SPIRIT THAT I AM A CILD OF GOD, not even ISIAH has a opinion! Let alone the DEVIL or his children.

 

[zone]

I am glad you have not seen what I have described I grew up in the Lutheran church, misery synod.( AKA: God's Frozen Chosen). I never heard about a miracle, my dad was the pastor and he often prayed for the sick but never saw one miraculously get healed. I never heard about casting a demon out. All I heard was a scripture read and then a sermon on that passage. A few baptisms, a few weddings and many pot lucks, besides that, not much happened there.

arg....

right....people staying faithful throughout their lives ("frozen chosen") and not running around looking for demons in everything that moves or holding healing crusades (let's see the PROOF) = not much happened there

when you come to end of all the charismania - if you ever do, i'm sure LCMS will still be there for you.
with the sermons and stuff you took for granted.

....


you said: "Paul does say gifts will cease but never mentions when. It is just an assertion one believes."

what's the assertion? that he said they would cease?
or that they did?

he didn't say when?

go look again.

of course...since you left the mature church looking for partial things, i reckon that's what you have.

 

[SarahM777]

SarahM, many people laid out dreams and visions in the Bible. Joseph and Pharaoh, the butler and the baker etc, Daniel and even bad spirits also shown stuff in dreams, concerning the future... God can even give the same vision and dreams to other people. If my visions REVEAL the Word of God, then who did that for me? Who can reveal scripture in dreams, visions, and even in the breaking and sharing of bread. Jesus revealed scripture even before it was written. God showed so many things to so many people. Stephan SAW GOD AND JESUS WHEN HE LOOKED INTO HEAVEN.

Now one question... Do you think God can SHOW YOU GOD AND JESUS STANDING IN HEAVEN, WHILE YOU ARE BEING STONED? Do you think God can take me to third heaven and Paradise? Do you think God can also take me places while I sit with people in my house, like He did with Ezekiel? Did God really stop doing things HE WANTS TOO, just because the Word was written, and are now finished?

You see people, this is the problem, we STOPPED BELIEVEING, that is the only reason things of God does not happen. God said.... BLESED ARE THE PURE AT HEART FOR THEY SHALL SEE GOD... Stephen DID, so can you.

1 Cor 12... Some may speak in tongues but others might interpret. And Sarah, I did say to the Lord I am not even worthy to pray to Him. U also asked Him many times to NOT visit me, for I will die in His presence. I also claim to be STILL sinner, and only His Word is more than enough to show me hw I am sinner.

But is it God's will that I has to remain this DIRTY UNWORTHY AND FOUL, or is this HIS WIll...
1 John 4:17.... Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
Hebrews 10:19 and 20... Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Looks like we even have a better deal on the table than what the prophets of the old Testament had... Like Isiah, and even though Isiah said that about himself, what did God say about Isiah and th other prohets...

I will call myself what God tells me to call myself, and at teh end it is the WITNESS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, that will count...IF HE WITNESS WITH MY SPIRIT THAT I AM A CILD OF GOD, not even ISIAH has a opinion! Let alone the DEVIL or his children.

Where did I say God couldn't or doesn't? I just see people trying to ascribe dreams to God when often God is not the one who gave them the dream in the first place. Second where in the Bible did a believer need someone else to interpret the dream or vision? Either God is very clear in those dreams or they received the understanding of the dream or vision,in Daniels case it did take prayer and fasting. But no where can one find that God not tell them what it meant.

And Cobus,one question for you,if you are not born again to begin with,how would you have any true understanding of what the Holy Spirit is trying to reveal to us when you don't even have the Holy Spirit to begin with? The Holy Spirit is given to those who believe and He is the one that leads us into all truth? How would you know the whole truth if you don't have the Holy Spirit to begin with?

 

[SarahM777]

Plus add to that only 3 of the apostles even record them. Only John,Peter and Paul and they only record 1 each. Even in the Bible they were never common everyday happenings. They are rarely recorded in Acts,yet somehow they are now uber common. How is that? If they were rare with the apostles how is it now they are so much more common and some are even having so many of them now?

 

[4enlightment]

Please can someone explain this,why I have not heard one so called prophet of God or so called dream interpreter ever say things like this,Woe is me I am a man of unclean lips from a people of unclean lips,I have come undone,Lord please do not reveal any more of your glory for if you do I am a dead man,I fainted away as a dead man. Why is that,can someone explain that? Why do we not hear them speak that way?

I guess that he's stating that if God keep on unveiling more of Himself, and which he isn't deserving; which will show how much power that God has; and since this person is a sinner just make him more unjust, for there's someone that is perfect and which make him to be put to shame. But this person was raised among sinners that he didn;t know that there can be someone that is good.